Ibogaine- 3mg- First time. Trying to kick opiates forever.

[shreddersteve]

OK. This is my first post here ever but I have been reading this forum for years. I initially started using opiates in 2002 when I had an online supplier that would get me copious amounts of codeine. They were shut down in 2004 so I had to move onto doing Oxy. Was doing about 180mg of oxy a day and decided it was ruining my life so I tried to quit. Well about 2 days into SEVERE withdrawals I checked myself into treatment and they put me on Suboxone. At the time this saved my life because I was able to keep my job and still function as a normal human being. I stayed on Suboxone maintenance for 5 years and at this point I realized the doc had a revolving door of suboxone addicts and I was one of them. I tried quitting subs but found I couldn't function at work or sleep at all. I heard about Ibogaine and I figured I'd give it a shot.

I tapered subs down to .25mg every other day and then went to straight kratom for a week. After 3 days off the kratom I was in full withdrawal. I took 500mg @ 6pm. Very odd feelings. Kind of like I'm scared or an ominous event is about to take place. By 7pm my ears were buzzing. It sounded like a bumble bee was hovering just an inch from each ear. I took the other 2.5gr and lied down in bed. By 8pm I was fully tripping HARD. I was having extreme visual hallucinations like I have never seen before. I felt like I was being sucked down through my bed, through the floor, through the earth. I saw myself dancing around a fire with an African tribe. A young African native boy pointed to the sky and a strange contraption was being carried by fairies towards me. It had banner above it that read "Love can cure anything". I then saw a group of Asian doctors praying over a little girl in the hospital. These types of hallucinations went on for some time. The next thing I remember I was back in my room. 3 of the fairies from before were in my bedroom hovering around. They could sense that I was afraid and they let me know they were there to help. The had very strange instruments that they inserted into my brain and were doing something to try to help my brain heal. My girlfriend was there the entire time to help me and comfort me.


After that came the introspective part. That's a bit too personal to go into much detail about but I will say it was like a GIANT weight was lifted from my shoulders. During the experience I was sick. Very very nauseous and I was in full withdrawal, but at around 10am the following morning I felt 100% better. No withdrawals, no sickness, still tripping, but not as hard. It's Monday and I can still feel the Ibogaine, but I went to work and functioned just fine. I have a much more positive outlook. I have no cravings for anything and I feel like my brain is different. I'll post here ever so often to report on my withdrawals, but as of now. Doing better than I ever have. The last thing I had was some Kratom last Wednesday.

For anyone considering ibogaine. YOU WILL NEED A TRIP SITTER. I can't stress this enough. Ibogaine is extremely powerful. It is extremely emotional and having my girlfriend there helped me 100000%. I have done every other hallucinogen one can imagine (DMT, shrooms, mescaline, LSD) IMO this is not like those drugs.

 

[Crashing]

This is a really great report on ibogaine, although i really wish you were more comfortable with embellishing on the introspective part a bit more as i'm sure many are interested to read the details. Regardless, ibogaine seems to be a very useful tool for psycho-theraphy and it is something i hope to experience one day. I actually had an experience with quitting opiates and using LSD in the withdrawal phase, but as you said LSD isn't ibogaine.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Maybe you need a trip sitter, but I think 'follow up care' is even more important. If I had my ibogaine trip, then would have had to go back to work, or the same life that led me to opiates in the first place...I don't see how I would be where I am at today. If you allow drug addiction to overtake your life and use ibogaine to return....do not rush the return process. Proper 'after care' makes for a ibogaine trip that sticks.

 

[Gordon]

I never met 1 long term suboxone user ever claim Ibogaine helped them. Protocol is to stop suboxone for 3 months and longer (with short acting opiates) before doing the Ibogaine.

Also the real problem or PAWS start when Ibogaine wears off, so many suboxone and methadone users have claimed this, so right now I would be very skeptical of OP or of the fact Ibogaine is still in the system. It's a good reason why any provider worth his/her salt would not detox patients straight from suboxone.

 

[Lady Codone]

Wow, thanks for your report! Not nearly enough ibogaine trip reports on here. Did you take it in a hospital/medical setting or on your own? There have been a few deaths with this stuff, so people probably shouldn't attempt it without medical supervision.

Hope it sticks for you!

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Wow, thanks for your report! Not nearly enough ibogaine trip reports on here. Did you take it in a hospital/medical setting or on your own? There have been a few deaths with this stuff, so people probably shouldn't attempt it without medical supervision.

Hope it sticks for you!

In the interest of fair press, there have been hundreds of thousands of iboga users and less than a handful of deaths. Of the three or four deaths I can readily find out about, one was associated with a bad heart (hence the need for EKG before hand) and the other two were folks who used other drugs (and hid it from the practitioner) while undergoing iboga therapy.

But to echo my post above, some form of follow up care is WAY more important (if you survive the iboga therapy) than many here realize because if you go back to doing things the same way you did before....you will likely go back to doing things they way you did before.

 

[kytnism]

can you cite sources MGS?

until ibogaine therapy is deemed a credible and therapeutic psychological source for individuals suffering from addiction; regardless of psychedelic and personal life/drug experience; id never recommend it as a healing tool to cure long term addiction.

yes, its useful in some cases; and in others; has proven to be more dangerous to those heavily addicted to drugs, resulting in death.

while its still in its experimental phases with no real conclusive evidence of being beneficial or "life changing" to long term addicts; ill remain a curious and hopeful fence sitter in its benefits of addiction recovery.

...kytnism...

 

[cdin]

i can cite a source right now : my personal experience. The things the other posters were saying earlier about after care is all extremely true. The thing no one seems to get is that ibogaine is one thing - an addiction interrupter - pure and simple. It WILL give you a window to step away from opiates. some seem to have used it for other things, but i can only speak about its effects on the opiate withdrawal process, which somehow it manages to totally circumvent, although you must still experience the sometimes uncomfortable effects of the drug itself. The way this plays out is like this : if you WANT to be off dope, you can do ibo and walk away : I hated being a junky, and only found myself there through a long and complicated set of circumstances. I love being a cigarette smoker. I took ibo and dropped dope like the bad habit it is, a week later i was smoking a pack a day again. I even tried it again for nicotine and the plant itself was like "you like smoking, but it IS totally gonna kill you" ive now compromised to nicorette and occasional cigs. The plant has done wonders for me, you simply have to realize it's true utility. O yeah, point being that if you LOVE dope, i would see very little to stop you from returning. if however, you acquired an opiate habit because of hospitalization or something else of that nature, it could be miraculous.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I'd never want you to recommend it either if you have never tried it.

I admit....find it very irritating how people will give advise on this plant and yet they know nothing about it. You want a source of information...how about Google? There are so many papers, literature, etc (using rats, mice and humans) to prove ibogaine efficiency in killing opiate addiction that asking me for a source is like asking for a source that says the sky is blue. It all sounds too good to be true until you read a little and understand how it repairs broken brains.

It is very different from other psychedelics in that that regard.

can you cite sources MGS?


yes, its useful in some cases; and in others; has proven to be more dangerous to those heavily addicted to drugs, resulting in death.

Where is your source? There are three or four cases I can readily find where ibogaine is associated with a death (it has never been shown to be the sole cause) and LITERALLY THOUSANDS cases and testimonials from within the US and outside the US where it has not caused death or any ill effects; its efficiency in interrupting addiction is not up for question anymore...except by laypeople that have never researched the topic. There is no longer any debate that I am aware of. Ibogaine researchers are no longer trying to find out if ibogaine works...it does.

 

[kytnism]

thankyou cdin for sharing your personal account of experience with ibogaine treatment. it was both enlightening and informative.

MGS; my query was genuine and in hope of you having knowledge to share that i (and perhaps others) are otherwise unaware about.

id love to review the sources you speak of and be better informed of the positives of ibogaine therapy.

...kytnism...

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I Hear you...I don't mean to be a dick...I do get defensive about iboga (clearly); I try hard to practice an idea I received on iboga...that every question or dissenting opinion is a chance for me to re-evaluate my position, defend my position, or admit I was wrong. Somedays I do that better than others!

I view iboga as a gift from the Earth that returned life, love, light, etc to me....and only two months after my ibogaine experience I still am making new realizations and epiphanies about my life...as far as I am concerned the iboga never wore off. So forgive my defensiveness if you can....I don't think anyone who hasn't been through something similar as me could ever understand what it means to be a 'walking dead person' and then overnight experiences the gift of life being returned.

Anyway, there is so much literature on ibogaine that I wouldn't know where to begin to offer citations....especially research from the past five years.....there is just SO MUCH out there.

Personally, I have been aware of iboga since age 13 so 'my source' is years of research from numerous places (books, papers, lectures, etc). Probably the best place to start is...

http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/science.html

This link provides a good hundred or so links to journal articles, medical papers, or chapters from books (reprinted with permission). That should get you started.

If you want to read about the safety of ibogaine therapy (including information on the known deaths associated with ibogaine) then this is a good one...

The Manual for Ibogaine Therapy - Second Revision



Edit: Here is some information on iboga related deaths...some of which are not easily found with a search engine....a few here which I had not previously heard about. Still, the number of deaths associated with iboga is literally a fraction of the deaths associated with alcohol and illegal drug over-dosages.

Ibogaine/iboga (all known treatment episodes [TEs] 1989-2006): 11 fatalities in 3,414 TEs (1 ibogaine-related death/427 TEs)1

http://www.myeboga.org/fatalities.html

Edit 2: Sorry OP to go so off-topic in your thread, maybe a mod will send a copy of this to a new ibogaine pharmacology thread.

If you can wrap your head around some of this....it is amazing

http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/5629307.html

 

[Gordon]

There are too many people relapsing after Iboga and going through depression and PAWS after Iboga for any sane minded to assume it works. Its more like a placeboo if anything...Sometimes when people are high on something albeit Iboga or whatever they report it around boards, but when it wears off they are nowhere to be seen.

Its illegal in many civilized countries and probably for very good reasons.

There are also too many deaths reported from Iboga where people were healthy and young yet still died, they had no pre-existing health issues shown in EKGs, Liver panels etc. There is also a chance of brain damage as more and more people are feeling the affects of Iboga mentally several months to years down the line. Problems like this put people off.

It may take away some withdrawal from the likes of heroin but other long acting substances it does not do anything according to hundreds of experiences. People still suffer PAWS which is the main issue with long acting opiates.

I never met anybody to stay clean post Iboga.

 

[Gordon]

The difference between deaths by Iboga and other substances is that you do not know if your going to come out alive by taking Iboga, with other meds you more or less know the affects and outcome i.e take too much/OD. You do not want to go into something knowing you can die, its the fear aspect..Least with other meds you can even have a bad heart yet get away with it, with Iboga you can be 100% health according to many health tests and still die..

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Re: relapsing


Iboga interrupts physical addiction...stops it cold. But it cannot control a mind like a dog on a leash. No amount of ibogaine will keep someone from going back to opiates if that is what they choose to do. Nobody has ever said differently.

Beyond that, it is obvious you have never actually read anything about ibogaine from a journal, or peer reviewed paper, like the many links I posted. You are obviously not aware that there is 20 years of extensive animal study on ibogaine...opiate dependent rats and mice become non-opiate dependent overnight. If you proceed to argue that the rats are placebo effect as well...then your opinion is as dismissible as a fart.

Seriously, read the links...iboga is not a placebo. It's addiction interrupting properties have been studied in the lab on animals, and outside the lab (and mostly outside the US) on people, since the mid 80s. To say it doesn't work is to simply ignore the 100s of papers I already posted links to....and the wealth of information verified by the scientific method. You have heard of science, right.

Anyway, there are around a dozen confirmed deaths associated with iboga out of hundreds of thousands of users. In Gabon alone, an estimated 300,000 people are Bwiti and consume iboga on a regular basis.

>There are also too many deaths reported
>from Iboga where people were healthy and young yet still died,

How about you come up with a link to show that the 11 deaths associated with iboga are anything other than a fluke and rare. I already posted an extensive paper on iboga deaths...and you are simply fabricating your facts...or you hallucinate words when you read.

 

[Solipsis]

Mescaline is also visionary and healing, how different is iboga from that? By that I don't mean that I think they are the same but I am interested to hear what makes iboga unlike all those others especially those few others that are deemed medicine for the soul as well.

(and by the way the TT is supposed to say 3 grams )

About the deaths, isn't that from people who are still withdrawing who go through an exhausting w/d trip experience 'too fast' ? Opioid withdrawals couldn't kill a person normally as I understand it, but how dangerous is fast opioid withdrawal (not sure if you can do that with an antagonist like naltrexone or naloxone or what are they called for example ?)
With alcohol withdrawal it is more understandable maybe.

And yes I would like to hear at least some vague idea about a cause of death before I start taking those reports seriously. It isn't very useful if they stay on rumor status.

To be honest I am interested in iboga(ine), not sure how warranted it is for me at this moment but I feel like my body, mind and soul are in severe imbalance giving me problems that are hard to live with, even if I can stay away from drugs that I took as self-medication this is horrible.

Drugs like kambo and iboga obviously interest me because they may help with at least some of that balance. Kambo of course being much more esoteric.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Before I get into a long winded response....are you asking if mescaline has the addiction interpution properties of iboga(ine)...in which case...no it doesn't and I have personally gone through 3 grams of mescaline hcl during that horrible summer 2011 of WD.....lovely psychedelic but it does not fix a brain damaged from a decade of steady pain killers.

Re deaths...check out the link Solipsis....it is VERY specific into the known 11 deaths from the 80s to the time of that report.

Edit: Well seems people just don't like to click on links around here! ALL of the information you seek is already in the links I posted above. I'll hold you hand though you are a great guy!

Without getting into the 'psychological' differences between iboga and mescaline....this link certainly goes a long way to explain some of the major psysiological differences between ibogaine and other "5HT2 agonist" type psychedelics. I am not a neurologist so I can read this and understand to a degree but I am hard pressed to explain it any better

http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/Glick1998.pdf

That just scatches the surface...I need to find the paper that explains (in science) how ibogaine 'burns out the part of the brain where maladaptive behaviors formed in response to trauma are stored" then walks the user through those same past life events allowing the user to 'take 2' in their reaction and outlook to the trauma so second time around, they don't fall intio drugs, PTSD, etc, etc. FUCKING amazing stuff.