If I can give you one piece of advice

[ShamanRemixed]

I want this to be a discussion thread...completely open to any ideas that anyone has, because mine is so outrageous.

If I have one piece ofadvice to give you...comming froma drug user who as done literaly everything...never trip.

I realized today that I just cannot connect with normal people anymore; its just like I am on a different level than them. On this level, I scare myself sometimes...I know the very reasons that they act the way they do...I know why they are who they are...who do you say to someone who you know why they have the personality that they do?

My second big psychedelic problem is that psychedelics kill your personality.I know this for a fact, I am so fucking logical now that I don'thave that 'spark' that drives creativity. Some people say that psychedelics drive your creative self...I really want to know how thats possible...it did the exact opposite for me.

What would you do it you know why everything is the way it is? It takes all that is interesting out of life and leaves you with a simple, basic plan for the next 50 years...how is that life? How does understanding everything make life interesting? Or at least somewhat worth experiencing?

Now I know this is a little strange, but I need to tell someone about this...its been botheirng me for a while...but I hope that someone knows what I'm talking about....

 

[sOn]

i agree with the first part alot. you just CANT connect with normal people very well or atleast i cant. its like they are uneducated but they think they know it all. like in class one day the teacher told us that ecstassy kills the nerves in your spine. what proof does he have? none. just feeding the youth false information just like the police, parents, teachers and everybody else.

 

[ShamanRemixed]

I don't mean on the level of logic...I already am well aware how bad MDXX is for your seritonergic neurons...that I'm not debating since I know firsthand that it does make you 'E-tarded' I've been there already, and yes My mind was mush, but you do recover from that...

 

[sOn]

i dont mean logic either. its like they dont understand you or vice verca. i cant cary on a conversation with them for very long cause i forget what we are talking about.

and i just used ecstassy as a example since they talked about it today in school

 

[blacklabel]

Yeah that sounds right. Well only for some people really.. but an interesting point. But it's not like you physically couldn't connect with someone, just the trips do so much in your mind you think you can't.

 

[sOn]

sad just thinking about it. one of these days i wont care and i will "connect"

 

[trippinspirals]

long response, rambling, my thoughts

I dont really intend to argue, more just say

think about the experience that tripping is, and maybe other people are having different first times and different trips than me, but

my frist time tripping was over a year ago and I have always looked at the world differently afterwards, and it is up there with the most profound and life changing experiences I have had. Is it always like this, no.

I have always been incredibly cynical of organized religion ever since I was able to think on my own, and I must say that first shroom trip was the closest thing to a religious experience I have ever had. ok, enough rambling about how good my first trip was

I hear what you are saying about talking to people who havent ever tripped, because in a way I view these people as virgins as they have never done something that I find as life changing or more than any other life experiences. And without having actually been there or done it, you really dont know, in fact you have no idea what its like. (Well come to think of it each person probably has such a different tripping experience that you cant even fully relate to others who have tripped) Remember your sort of image of someone tripping and rainbows everywhere and crazy shit, absolutely nothing like really being immersed in that moment when you are really tripping.

explaining what it really feels like is to me like telling what music sounds like to a def man. nothing to compare it to, really no way to capture it in words.

its cool though, its not for some people, and others arent ready to have that kind of experience, it would break them mentally

About how you said you know why people act the way they do and that makes it hard for you to relate to them or talk with them. I get very different experiences from psychs. Often I am overwhelmed with the feeling of realizing how little I am, or how little I know of the world. Although this sounds negative, it fills me with a sort of Socratic pleasure, as his quote goes about how he is intelligent because he realizes how little he really knows, while others just THINK they know a lot. The world is full of amazing and complicated subjects, and the different ways you can look at the world, a social group, a person, a political campaign, an economy, the global economy, sports, art, performing arts, visual art, music jesus it keeps going. I know so little, but the world is filled with wonderfully complicated things that you can seek out and try to better understand.

To say I know why someone acts a certain way is quite presumptuous. The amount of depth to a person is incredible, and I believe that it is out of reach to even fully understand your self, much less someone else.

heh, congrats to anyone who read all this I got on tangents

anyway, if anyone ever doubts that I have tripped I'll show them this post, because no non tripper would ever think about these kinds of things which is why I guess I do partially agree with you that it is hard to relate to those who havent tripped

to give the advice to people never to trip.....that I would never do

 

[sOn]

explaining what it really feels like is to me like telling someone what music sounds like to a def man. nothing to compare it to, really no way to capture it in words.

About how you said you know why people act the way they do and that makes it hard for you to relate to them or talk with them. I get very different experiences from psychs. Often I am overwhelmed with the feeling of realizing how little I am, or how little I know of the world. Although this sounds negative, it fills me with a sort of Socratic pleasure, as his quote goes about how he is intelligent because he realizes how little he really knows, while others just THINK they know a lot. The world is full of amazing and complicated subjects, and the different ways you can look at the world, a social group, a political campaign, an economy, the global economy, jesus it keeps going. I know so little, but the world is filled with wonderfully complicated things that you can seek out and try to better understand.

word

especially where you said "while others just THINK they know a lot" so true people at school who will probably never touch any substance thinks they know alot about it cause they get good grades. they make me so mad cause they are so wrong. but i keep my mouth shut so no one thinks i am a"drugie".

 

[HardcoreDancer]

especially where you said "while others just THINK they know a lot" so true people at school who will probably never touch any substance thinks they know alot about it cause they get good grades. they make me so mad cause they are so wrong. but i keep my mouth shut so no one thinks i am a"drugie".

haha yeh i fkn hate that so much... u wanna scream at em the truth about a drug and its effects, but u hav to restrain yourself cauz u cant let them know uv done that shit

 

[pinwheel]

I preach freedom. I'm free and open about my drug use (pot, since that's the only illegal I do right now) but I'm free and open. And I have no problem with connecting with people who have yet to use psychedelics. More importantly, there is virtually no way for me to tell who has used psychedelics and who hasn't.
Love,
pinwheel

 

[sOn]

you dont understand. where i use to live i was open to anyone about my drug use. teachers, cops,friends, anyone. but now i have to keep this quiet cause everyone is a snitch here and they are just weird about it

 

[trippinspirals]

you dont understand. where i use to live i was open to anyone about my drug use. teachers, cops,friends, anyone. but now i have to keep this quiet cause everyone is a snitch here and they are just weird about it

you have to be careful, because some people WILL judge you

unfortunately we live in that kind of society, drugs are the scourge of society, they courrupt kids, make people sell their families for a fix, and promote terrorism *sigh*

 

[sOn]

exactly i wish i knew what to do it pisses me off so bad

 

[Raas]

Great topic, SR.. i'm really interested in what you said about that spark of creativity going...

I have to say now that i've done drugs i feel pretty lifeless, i know what my brains capable of... i know what my imagination can do, i know what the maximum happiness of E can induce... the ultimate rush crack brings, and the bliss of H...

it's like there's nothing left now. Life itself and it's petty problems seem somewhat surreal and unimportant..

I just can't figure out if i've learnt something, or being fooled into thinking something.

 

[poisoned candy]

i tend to feel that people who haven't tripped are incredibly narrow minded and shallow in their thoughts

not only with regards to drugs, but concerning pretty much anything

 

[trippinspirals]

Great topic, SR.. i'm really interested in what you said about that spark of creativity going...

I have to say now that i've done drugs i feel pretty lifeless, i know what my brains capable of... i know what my imagination can do, i know what the maximum happiness of E can induce... the ultimate rush crack brings, and the bliss of H...

it's like there's nothing left now. Life itself and it's petty problems seem somewhat surreal and unimportant..

I just can't figure out if i've learnt something, or being fooled into thinking something.

I wont ever argue about using H, coke, E and drugs like not taking away your personality, because those drugs lead to compulsive use, addiction, and all in all make living a substance free life seem pretty devoid of pleasure. Regular pot use definitly killed my personality, I just layed around stoned all the time, and it was fun, but it killed my social skills and made me a relative loner.

Arguing that mushrooms or LSD do this is another story. It is pretty rare for anyone to become emotionally addicted to these kinds of psychs. When I come down off of one of these I feel like I have been through a war, exhausted, and with NO desire in the world of redosing anytime soon.

I find these drugs to enrich one's personality instead of taking it away, with the obvious exception to be those who have pre-existing mental conditions or somehow manage repetitive (even daily) use.

 

[sOn]

I wont ever argue about using H, coke, E and drugs like not taking away your personality, because those drugs lead to compulsive use, addiction, and all in all make living a substance free life seem pretty devoid of pleasure. Regular pot use definitly killed my personality, I just layed around stoned all the time, and it was fun, but it killed my social skills and made me a relative loner.

Arguing that mushrooms or LSD do this is another story. It is pretty rare for anyone to become emotionally addicted to these kinds of psychs. When I come down off of one of these I feel like I have been through a war, exhausted, and with NO desire in the world of redosing anytime soon.

I find these drugs to enrich one's personality instead of taking it away, with the obvious exception to be those who have pre-existing mental conditions or somehow manage repetitive (even daily) use.

yea shrooms just make me feel weak

but yea the drug i only use now is pot. the only people i hang around smoke pot though so its all good

 

[wytetyger]

I will agree with you in that I have changed and will never be the same. I think in some ways I am stronger and in some ways weaker. To explain, stronger in that nothing really phases me like it used to. When bad things happen to me, I am sad but I dont think its the end of the world, because I feel like I have been through the worst part of my life and came back okay. That makes me a survivor and the little things are just well little things to me. But Im weaker in that I can no longer be a "recreational" user like maybe someone else. Thats a weakness, right? Not being able to do a little and stop. I notice people saying "smile a little". I used to smile a lot more, before I got my "mental cherry popped". Would I change what I did? Probably not. I just wish sometimes there was a toggle switch so I could use my before and after person to make decisions sometimes. Maybe Im rambling, wouldnt be the first time. Good thread idea though.

Much Love

Lala

"Nothing exceeds like excess." ~Scarface

 

[Nikotin_XS]

I want this to be a discussion thread...completely open to any ideas that anyone has, because mine is so outrageous.

If I have one piece ofadvice to give you...comming froma drug user who as done literaly everything...never trip.

I realized today that I just cannot connect with normal people anymore; its just like I am on a different level than them. On this level, I scare myself sometimes...I know the very reasons that they act the way they do...I know why they are who they are...who do you say to someone who you know why they have the personality that they do?

My second big psychedelic problem is that psychedelics kill your personality.I know this for a fact, I am so fucking logical now that I don'thave that 'spark' that drives creativity. Some people say that psychedelics drive your creative self...I really want to know how thats possible...it did the exact opposite for me.

What would you do it you know why everything is the way it is? It takes all that is interesting out of life and leaves you with a simple, basic plan for the next 50 years...how is that life? How does understanding everything make life interesting? Or at least somewhat worth experiencing?

Now I know this is a little strange, but I need to tell someone about this...its been botheirng me for a while...but I hope that someone knows what I'm talking about....

I sure know what you are talking about, and I sincerely wish I didn't.

Any solutions?

 

[LivinginBPM]

some solutions

been there too...

Here's what worked for me. First you have to clean up, exercise, and eat well. Most importantly, you have to sleep regularly (like at least 7 hrs a night, and on a schedule)

In terms of MDXX e-tardedness, you need to start feeling quick again. I like wordgames, like text twist on Yahoo! games. It's a nice start.

But you seem more concerned about creativity than sharpness. Best cure for that is books, art and music that makes you think. Try reading "The Unbearable Lightness of Being," by Milan Kundera. If that doesn't get the juices flowing, go to an art museum, or take up photography.

Good luck