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Health I do not believe LSD or psychedelics causes irreparable harm to people diagnosed with schizophrenia or history of psychosis

Ismene2 said:
Yeah I know but its so easy for people to say shit like "It was the acid trip dude". There's a million other people on the exact same day as that guy who never took acid a day in their lives and had EXACTLY the same thing happen to them. It's just cos you've had 50 years of anti-LSD drug war bullshit that people come up with shit like "I remember now dude, I TOOK ACID that year...THAT MUST HAVE CAUSED MY SCHIZOPHRENIA DUDE"! - Cos it sounds really dramatic and exciting and it's a good story to tell. It's a lot more interesting than just saying "Syd Barrat was schizophrenic and it developed in his early twenties just like every other case of schizophrenia does". That's soooo boring. "He took acid and never came back dude!!" is exciting - hell - if I was schizophrenic I'd probably tell that story about myself even if I knew it was fucking bullshit. You've got a lot more chance of getting people to listen to you in the pub that way.

My best friend developed schizophrenia in his early 20s - did exactly the same kind of shit you hear Syd Barrat and Peter Green did - never took a psychedelic in his life. That's schizophrenia - not LSD.

The simple fact is schizophrenia rates have been constant for 100 years. If acid/pot HAD ANY EFFECT WHATSOEVER on causing or "triggering" schizophrenia we should have seen an absolute explosion in schizophrenia rates from the sixties onwards. We saw no such thing.

Case closed.
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Oh, you don't know me.lol Brainwashed, ah know I have met real vintage hippies.
I am related to a couple of them( never met them). wouldn't want to if they are still alive?

This has nothing do with anti drug stuff.
It is a fact that lsd can trigger a person susceptible to schizophrenia.

You speak like you know me.lol This a public forum with at times btw 100's of spybots and 1000's.

I am not a child. Your preconceived notions are comical. Do you really think I am stupid enough to divulge anything that isn't public record about me.

Or, shit used against me. lol

So, you think you know me.

How many guns do I have within half a meter from me. ( real guns,not 22's or hunting weapons) How many, the exact types of guns, and what type of handgun is my elbow resting against.( what, type, brand, caliber and how many bullets is it loaded with. Also the specific type of bullets.?( all legally owned).

All because you have preconceived notions and you like to brag about you drug use. Or, what you want people to think, of you.lol
 
This is a really bad idea and there is literally a mountain of proof in front of you. So many people here literally know someone it’s happened to IRL. I have a friend that lost his shit on LSD, pretty sure it was latent schizophrenia or something like it. That trip fucked him up permanently. The part that kinda scared me was that it wasn’t the first trip that got him. I tripped with him like 2 of the maybe 5 times that he did it. On trip like 4 or 5 he was fucked. My other friend that tripped with him that day called me and said that he started acting really weird then demanded that he leave and I’m not completely sure what happened during that time but afterwards he was completely different and crazy. Paranoid about all kinds of weird things and then he just disappeared. He actually hit me up a couple years ago after over a decade and he seemed a little better but still far from okay. Just another story to add to the pile.
 
There’s a difference between micro-dosing and 250-300 mcg of LSD. A full hit of LSD would send spiraling across the universe. I know that and I don’t intend to go out that way.
 
Do I believe that acid and pot can send some people mentally ill? No more than
Jnowhere said:
Oh, you don't know me.lol Brainwashed, ah know I have met real vintage hippies.
I am related to a couple of them( never met them). wouldn't want to if they are still alive?

This has nothing do with anti drug stuff.
It is a fact that lsd can trigger a person susceptible to schizophrenia.

You speak like you know me.lol This a public forum with at times btw 100's of spybots and 1000's.

I am not a child. Your preconceived notions are comical. Do you really think I am stupid enough to divulge anything that isn't public record about me.

Or, shit used against me. lol

So, you think you know me.

How many guns do I have within half a meter from me. ( real guns,not 22's or hunting weapons) How many, the exact types of guns, and what type of handgun is my elbow resting against.( what, type, brand, caliber and how many bullets is it loaded with. Also the specific type of bullets.?( all legally owned).

All because you have preconceived notions and you like to brag about you drug use. Or, what you want people to think, of you.lol
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I wasnt being nasty mate - all the best to you pal.
 
Ismene2 said:
Well it's like genetics has got the full weight of science behind it - and on the other side is your Uncle saying his dads brother took a thumbful and never came back dawg.
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You have no idea who you up against, not me.

Seeking Oblivion.

You are going to lose to S.O. Then look even more foolish, if that is possible. LMAO
 
In my own personal experience shrooms did not make me go psychotc at alll. I had psychosis once but it was stress and insomnia induced not drug induced. Shrooms are actually kind of the opposite of psychosis to me. Psychosis is however very similar to taking a deliriant like dramamine. I once took 25 dramamine and it was very similar to psychosis i had later in life
 
I don't get it....there is mounting indications through research and study that psychedelics are helpful. Yet the government refuses to admit they were wrong in forcing prohibition on these types of substances. I will go one further, to assume LSD or other psychotropic drugs cause schizophrenia psychosis is an ostrich who hides itself from the world based on here say and false rumors that are still alive today. It's one thing to believe something without merit but to state over and over again your thoughts without absolute proof is doing the same thing I am doing in my original statement

I do not believe LSD or psychedelics causes irreparable harm to people diagnosed with schizophrenia or history of psychosis.​


This is my belief, it is stated above. You are entitled to your own belief as I am. Neither of us know the absolute outcome of introducing psychedelics to someone with schizophrenia or a history of psychosis. Psychedelics affect people differently the same holds true with people diagnosed with a severe thought disorder. Will psychedelics trigger psychosis on the first time of use or years latter after using psychedelics for the 10th or 20th time?

Will I be injured in a car wreck or here's one, will a pickup truck crash into my house causing me, my wife and my 4 dogs to live with a neighbor, then an Rv for 16 months? You cannot possibly believe nothing is going to happen to you that will change your life in millisecond. We don't think that way but the truth be known, life is unpredictable and so is taking psychedelics when you know without a doubt the odds are stacked against you but you want to find out on your own terms, will psychedelics cause me irreparable harm by taking them?

We gamble everyday with our lives, I choose to gamble with psychedelics because I think it BS that originated in the 60s & 70s once used to promote prohibition.
 
I hear ya, I think it can show us things, things a lot more important and influential than is shown on the television.

It's a delicate drug, but all drugs are right?

I wouldn't hand the newest generation a sheet of tabs and say "have fun", because like you said it's about how you handle it and your mindset.

My opinion is that psychedelics aren't meant to get "fucked up" on. So if you purposely over do them, you will get a bad result, as with any drug.

However I do think it can be eye opening. More specifically, at least in my experience, sort of had me really enjoying the moment. It can easily be too much (for me, probably some people), but I think it has uses and there are a lot worse things out there!
 
Yes and along with many things can be therapeutic. Yeah and don't over dose. Please.
 
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