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Bupe i swear this doesnt have to do with any topcis covered in "before another bupe post"

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i swear this doesnt have to do with any topcis covered in "before another bupe post"

i kno utfse. sorry 14 mega threads on subs is gonna take a while to read and swim feel this is kinda too specific to search effectivley.
Anywhoo... swim got off subs bout a year ago but has a few left over, recently been playin with iv OC n Dillies (again) and ran out at 5pm yesterday, last shot only 30mg, maybe 150mg all day (tryn to keep tolerance low) n couldnt find more, small rural town. this morn at approx 6am swim was def withdrawing but not excruciating, shot 1mg suboxone and got slight p W/ds, now swim feel better, no real withdrawals except a slightly loose bowel with cramps and light joint discomfort (but swims also stoned n down like 5/6mgs of clonazepam, have an rx n tolerance)and a hella cravings swim needs to curb in order to study for an upcoming exam, so want to taek a bit more bupe. Since swim feel better does that mean the oc is clear of receptors and swim can shoot a tad more bupe without negative side effects. i remember reading one time that if ones first dose of bupe is iv'd thats when one run into probs with the nalox, but now that they've already "battled it out" and the bupe won, so swim should be good to boost a bit more? thanks all
 
First of all, we do not use SWIM here. Just say "I".

As to your question.. if you already took bupe and did not go into PW's, you are fine. You can continue taking it. Just don't use again in between. As for the naloxone.. it is basically inactive for all intents and purposes. Bupe has a much higher binding affinity so the naloxone can not get past it, whether IV'ed or not.
 
thanks for the response
well it wasnt p wd but i did get chills and rls and sweats as soon as the plunger dropped, whats tha from, maybe just s slight bit of oc being "kicked off". and the chills are why i didnt kno if i should take more or not, just need to curb anxious cravings
ok re read my og post and ur response, cleared up thanks
 
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how long was it since that other shot of bupe? if the other one gave you slight precips, you should wait a few hours, and then should be good
 
see thats like waht happened to me a while back here. except i wasnt IV that time. i think even the slightest amount of full agonists being attached still on the receptors can cause some PWs in in dependent users. especially the higher the tolerance. even more so than tolerance, it seems the length of using opiates total effects the way the sub feels at first. at least imo. i used to never worry about PW's and never have problems. its only this year that ive ran into that demon of a thing.

yeah u didnt have FULL precipitated withdrawals tho if you didnt complain worse than that. its an utter hell when its full blown. like a really bad trip on shrooms/acid with all of the w/d symptoms on top of it. multiplied by 10 at that. its enough to drive people to suicide. i ended up in the ER when it happened to me once from IV sub too early.

MR. S is 100% correct too. ive learned alot from him. the nalaxone is basically "not there" as long as u consume the bupe at the same time. no way for it to hit your receptors because of the bupe having a higher affinity. (think i said that right ha!)

i wouldnt shoot bupe more than twice a day. ime it made me w/d just as fast as regular opiates if u were IV and doing it more than a couple times a day.

in fact i would suggest doing like i do to get the most out of your SUB. The alcohol method. look it up here on bluelight. hell ill go dig it up. HERE click this

i use about 5ml or so of vodka everytime i sublingually take my suboxone. i just place the film pieces on my tongue, being careful not to let them stick to anything but your tongue. then just pour the 5ml or so of vodka in your mouth, i pour it right down my tongue coating the sub film pieces, and keep it in your mouth the entire time u let your sub dissolve. then just spit out the juice after 20 mins or so(or however long u let it sit, i do an hour sometimes).

You can avoid destroying your veins with the sub, and increase the length of time that its effective(it cuts the length of action about 30% or more when IV'ing bupe over subL) ... The bio-availability of sublingual suboxone with alcohol is around 50 - 70% or more. i was able to cut my dose in half from my normal subL dose. I highly suggest this ROA!!!

i always spit out my sub after it dissolves, that avoids some side effects supposedly. i was told to do that by my old dr.
 
I hope this is the right place to post this, and ive lurked for years n.never saw this specifically

I want to break my physical dependency with a fast sub detox.

i have a history, but been clean the better part of this past year but after a week plus, maybe two, of using 60-120mg of oxy throughout each day i went 24 hours with nothing but a teaspoon of kratom at the 12/13 hour mark and by 24 hours i didn't feel that bad so didn't want to start the subs because i seem to be sensitive to PWDs, not the narcan reaction bc I've iv'd them once stable on it with no problems (besides the fact i was shooting subs lol). So i used today bc i knew I'd be using to get through work tomorrow, didn't want to induce at work in case it didn't work out.
i know your supposed to wait until u register moderate WDs on the COWS chart but today after 24 hours i didn't register that high, def was having temp, fluctuations yawns, a runny nose, and no appetite, even tho i stayed on the chronic. Is it possible that my withdrawals just won't get bad enough to register as moderate, if this is the case how long after last oc dose will i safley be able to take suboxone and begin a 3-5 day taper to break my physical dependence. The last tome i did this i iv'd 1mg after 24 hours and was sent mild pwds, now i know to dose low n work your way up along with not shooting it on the induction dose, or never ideally.
And i know what your thinking, "if not that bad why take subs?" To answer this i work long days outside washin cars at a fast pace so want that lil extra boost through the time frame where i should be in the worst of my withdrawals.

Thanks y'all
 
The cows scale is designed to take into account people not getting certain symptoms or getting certain ones lighter than others. That's why it's effective. If you can't even score moderate withdrawal, you're not ready to start the suboxone. It takes longer than 24 hours for a lot of people to be sick enough. Sometimes 36, sometimes 48, it's different for everyone. If you rush it, you're just going to have to induct all over again so mine as well do it right now.
 
Cool, and thanks. So basically if Im not registering high enough then keep waiting.
Is there the possibility that my habit wasn't big enough to cause moderate/severe wds and if so when would it be safe to induce? Or is it soley based off the level of withdrawal one is in?
 
^^

I mean, yeah it's possible your habit wasn't big enough to produce severe withdrawals but... if you cant score at least moderately on the cows scale ever, even after 2-3 days, then you just flat out do not need suboxone. Ha. So, give it a good 36 hours or so and then try take the cows again. Sometimes having somebody else score you works better because they can notice things you don't while you are sick. Also, make sure not to take any benzos or anything else to minimize the symptoms before induction because it will mess with the results of the cows scale.

If after 48 hours you're still not scoring high enough on the chart.. you can try taking a very small amount of suboxone sublingually. Like .25 or .5mg's.
 
Thank you much for your take. I mean compared to my past this is a laughably small habit, still not funny tho. Any way i did have some symptoms just nowhere near a 26 on cows, maybe a 12-15. If i didnt work doing physical labor i would just rough it but i know how i am, even if I'm not sick, but not 100 I'll drag ass at work for a few days so i just wanted the option of bupe if needed. Maybe I'll just try kratom to get thru work, only prob with that is keeping an empty stomach so dosing is effective. Does Kratom interfere w bupe? never seen a straight answer on that. For example i decide not to use bupe for work on thurs but kratom instead, then if the kratom doesnt cover me would it be safe top take the bupe our would i have to wait again?

I got tomorrow off, n haven't used since 10am this morn, so if i make it thru tomorrow without caving (usually out of boredom) if i wanted to give myself a lil kick for work dosing small amount of bupe subL would be fine
 
Sort of shameless bump but why do i feel worse today at 12hrs then yesterday at 24. And from reading my original post i realize i HAVE NOT been mostly clean anywhere near a year, time time just moves so slow when sober :(
 
Yea, like a dumb ass, knew I'd end up scoring and using at work if felt like shit, bc i don't want to induce subs on a morn i have to work incase tbey didn't work out bc then nothing will(sorry justification, i know) .but back at 24 plus with plans to be u bum tomorrow as I've got it off just one class at 530, then work the next morn so maybe kratom that day maybe, maybe sub. Is there any interaction between the two as faw as pwds, never seen a final answer to that.
Just want to break physical dependence, regain a bit of control again. Thanks for bein round
Oh yea bad math, only 12 hours
 
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