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My wife appreciates me going to church with her even though I don’t participate. Sometimes it is difficult to be there such as when they celebrate communion or other activities where I stand out by not participating. I do not feel in any way I am a hypocrite for attending church functions with my because I am true to my own beliefs, although I often reassess how and why I believe as I do. I am in constant change and what may hold true to me today may differ from tomorrow. This is the only way I live because is in constant motion, it does not stagnate.

Religion on the other hand stays the same. It does not accept or allow higher consciousness outside of its belief system. To me this is tragic. There are many methods and practices to attain godlike consciousness that do not involve strict religious adherence to the rituals and traditions of the church. Meditation, experiencing trauma and contemplative focus can open avenues of consciousness in unused hemispheres of the brain. This is proven scientific knowledge, however, religion does not support science, instead religion refers to the unknown as god or spirit. Many people believe this way from years of religious conditioning along with the fear of punishment for believing otherwise.
 
My wife appreciates me going to church with her even though I don’t participate. Sometimes it is difficult to be there such as when they celebrate communion or other activities where I stand out by not participating. I do not feel in any way I am a hypocrite for attending church functions with my because I am true to my own beliefs, although I often reassess how and why I believe as I do. I am in constant change and what may hold true to me today may differ from tomorrow. This is the only way I live because is in constant motion, it does not stagnate.

Religion on the other hand stays the same. It does not accept or allow higher consciousness outside of its belief system. To me this is tragic. There are many methods and practices to attain godlike consciousness that do not involve strict religious adherence to the rituals and traditions of the church. Meditation, experiencing trauma and contemplative focus can open avenues of consciousness in unused hemispheres of the brain. This is proven scientific knowledge, however, religion does not support science, instead religion refers to the unknown as god or spirit. Many people believe this way from years of religious conditioning along with the fear of punishment for believing otherwise.
This type of rigid thinking is largely prevalent in Judaeo/Christian religions. Some religions (Think Buddhism and similar) are more experiential and meditative. They are still religions, you know ... ;)

But it's nice you go with her to support the relationship. 👍
 
My wife appreciates me going to church with her even though I don’t participate. Sometimes it is difficult to be there such as when they celebrate communion or other activities where I stand out by not participating. I do not feel in any way I am a hypocrite for attending church functions with my because I am true to my own beliefs, although I often reassess how and why I believe as I do. I am in constant change and what may hold true to me today may differ from tomorrow. This is the only way I live because is in constant motion, it does not stagnate.

Religion on the other hand stays the same. It does not accept or allow higher consciousness outside of its belief system. To me this is tragic. There are many methods and practices to attain godlike consciousness that do not involve strict religious adherence to the rituals and traditions of the church. Meditation, experiencing trauma and contemplative focus can open avenues of consciousness in unused hemispheres of the brain. This is proven scientific knowledge, however, religion does not support science, instead religion refers to the unknown as god or spirit. Many people believe this way from years of religious conditioning along with the fear of punishment for believing otherwise.
I do the same.

I was raised very Catholic, and that's how my wife got to know me. We've known each other for almost 30 years now, and I have to say that my faith has changed somewhat, while hers has remained the same. In this sense: I've thought a lot about God, while she is content with her faith and doesn't want to change or improve anything.

She is more traditionally Catholic—I used to be too. But now I don't mind going to communion, even though I wasn't allowed to according to very strict Catholic rules. My wife would never allow herself to do that...

They also talk about not going to communion. So it means a lot to them: Christianity. They play along with this game. It's okay to play along. That's exactly what I think too. There's nothing wrong with being a (traditional) Christian.

But I have redefined some of the “rules of the game” for myself in harmony with God.

Outwardly, it looks like I'm doing everything my wife and my Christian environment expect me to do. But I am more consistent with myself on some points, and it has had a positive effect on me.
 
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I also went to church this morning.

Because it's something I always wanted to do and I fear losing the good that the churches do where so many have left.

Our Protestant churches are largely run by our own church elders and upheld by the church communities.
 
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This is proven scientific knowledge, however, religion does not support science, instead religion refers to the unknown as god or spirit.

On the contrary

Western science owes a great debt to the work by medieval Christian theologians such as Thomas Aquinas -


Likewise, Islamic scholars are responsible for more than their fair share of scientific advancement -


Solzhenitsyn once gave an excellent speech on what he believed was the reason(s) for Western man turning his back on God... and what has been substituted in to replace the role that God/religion/spirituality played.


It has been fifty years since then, long enough to compare his prophecy to the world of today and determine whether he was fundamentally right or wrong.
 
I am in constant change and what may hold true to me today may differ from tomorrow. This is the only way I live because is in constant motion, it does not stagnate.
I do find the central truth stays the same. But how to get more knowledge and wisdom can change. I still think psychedelics are beyond valuable, and that nature gave us a leg up by providing them. Religions seem against this. But we have to look at individual people and not put everyone in the same grouping, which I will not. There are some good people that go to church.

I was brought up Greek Orthodox, dragged to church and Sunday school for years by my mother. I will use her as an example. However it was all for show. What would other people think?? That type of thinking. On her death bed she had a hard time. Full of resistance and refusing to "go to the light". I saw it first hand. One of the nurses said she heard her asking Jesus to take her. Several times the nurse heard it out loud over 3 days. Now I know my mother. Sounds good, but it has been written that we should "go inward" and pray. A nurse should not have been able to see the show. To me that's what formalized religions produce for some people. Public praying with no understanding. All talk no action. I was always interested in spiritual things. Even pre psychedelics although I was 14 my first trip. My mother thought I was just a crazy hippy with weird thoughts. But I am the one that saw how one dies if they are not prepared. (The Bride Groom story) I saw it firsthand and I saw the caveats. Be prepared. Nature was compassionate to her, her own resistance created the skids.

They play along with this game. It's okay to play along. That's exactly what I think too. There's nothing wrong with being a (traditional) Christian.
It is ok to respect it, but Faith runs deeper in some people, meaning some really get it and live it. Others go for show. And I believe I saw first hand what happens when someone just goes for show. Very sad. And honestly that is most people! I just happen to witness my mother and the sadness. Is it ok? It has been said in this thread that it is basically not ok for some of us, but we respect it.

Western science owes a great debt to the work by medieval Christian theologians such as Thomas Aquinas
They named a college after him near where I use to live. I think for sure people like TA can go really far with their faith and discover. Nice example.

By all means though play along with the respect. For real. But stick with it. Keep the discussions open. Be the instigator to go deeper. You know a good way to see how serious people are? Take some Bible verses Jesus statements and ask them if you can have an in depth discussion to gain more wisdom on the verse (like we do here). If they seem bored or uninterested 100% of the time then they just go to church for the rituals but mostly to be to be social. Jesus himself called these people hippocrates. They show others as to be thought of well. They feed the giant ego in the sky. They do not want to dig into the bible verses for any meaning. Just show up to church posturing.

All that is unfair to the good people that go to church and try and understand. Being a simply kind person, I mean really kind not just talk, I think that is the most spiritual thing a person can do. And they are in churches too. And not all go for show. Some people really want to learn. But a person has to keep his ears open. As it is said some people have ears but don't hear. They have eyes but do not see.

Speaking of having ears but not hearing one time I saw a church with a slogan, on the sign said: church for the deaf, for those that have ears but can not hear. :)
 
According to Author Robert Ornstein in his latest book entitled God 4.0 On the nature of higher consciousness and the experience called "god" Until recently there has not been a means to understand what is called 'second system" because we didn't have the knowledge of psychology and neuroscience, but now we understand what this faculty is and how it works....how it might work for us.

The activation of this second system of perception happens in those moments when things change, and we "see" and understand things differently. The second system is an innate network of connections in the brain that when developed can access an awareness of a parallel reality that provides insights and understandings that are more objective---outside the self. There is a continuum of this activation, from our experiences of creativity and insight in daily life. to the ecstatic experiences of saints and shaman, to the transcendental experiences of prophets and spiritual teachers--many of whom described their experiences in metaphorical terms such as god.

When we have that eureka experience the left hemisphere of the brain continuously behind the scenes for relevant information--until it finally gets stymied and goes off line. The brain switches over to its right hemisphere to explore unpredicted ideas and associations. The specific actions of the brain that come next are surprising. Milliseconds before an epiphany, the activity in the right hemisphere posterior (back) area shuts down. This is what provides the "bypass" of the barrier between normal thinking and a new understanding.

The insights we get are specifically associated with a burst of high frequency (40-hertz gamma band) measured by EEG activity adjacent to the brains right parietal lobe. Immediately prior to EEG burst there is a flareup of alpha waves over the right side of the back of the head.

The second system isn't a specific physical organ, it is a second system of cognition, an innate quiescent faculty within all of us that can be developed. In technical terms this second system might be called a "workaround" but it is workaround that is discovered independently to defeat or slide around our normal everyday awareness.

All religious and ethical systems that we know of teach/preach being virtuous. They encourage people to practice humility, charity, forgiveness, and generosity. to sacrifice for others, feel empathy and treat others with compassion; and to focus on gratitude for what you have and not envy what others possess. These systems all encourage being thankful, being honest, offering service to others, practicing altruism, developing patience and tolerance, and reducing one's desires. Being virtuous and seeing others in our orbit as virtuous is helpful in maintaining a healthy society. A virtuous society makes a stable society possible by reducing conflict, maintaining social cohesion and enhancing trust and cooperation.

It is not a coincidence that all three Abrahamic religions emphasize being cooperative, courteous and amenable to the likes and dislikes of others. Everybody is for virtue. What these different virtues have in common; humility, generosity, empathy, patience, compassion, forgiveness, honesty, etc is they all draw attention away from a focus upon the self. They all push for "ego reduction" and personal decantation. in other words, they encourage us not to see ourselves as the center of everything. This is an internal, psychological process that mirrors the changes--initiated by Copernicus in the scientific understanding of humanities place in the universe. Practicing virtues draws the brains operational mechanisms away from the area that situates our self, our space, our place and our role in the mundane world, and takes a step toward timelessness and placlessness--to a higher more comprehensive consciousness. One can understand, why such a move away from self-centeredness is held in many spiritual traditions as the groundwork upon which one can begin to prepare for this shift.

If you are interested in learning more about God 4.0 I have included an audiobook link
 
I can only speak for the Catholic Church but everyone is welcome at our masses and liturgies whether they participate or not.

You're absolutely right that a healthy spiritual life can exist outside of the Church and even Christianity as a whole. I know Muslims, Buddhists and even atheists with legitimate spiritual practices and beliefs.

I don't think it's fair to say religion wholly rejects science. I am a scientist by trade (not an academic) and personally I just think science rubs up against any of my own religious beliefs. If you have literal interpretations of the bible then absolutely you'll quickly run into incompatibilities that are irreconcilable. I also don't defend using God as an explanation for what we cannot understand. Everything we see in the world today can be adequately explained by science. What is much more difficult to explain is creation ex-nihilo. The question as to why there is anything at all.

Science by definition is the study of things that exist within space and time. We have known for close to a century that the universe had a beginning. How can our scientific tools even approach this mystery? Prior to time and space even the most basic laws of physics do not exist.

I don't for a second involve my religious beliefs in my scientific thoughts and discussions. Father Georges Lemaître was a Catholic priest and theoretical physicist. The term big bang was coined by him and the earliest big bang model was a product of his work. When Pope John XXIII learnt of Father Lemaître scientific model he wanted to publicly acknowledge it as evidence of God creating a universe from nothing. Father Lemaître protested that Pope John XXIII not do this. He recognised that religion ought not to involve itself in science.

An example I think non literal interpretations of the bible being more honest is Adam and Eve. Obviously a literal reading of Genesis is totally void of intellectual honesty. But I don't think that's what the authors of Genesis intended, nor did the early Church fathers have a literal reading. The way I understand a story like Adam and Eve is that they were the first humans to become aware of God's presence- and the first to reject it. The serpent, the fruit and the subsequent fall are storytelling tools; metaphors and allegory are very powerful for getting a point across.

You'll find all sorts of voices in Christianity saying all sorts of ridiculous things about science however the serious theologians and Christian scientists do not behave this way
 
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I think that being a Christian is really very difficult. Even the Ten Commandments are impossible for many people to follow. And they don't. Some of the commandments are actually philosophical and open to debate.

Christians must admit that we are not saints.

We sin (every day). Often these are mortal sins. Many believers struggle with this. Others take a more casual approach. I belong to the second group. I am not a saint, I never have been and never will be. I have accepted that. One should accept that one is human. I think God is forgiving in this regard.

I don't want to get into the psyche of a saint, but we ordinary people are all hypocrites to a certain extent. We repeatedly do things that are not “allowed” and think we can get away with it. In my opinion, all discussions about religions and believers refer only to this fact. We are all sinners, without question. We should accept that.

And we shouldn't argue about whether this or that person is a greater sinner than me. Or that I am better or understand something better.
 
Sometimes it is difficult to be there

Then say NO for once.
I don't understand this. I really don't. What is it with men who can't say no to their wives/gfs? Yes it is nice to show support for a partner by OCCASIONALLY visiting a place with them that means something to them, but what about showing support for a partners LIMITS and own desires? Why doesn't this go both ways with these church chics?!?! They are not even interested in listening what the other side takes issues with, it's just about "honey if u luv me pls do this ok? Do it for me and I pray Jeebuz will one day find you and that you will have the heart to bla bla bla, more self-righteous, self-drunken pseudoholy speak bla bla"
What men don't understand anymore is that if you give a woman a hand without defining limits, they will take your entire arm. I have noticed that such men come in 99% of cases from either a) single mother households, or b) a household where the father is one of those "you heard your mom" type of "men". Western men don't have balls anymore...

P.S.: here is something interesting to chew on: imagine a group of people in your community practicing symbolic ritual cannibalism and blood sorcery while praying to a corpse. Sounds kinda satanic shmaytanic, doesn't it? Now take this shit into "muh shursh" and it suddenly becomes "holy" due to some fucked up logic that nobody actually understands but everybody is somehow supposed to respect due to this ridiculous religion called egalitarianism. Don't get me wrong, people can believe whatever they want. People can believe in solipsism for all I care, but not everything has to be respected.

P.P.S.: also, the ten commandments are largely ripped off from the egyptian book of the dead by the eternal "victims". Another "fun" fact I guess...
 
P.P.S.: also, the ten commandments are largely ripped off from the egyptian book of the dead by the eternal "victims". Another "fun" fact I guess...

The Ancient Hebrews were slaves in Egypt for 430 years before they traveled to eventually settle in "Israel" after a 40 year "migration"so this is not such a surprise. There's an incredible blend and similarity in the Semitic region and cultures. Moses was a Prince of Egypt and would have been very familiar with these traditions since he was raised in Pharaoh's family.
 
The Ancient Hebrews were slaves in Egypt for 430 years
Total and absolute bullshit that is not supported by any extra-biblical evidence my friend. Show me one archaeological proof that confirms the jooz were ever enslaved in egypt. It doesn't exist. Nothing, nada, ZERO. The only "proof" is the bible. Lol how scientific. But ofc that's always a useful card to play when you want to depict yourself as a perpetual victim in an age where victimhood is something that gives power.
 
Total and absolute bullshit that is not supported by any extra-biblical evidence my friend. Show me one archaeological proof that proves the jooz were ever enslaved in egypt. It doesn't exist. The only "proof" is the bible. Lol how scientific. But ofc that's always a useful card to play when you want to depict yourself as a perpetual victim in an age where victimhood is something that gives power.
I see, well this is a discussion, not an arguement. It doesn't actually disagree with what you said, BTW.
So you "win", I guess. :unsure:
 
For those who don't know me (I haven't been very active the past 2 years here), my tone is confrontational by nature and I have a no bs attitude. It doesn't mean I hate anybody, or that I have beef with anyone here. It's just the way I am and I won't apologize for it. Nothing personal...
 
I see, well this is a discussion, not an arguement. It doesn't actually disagree with what you said, BTW.
So you "win", I guess. :unsure:
Huh? Didn't you say (((they))) were enslaved by the bad, evil egyptians? How is that agreement? I'm still waiting for proof btw...
 
If your reference “sometimes it is difficult to be there” is geared to my post, your response regarding my relationship with my wife is completely misconstrued. I attend church with my wife so I can spend time with her. It is a small inconvenience for me to be in church with her, however, by being with her, I support her and her interests because I value her as my wife and as an individual.
Our relationship is about us as individuals who respect and support each other in various interests that may or may not apply to both of us. For example, not long ago I was working toward getting my scuba diving certification. My wife had no interest in scuba diving, however, she was with me every step of the way because it was important to me.
By choice I choose to do things with my wife even if it may not be my thing. It’s not a matter of not having the balls to tell her I’m going to do something for whatever reason, I choose to be her because no one is more important to me than her.
 
If your reference “sometimes it is difficult to be there” is geared to my post, your response regarding my relationship with my wife is completely misconstrued. I attend church with my wife so I can spend time with her. It is a small inconvenience for me to be in church with her, however, by being with her, I support her and her interests because I value her as my wife and as an individual.
Our relationship is about us as individuals who respect and support each other in various interests that may or may not apply to both of us. For example, not long ago I was working toward getting my scuba diving certification. My wife had no interest in scuba diving, however, she was with me every step of the way because it was important to me.
By choice I choose to do things with my wife even if it may not be my thing. It’s not a matter of not having the balls to tell her I’m going to do something for whatever reason, I choose to be her because no one is more important to me than her.
The situation you are in is more clear to me now. I was assuming the "usual scenario" if you get my meaning, but if your partner has supported you in your interests too, then that is great. Just know that I was speaking based on what little information I had. Relationships are complicated and it is unfair to judge a couple based on little tidbits of online information. I want to apologize to you. My posts are never meant as personal attacks or anything of that sort.
 
The situation you are in is more clear to me now. I was assuming the "usual scenario" if you get my meaning, but if your partner has supported you in your interests too, then that is great. Just know that I was speaking based on what little information I had. Relationships are complicated and it is unfair to judge a couple based on little tidbits of online information. I want to apologize to you. My posts are never meant as personal attacks or anything of that sort.
No problem, my wife and I share a unique relationship with each other....we genuinely love each other and will sacrifice our own agenda to make each other happy.
 
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