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Benzos I want to gauge my drug use - what dangers should I be aware of?

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CalebScott

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Hey guys, first post :D

So I'm a casual smoker (cigarettes) and drinker (used to drink quite a lot more, but kind of left that scene). I'm currently a student and I found out that I can obtain relatively cheap dexamphetamines (dextroamphetamines) and found they really helped me concentrate when studying. I did well as hoped, and a new semester is about to begin.

I just want to put it here that I don't have a drug dealer. My mum is the connection, but she's quite worried about me falling victim to abuse. After my research and street knowledge of students exploiting these Adderall/Ritalin variants to do better, I figured what the hey. My mum is really anti-pharmaceutical, but let me none the less. So before exams I took 2-4 5mg dexamphetamine daily for ~a month with a few exceptions (sidebar: does anyone know whether taking them for exams is beneficial or not?)

I also smoke weed regularly now. I'm 23 and used it occasionally, but now it's become an everyday thing. I enjoy it. I watch movies and feel closer to my dog - it's nice. Sometimes (and this is very recently) I get quite paranoid in bed, and can really freak myself out. This has happened twice and I definitely hold back on the amount I smoke (bongs, FYI)

I'm still on break and got my hands on one tab of Xanax, just to try it. I try to act responsibly but I figure again: no dealer, no way of finding a dealer - why not? I took half an A2 tablet (sidebar: A2 means Alprazolam/2mg correct?) about 3 hours ago and am yet to feel a huge effect. From what I was told it should have just sent me to sleep by now, how long until it should come into affect?

I'm still awake and realised in the last week I've drank, smoked, used dex recreationally and now Xanax a few hours before I go to bed.

Should I be concerned? Am I walking a slippery slope? I draw the line on heroin, but the line I used to draw on methamphetamines seems to be blurring. I just want to talk openly with people who have experience.

The above has been like a purge of drug questions and other tangents so thanks for reading, and it's surprising I never thought of doing this before.

Cheers
 
Welcome.

I think you should really consider your relationship to different chemicals and the reasons why you are introducing them to your life. Unless you are an ADHD-patient, using stimulants to study is really bad idea and can lead to some serious problems. Same goes to Xanax if you start popping them too often, besides there are propably better and safer sleep aids if you feel like you need some.

Personally I am against weed, especially daily use of it. It is somewhat alarming if you then need a benzo to calm yourself down due to smoking. Weed is not for everyone, and definitely not for me either as I learned it the hard way too.

I think you may have some issues that you are trying to cure? But those substances listed definitely will make everything worse in the long run.
 
Thanks for that. I've heard many varied opinions on stimulant study aids, cheers for your input.

I think the main reason I'm not overly concerned at the moment is because I don't have a steady supply. Everything I take is supplied or conferred with by my mother (weed included)

I haven't taken a benzo to calm me down from the weed, and will not use them in conjunction. This is the first time I've taken it, just a little fun before I go back to study. I know taking the dex and a Xanax to sleep is a really, really bad idea and will steer clear of that.

"I think you may have some issues you are trying to cure?" I'm not sold on that at the moment (lol, first sign of a problem?) I use dex to gain an edge (or even up the playing field from what I've heard) on my study. I'm entering my final year and the units after this semester are less of a lecture/tutorial/learn and regurgitate system and more of a technical/thesis writing/year-long project type, in which I think stimulant abuse wouldn't be too much of a bonus. And the results last semester have really showed. I can sit and retain things studying for full days. There's also the possibility I have ADD, right?

If I can kind of branch off here and ask whether anyone with experience using stimulants to study know whether taking them during an exam is detrimental or beneficial?

Am I really naive to think I have this under control?
 
andew said:
You are so brave to share your own experiences. I have been using drugs for quite a long time. Like herbal incense. I'm feelig like get addicted on it. I wanna take a stronger kind. What do you think the most popular herbal smoke?
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I've tried that synthetic weed before and found it to be bogus. Fucked with my head more than normal and then was completely over in like 20 minutes.
 
I guess you haven't been tested for ADD/ADHD? Maybe you should consider getting examined. Of course it is very different if you use stimulants to be able to concentrate better (if that is the main problem) than using them to have more energy in general and get things done. The latter road could be.. rocky.

Personally I have been using benzos sometimes in tight exams in university. It comes from the nature of the exams: you have a certain limited time in which you have to be able to figure out certain things. Benzo's do suppress coginition but still it has given me benefit because of the lack of panicking and confusion in the situation of a tough exam. I have been considering stimulants for studying also, but after research and knowing my personality decided to just forget it.

I can tell you that you're not too secured if you're relying on that you don't have a supply of whatever you want to use. First comes the want and the need and after that you will find the supply. And it is too easy really for those kind of substances..
 
#buffoon. cannabis is not physically addictive, however there are all kinds of psychological dependencies that ultimately will affect psycho-somatic processes if dependence is incurred.
 
...fail. your good mum is your dopeman. enter the delusion of managability in your drug addled life. if you need to come to a drug forum for "unbiased opinion" you're most likely further under than you even realize. Chemical dependence is subtle and insidious, and generally by the time you are inquiring about others' opinion of your chemical consumption you're already in a place where control is not an option. perhaps you're an anomaly; doubt it. based on your dear ol' mums consumption and distribution of a multitude of chemicals to you, and her delusion giving her child drugs is OK or some sort of harm reduction measure, screams that she may have her own issues. So you've got the hereditary predisposition, plus your environs are so suited that stims' make you study better, marijuana comsumption has escalated, you don't feel 1mg of alprazolam having absolute benzo naivitee... sounds like your an apt candidate to become a souless gear head, or less hyperbolic, not realize your true potential. I'd say have at it though, because nobody via the interweb will be able to convince you to stop anyway. ENJOY. and feel free to mail me some pharmas over the pond if you feel moved by the altruistic spirit to do so.
-lm
 
lilmizer said:
cannabis is not physically addictive, however there are all kinds of psychological dependencies that ultimately will affect psycho-somatic processes if dependence is incurred.
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I was psychologically dependent on weed for 13 years.
I don't smoke anymore, but it wasn't easy to stop.
Just want the OP to be aware of how "sneeky" weed could be for some people.

Edit : Psychological dependence can be far more difficult to overcome than physical dependence.
 
Wow thanks so much for the responses guys. The stimulants definitely help or boost rather my concentration; I don't really notice extra energy, just major attention and deeper understanding.

lilmizer's post scared me to be honest. I do take a lot of drugs these days, how do I address this? Maybe taking this one Xanax has pushed me over the edge or what's acceptable. Are my justifications so lame though? There's an entire marijuana culture and community available online. I take stimulants to try to further my future career, a bachelor of engineering at a pretty good uni. And it's hard. I want to pass this course and have a good qualification, and the hard part's almost over.

So back to gauging my drug use, how am I classified. I'll lay it out:

  • About 6 standard drinks a week, and usually concentrated (I don't drink most days)
  • 2 packs of cigarettes a week
  • Within the last two months ~daily marijuana use (around 3 cones), before that, maybe 10 times total.
  • I took 10-20mg of dexampthetamine over a course of a month, and have also used them recreationally ~10 times.
  • One Xanax tonight

Too much? are my justifications the justifications of a drug addict?
 
Nobody can tell if you're an addict or not, just be honest with yourself, that is all you need at that point. Just think deep for what you are using each substance. One very obvious sign for addiction for me at least is the tendency to make excuses and basically lie to myself. And of course watch for the frequencies and dosages.

Btw. I would quit the cigarettes first. It's the worst shit human kind has ever come up with.
 
Hey, what are you studying? I'm your age and also a student - sth like robotic engineering here.
Ok, first the Xanax - 1mg may blackout one or just be "feelable" by someone else. Taking into account that you use stimulants (simplifying the whole matter, they cancel each other), it may be normal.

About addiction - you're not hardcore drug user (as you probably know) ;)
But if you're gonna keep taking drugs for non-medical purposes for longer time, you may find yourself in dependency.
Look for signs of addiction. First thing that pops into my mind when I'm writing is - look at your excuses why you took the drug. If looking back you find them poor, you may want to stop.

btw, lol at your mom being the dealer ; )

cheers
 
Here's the thing: if you are concerned now about going too far, that is your brain sending you warning signals. Intellectually and emotionally you understand that you may be treading on thin ice if you continue. I don't see anything abnormal about your usage, in fact it is quite normal, for someone who is getting into drugs.

As to your mum, she won't be your supplier for long if you continue, because you will tire of her being in your business, worrying and scolding you for using more.

And here is another thing about amps and school: you are setting yourself up for not being able to manage exams and terms without amphetamines. I've seen this a number of times and it doesn't end well. Sure, you may manage to achieve high marks throughout, but what of the job that comes after school as a result of your success in the classroom? I've seen that, too, and it looks like a sad waste of talent when the pressure of your field is too much for your amp-conditioned brain to do without. Just saying.
 
Having been around the track many times, I'm going to say your biggest problem here is the cancer sticks and benzodiazepines. Quit fucking with Xanax and cut way back if not quit smoking cigarettes.

Your consumption of amphetamines is very low and not very concerning. What was concerning was you getting cocky and feeling comfortable with Methamphetamine now just because you've tried a few Dexedrine. Let me tell you sir the two may appear similar on paper, but treat it as an entirely separate class of drugs.

Trying methamphetamine is the kind of thing that will make this all fall apart.

Stick to drugs you can control. Cannabis is perfect IMO, if certain strains make you anxious then get another strain! It's not physically addictive, tolerance builds much more slowly than other drugs, and you don't have to worry about losing control of your life. If you've never tried pain killers, I would add them to where you draw the line. Opioid narcotics like Vicodin/Norco, Percocet and OxyContin, morphine etc are all something people lose control with at a shockingly consistent rate.

IMO you've already found what works for you, when respected, Dexedrine and cannabis is a relatively harmless thing to be taking regularly, however the less the better of course, both drugs have side effects.

So yeah, the Xanax raises the red flag for me, avoid all downer type drugs.
 
You say you have no way of finding a supplier, but trust me...I was able to find one after a little bit (freshman year of highschool at that)...

I tried searching for a xanax bar that contained the imprint you described and didn't find any match except a 24-hour release 1mg pill that says A22 on it...pill imprints are never determined by the name and strength of the dose unless it's a brand name pill, and usually they will have the full name on them and the dose...

all 2mg instant release xanax are rectangular, about the size of mini charleston chews, and are normally white, but there is one generic that's green and another that's yellow...brand name xanax says XANAX on one side and 2 on the other...all 2mg bars also have 3 scores on them so you can break them into 4 pieces...hence the street name "4-bars"...

And something a lot of people that don't know much about drugs, don't know...is that benzodiazepines, like xanax, cause one of the hardest dependencies to break and can cause seizures during withdrawal like barbituates, alcohol, and other GABA-ergics...

On the weed...if you didn't like it, why keep trying it? doesn't make much since...that's like a 4 year old trying broccoli over and over again because he WANTS to like it even though he hates it...

On the amps...physical addiction isn't that strong, but psychological addiction to methamphetamines was the hardest thing for me to put down and I've seen my fair share of most drug classes...

As far as meth goes...meth actually has a smoother, less edgy/tweaky high when taken in equivalent doses than amphetamine, but it's WAY more neurotoxic...also, it being so much smoother of a high is what gets people to keep smoking more and more and more because they think they can handle it...then they get to where they want to stop, but then they keep getting more and more fucked up because it doesn't all hit instantly...It also lasts longer IIRC, and when you get to where you can't sleep for 4-5 days, you start to go nuts...

Good luck to you, and I hope you don't become a poly-drug abuser as I used to be...
 
To me your drug use doesn't seem of too much concern.As long as you just keep the dexedrine just for study and your dose doesn't escalate,or you don't keep using it recreationally you should be ok.Just be careful to stick to the dexies,and NEVER try meth.Seriously,not even once as an experiment.It's a verrry slippery slope,and you'll end up fucking up your brain and possibly your life.I've dabbled in it,but have seen too many friends go downhill in an alarmingly short time on it.

IMO it's a good thing that you are aware and asking questions about your use,it shows you're being responsible.

Definitely leave the xanax alone.It's not worth it recreationally,and I ended up getting addicted to it (6-10mg) a day when I was prescribed it for panic disorder.Tolerance is very fast,withdrawal is hell,and it will completely fuck with your memory.It's just not worth it.
 
Thanks for the insights everyone. I don't have access to Xanax, it was a once off. Like I said my mum has drilled into me again and again the dangers of benzos and meth, and she really doesn't like me taking dexis for the same reasons above (Heh, I didn't think I'd be talking about my mother so much here)

It's currently monitored is what I'm saying. Monitored with warning, and by my request all drugs are doled out by her. Weird scenario but she knows the dangers of drugs and firmly, firmly believes in freedom of choice.

My family and friends have had many difficulties with drugs. Both my parents have/had heroin problems as did lots of their friends while we were growing up. The girl that lives with us now has been on meth for about 5 years now and has never successfully beaten it. My brother hasn't had heroin in months but is on Subutex and Valium, and the occasional Xanax gets doled out. So many of my old friends from school have ruined their lives already with meth with many on antidepressants now.

So I deal with this and sort of compare my use to theirs, and of course: it doesn't compare.

And with using dexis for study: yeah I get that once I pass and in the industry it's "off-the-back" of these amphetamines but I have no worries about being able to do the job. It's Chemical Engineering. The balance or differential equations I'm dealing with now won't come up in the real world. Every guest lecturer I've seen testifies to that. I'm also older and have had a bigger break from learning than most in my class. And they make me enjoy it so much more. I develop such richer understandings of really difficult concepts. So many people in my life have abused drugs to escape their responsibilities, and now I'm using them to harness a potentially better future (engineers get paid pretty well, and there's a mining boom where I live.)

It's a tough one.
 
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Just be careful man...I'm possibly going into the same line of work as you (I don't know how far you're planning on going with it, but I'm going for pharmaceutical engineer possibly if I don't decide I want to just be a pharmacist (which in my current health isn't possible lol) or go into clinical research), so I know what you mean about the course load...I'm going for either a Pharm.D., a Ph.D. in pharmacology, or both, and possibly a BBA (but that might be later on in life if I decide on pharmacy...If I go that route, I would like to be able to own my own one day)...

I'm just urging so much caution because you kinda remind me of myself when I first started smoking weed in high school...I thought that would be all I'd ever do, maybe take a vicodin or 2 every now and then...was using to enhance life as opposed to running away from it, but then when I got introduced to hallucinogens via DXM, and then tried coke a couple months later, and then mdma, shrooms, and lsd within the next three months, it started to unravel lol...I just kinda got to the point it was like, well...those were fun, how much worse can the others really be considering how bad they had taught us these were, and they were no big deal lol...

You don't just wake up one day and say, I think I wanna become a tweaker...and while I'm spending 4 days up on a teener of dope (to myself at that), I'm gonna take 150mg of roxi from days 1-2, 75mg of morphine on day 3, thrown in a couple xanax, and then finish it off by dropping a mescaline based tab which induced the worst panic attack I've had to date, and possibly serotonin syndrome...and I was opiate naive then too...

I had gotten curious about meth from trying MDMA (ecstasy if you're unfamiliar) because even way back when I was first starting my hard drug carrer I was the quite the studious psychonaut...I had found out from research that the chemical name for ecstacy (not the IUPAC obviously, but.......) was methlyenedioxymethamphetamine and wanted to see how alike the two were...found out they were two completely different ball games and I liked them both...but drugs of dependence/addiction normally tend to overcome the ones that are just for fun, and I learned that the hard way lol...

Like I said...just be careful...
 
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