🌿 Herbs & Supplements 🌿 I am attempting to quit Kratom again. I wanted know what are some supplements suggested to look into, to ease the transition while still working etc?

[jasperkent]

...I have decided to attempt to let go again...

I'm in a similar situation in that I initially started using kratom to get off an oxycodone habit (kratom's great for that), but I've continued using it far longer than I'd intended-- over four years now.

I've managed to taper down from 60 to about 30 grams a day, spread out over 5 or 6 doses. But I've had no success going lower than that. I can take up to three days in a row off work, but no more. I'm able to cut down to about 20 grams daily on my off days, but I inevitably increase my intake just to get through my work days.

I'm looking into the suggestions in previous posts. If anyone else has experience tapering and/or quitting kratom, I'd appreciate any advice you can give.

Thanks!

 

[Quasimoto]

Topical magnesium is even better. It’s the best way to absorb magnesium

I didn't even know that was a thing, interesting. I will definitely try this.

Magnesium Oxide is one hell of a laxative if taken orally

 

[fairnymph]

I didn't even know that was a thing, interesting. I will definitely try this.

Magnesium Oxide is one hell of a laxative if taken orally

It’s really so much more effective, especially in a hot bath. Let me know what you think. And be careful getting out of the bath because you may be so relaxed that you almost fall over. That’s what happened to me the first time and I was definitely magnesium deficient as most people are.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

Depends on how long you’ve been using for. The mental fog disappears within the first few days for me, so almost immediately (although I have never used kratom, I’m referring to morphine based opiates). The intense emotions largely calm down after about a week, but can potentially take months to fully settle, because of PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome).

Thank you all, for your advice and assistance with this, I've started and know it will be a long road. It is annoying how difficult doing nothing is, yet minor efforts here and there have helped. I have ignored any progress as it's only been a couple of days. Yet wanted to speak to someone about it to keep my mind off just giving up and going back, so came here. I hope everyone is well, per usual the life contemplations have started, yet I just find myself having little faith. Unlike those who led a successful life then messed things up, I was one of those who well always had things messed up. So, idk a part of me sees how others have improved overtime yet find myself wondering that even after some time moves on, that doesn't necessarily mean things will grow and change since that's on me, and if I was a failure before then is what I will be after. Idk this isn't the best place, but during this time the emotional randomness catches me off guard.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

I'm in a similar situation in that I initially started using kratom to get off an oxycodone habit (kratom's great for that), but I've continued using it far longer than I'd intended-- over four years now.

I've managed to taper down from 60 to about 30 grams a day, spread out over 5 or 6 doses. But I've had no success going lower than that. I can take up to three days in a row off work, but no more. I'm able to cut down to about 20 grams daily on my off days, but I inevitably increase my intake just to get through my work days.

I'm looking into the suggestions in previous posts. If anyone else has experience tapering and/or quitting kratom, I'd appreciate any advice you can give.

Thanks!

I will say to use the search function, there are posts where people have their own situations and examples, which help them do what they would like. tapering is the long-term method whereas cold turkey is shorter (I'm new to this all myself so I would still research as my own experiences can guide this answer versus others). Also make a post as well like I did, the members here are helpful and get back when they can, you can even browse mine and other post with things that help. It's tough but doable, wish you the best on this journey, we get through it together and there are plenty of us constantly learning from it.

 

[fairnymph]

Thank you all, for your advice and assistance with this, I've started and know it will be a long road. It is annoying how difficult doing nothing is, yet minor efforts here and there have helped. I have ignored any progress as it's only been a couple of days. Yet wanted to speak to someone about it to keep my mind of just giving up and going back, so came here. I hope everyone is well, per usual the life contemplations have started, yet I just find myself having little faith. Unlike those who led a successful then messed things up, I was one of those who well always had things messed up. So, idk a part of me sees how others have improved overtime yet find myself wondering that even after some time moves on, that doesn't necessarily mean things will grow and change since that's one me, and if I was a failure before then is what I will be after. Idk this isn't the best place, but during this time the emotional randomness catches me off guard.

Your life is not over yet. I know it’s difficult not to compare yourself to others, but I would focus on trying to be the best version of yourself. Other people have resources and skills that you do not (and no doubt you are better off than other people who lack things you have). We can only work with what we have. That said, you can always turn things around and make something more of yourself if you put the work in. It won’t be easy, but it will be rewarding. I think it’s great that you’re thinking about these things, but if you can, try to frame them positively. Plan for the future instead of dwelling on the past.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

Your life is not over yet. I know it’s difficult not to compare yourself to others, but I would focus on trying to be the best version of yourself. Other people have resources and skills that you do not (and no doubt you are better off than other people who lack things you have). We can only work with what we have. That said, you can always turn things around and make something more of yourself if you put the work in. It won’t be easy, but it will be rewarding. I think it’s great that you’re thinking about these things, but if you can, try to frame them positively. Plan for the future instead of dwelling on the past.

Thank you, I came back here as im feeling at that point, where everything(PAWS maybe ?) is low. Feels a bit early, but its different, i have things to get done and focus on, and felt myself saying to just go back. I know mindset is key but feeling the weakness permeate throughout the entire body always catches me off guard. I also see thats it easier to think in a narrow box, versus the various circumstances others may or may not be in. Yet even then, reshaping the thoughts and actions into more, is more effort then i realize, and alot has to change. I know i have to be patient, but the rumination is what holds on like a weight, limiting what i choose to see or think of. I get it my body and mind need time to heal, yet i also realized ive been on this path for longer than i thought, and it just leaves me…. Thank you at the end of the day, what i decide to do and change even if small going forward is what defines how something will go. Yet if my actions look toward growth, yet my mind towards failure then i sit at a standstill. Thank you again, i know these are things that are better helped in other areas. Yet the sad reality is that coming here is easier.

 

[fairnymph]

Thank you, I came back here as im feeling at that point, where everything(PAWS maybe ?) is low. Feels a bit early, but it’s different, i have things to get done and focus on, and felt myself saying to just go back. I know mindset is key but feeling the weakness permeate throughout the entire body always catches me off guard. I also see thats it easier to think in a narrow box, versus the various circumstances others may or may not be in. Yet even then, reshaping the thoughts and actions into more, is more effort then i realize, and alot has to change. I know i have to be patient, but the rumination is what holds on like a weight, limiting what i choose to see or think of. I get it my body and mind need time to heal, yet i also realized ive been on this path for longer than i thought, and it just leaves me…. Thank you at the end of the day, what i decide to do and change even if small going forward is what defines how something will go. Yet if my actions look toward growth, yet my mind towards failure then i sit at a standstill. Thank you again, i know these are things that are better helped in other areas. Yet the sad reality is that coming here is easier.

You’re almost definitely suffering from PAWS. It’s very easy to get stuck in pointless thought loops while you’re still recovering. And this is what we’re here for, so you’re in the right place. Many many people here have been through what you’re going through, including myself, and it’s important to realise that you’re not alone. It sounds like you’re already improving your perspective, which is a huge first step.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

I feel bad even saying this, but now i wonder if i chose this at the wrong time :-(. I feel like im wasting the information and efforts given here. Its only day 7 and i find myself expecting a relapse. Its sad but the problem is, there are things i must take care of, and i go back to work soon. If the effort and motivation to do things is already difficult, then i wont be able to keep up. I found some supplements so far (still researching them as cant count the first time) and feel like i just wasted the purchase, i mean i do feel somewhat better, yet i cant continue to fall behind on things. Its strange i expected this but its strange that i felt better then things intensified, as if my efforts were for naught. I hate saying it but if i wasnt for my adhd meds, i would just be barely moving all day. I know this will pass, but I’m seeing its more than that. It’s a warped idea that this is what i have always been, weak and pathetic, wasting the effort and life space, I get that may be what i caused my mind to believe yet i feel its truth. I understand why people pause everything in life for these situations, but i know not all can, so i wanted to ask how others still managed it all. Again ive started to expect this yet reading about it is different from experiencing. It’s always tough, as you see how strongly your mind, your cells, your abilities were influenced. Even now, there are clearly people able to use this item responsibly and the echo of it sits there, and i have to constantly remind myself it takes time. During this time, i find the strangest thoughts/dreams come up. I saw it as a situation where one is hanging over a ledge, with a not too thin/not too thick rope. Its tight enough to keep you in place, but tight enough that you steady your breaths. I thought of a dark storm and then, out of nowhere a flash of lightning appeared, and i saw it wasn't a tree keeping me on the precipice, but a version of myself. I asked myself why it wouldn't just drop me, and then I woke up.

 

[deficiT]

I feel bad even saying this, but now i wonder if i chose this at the wrong time :-(. I feel like im wasting the information and efforts given here. Its only day 7 and i find myself expecting a relapse. Its sad but the problem is, there are things i must take care of, and i go back to work soon. If the effort and motivation to do things is already difficult, then i wont be able to keep up. I found some supplements so far (still researching them as cant count the first time) and feel like i just wasted the purchase, i mean i do feel somewhat better, yet i cant continue to fall behind on things. Its strange i expected this but its strange that i felt better then things intensified, as if my efforts were for naught. I hate saying it but if i wasnt for my adhd meds, i would just be barely moving all day. I know this will pass, but I’m seeing its more than that. It’s a warped idea that this is what i have always been, weak and pathetic, wasting the effort and life space, I get that may be what i caused my mind to believe yet i feel its truth. I understand why people pause everything in life for these situations, but i know not all can, so i wanted to ask how others still managed it all. Again ive started to expect this yet reading about it is different from experiencing. It’s always tough, as you see how strongly your mind, your cells, your abilities were influenced. Even now, there are clearly people able to use this item responsibly and the echo of it sits there, and i have to constantly remind myself it takes time. During this time, i find the strangest thoughts/dreams come up. I saw it as a situation where one is hanging over a ledge, with a not too thin/not too thick rope. Its tight enough to keep you in place, but tight enough that you steady your breaths. I thought of a dark storm and then, out of nowhere a flash of lightning appeared, and i saw it wasn't a tree keeping me on the precipice, but a version of myself. I asked myself why it wouldn't just drop me, and then I woke up.

A lot of that is totally normal when quitting drugs, or any difficult habit really.

Any progress you make, and anything you may learn, is never a waste. Keep your head up

 

[HealingEnergy14]

I feel bad even saying this, but now i wonder if i chose this at the wrong time :-(. I feel like im wasting the information and efforts given here. Its only day 7 and i find myself expecting a relapse. Its sad but the problem is, there are things i must take care of, and i go back to work soon. If the effort and motivation to do things is already difficult, then i wont be able to keep up. I found some supplements so far (still researching them as cant count the first time) and feel like i just wasted the purchase, i mean i do feel somewhat better, yet i cant continue to fall behind on things. Its strange i expected this but its strange that i felt better then things intensified, as if my efforts were for naught. I hate saying it but if i wasnt for my adhd meds, i would just be barely moving all day. I know this will pass, but I’m seeing its more than that. It’s a warped idea that this is what i have always been, weak and pathetic, wasting the effort and life space, I get that may be what i caused my mind to believe yet i feel its truth. I understand why people pause everything in life for these situations, but i know not all can, so i wanted to ask how others still managed it all. Again ive started to expect this yet reading about it is different from experiencing. It’s always tough, as you see how strongly your mind, your cells, your abilities were influenced. Even now, there are clearly people able to use this item responsibly and the echo of it sits there, and i have to constantly remind myself it takes time. During this time, i find the strangest thoughts/dreams come up. I saw it as a situation where one is hanging over a ledge, with a not too thin/not too thick rope. Its tight enough to keep you in place, but tight enough that you steady your breaths. I thought of a dark storm and then, out of nowhere a flash of lightning appeared, and i saw it wasn't a tree keeping me on the precipice, but a version of myself. I asked myself why it wouldn't just drop me, and then I woke up.

If you are on day 7 of quitting then you are through the worst of it, stay strong and keep going is my advice.

I would look into acquiring some Amanita Musciara, Kava Kava or Dissociatives like ketamine or it's analogues to ease your withdrawal and take the edge of it from time to time.

Be careful not to overdo it with the dissociatives as they can be (psychologically) addictive but A.M. and Kava Kava can both be relaxing while not being physically addictive like kratom or other opioids.

 

[fairnymph]

I feel bad even saying this, but now i wonder if i chose this at the wrong time :-(. I feel like im wasting the information and efforts given here. Its only day 7 and i find myself expecting a relapse. Its sad but the problem is, there are things i must take care of, and i go back to work soon. If the effort and motivation to do things is already difficult, then i wont be able to keep up. I found some supplements so far (still researching them as cant count the first time) and feel like i just wasted the purchase, i mean i do feel somewhat better, yet i cant continue to fall behind on things. Its strange i expected this but its strange that i felt better then things intensified, as if my efforts were for naught. I hate saying it but if i wasnt for my adhd meds, i would just be barely moving all day. I know this will pass, but I’m seeing its more than that. It’s a warped idea that this is what i have always been, weak and pathetic, wasting the effort and life space, I get that may be what i caused my mind to believe yet i feel its truth. I understand why people pause everything in life for these situations, but i know not all can, so i wanted to ask how others still managed it all. Again ive started to expect this yet reading about it is different from experiencing. It’s always tough, as you see how strongly your mind, your cells, your abilities were influenced. Even now, there are clearly people able to use this item responsibly and the echo of it sits there, and i have to constantly remind myself it takes time. During this time, i find the strangest thoughts/dreams come up. I saw it as a situation where one is hanging over a ledge, with a not too thin/not too thick rope. Its tight enough to keep you in place, but tight enough that you steady your breaths. I thought of a dark storm and then, out of nowhere a flash of lightning appeared, and i saw it wasn't a tree keeping me on the precipice, but a version of myself. I asked myself why it wouldn't just drop me, and then I woke up.

It’s a crazy time, always. Both mind and body are hypersensitive and you become aware of so much you normally aren’t. It does provide the opportunity for self-reflection and growth, so doesn’t have to be all unpleasantness. Because I regularly have to go through withdrawal to keep my tolerance down so my pain is managed I’ve learned to enjoy aspects of it. It’s really not all bad, with the right perspective. But it’s always difficult at the same time. Isn’t that usually how transformative periods in life are though?

Don’t beat yourself up if you end up relapsing. You can relapse and still be making progress overall by staying at a low dose and keeping yourself in a mild state of withdrawal. Try not to let yourself use for any other reason except to get stuff done. Take the bare minimum you need to be functional. Stimulants can be very useful during what withdrawal indeed but they can also make withdrawal symptoms worse and I suspect they’re not great for your emotional state. But if you have to be on them constantly…

I’ve always been lucky enough to be able to take a break from my day life when I need to go through withdrawal, so I don’t have much personal experience with what you’re going through, but I can imagine what it must be like and of course you can’t let your whole life fall apart. Try to be patient and remember that you might need to lower your dose and go in and out of withdrawal repeatedly over months before you’re fully off. As long as you’re moving in the right direction you’re making progress. It doesn’t have to be fast.

 

[fairnymph]

If you are on day 7 of quitting then you are through the worst of it, stay strong and keep going is my advice.

I would look into acquiring some Amanita Musciara, Kava Kava or Dissociatives like ketamine or it's analogues to ease your withdrawal and take the edge of it from time to time.

Be careful not to overdo it with the dissociatives as they can be (psychologically) addictive but A.M. and Kava Kava can both be relaxing while not being physically addictive like kratom or other opioids.

I agree with this, but if you’re still not feeling better in three days, I can understand why you might need to go back on a low dose, especially if you can’t get any helpful supplements/meds and have to keep taking your ADHD meds. I’d be really curious to see if going off your meds for a few days would help you, though.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

It’s a crazy time, always. Both mind and body are hypersensitive and you become aware of so much you normally aren’t. It does provide the opportunity for self-reflection and growth, so doesn’t have to be all unpleasantness. Because I regularly have to go through withdrawal to keep my tolerance down so my pain is managed I’ve learned to enjoy aspects of it. It’s really not all bad, with the right perspective. But it’s always difficult at the same time. Isn’t that usually how transformative periods in life are though?

Don’t beat yourself up if you end up relapsing. You can relapse and still be making progress overall by staying at a low dose and keeping yourself in a mild state of withdrawal. Try not to let yourself use for any other reason except to get stuff done. Take the bare minimum you need to be functional. Stimulants can be very useful during what withdrawal indeed but they can also make withdrawal symptoms worse and I suspect they’re not great for your emotional state. But if you have to be on them constantly…

I’ve always been lucky enough to be able to take a break from my day life when I need to go through withdrawal, so I don’t have much personal experience with what you’re going through, but I can imagine what it must be like and of course you can’t let your whole life fall apart. Try to be patient and remember that you might need to lower your dose and go in and out of withdrawal repeatedly over months before you’re fully off. As long as you’re moving in the right direction you’re making progress. It doesn’t have to be fast.

Thank you all of you, tbh I felt wrong for even having to go back for functionality, and thought it was something that i should never do. Yet than again I've never actually discussed this much with others, and so i want to keep track of it. I had this instilled thinking that unless its a CT and I push through it then I'm just a lost cause. I want to watch myself and keep track. I was going to push through, but after struggling to work on a class assignment, i just felt the dread of then going back to work. It bothers me alot and i feel like a failure, as am i actually learning or is it just the cravings convincing me of what i may want to think or do. Either way i find myself wanting to commit, and keep track, I hope am i still allowed to use the thread to continue on progress. I know agamatine sulfite and Black seed oil, seem to have an effect( of either prolongment or potentiation(will have to check more), so will stick with the smallest dose. Im nervous as i want to make sure i stick to basic functionality, thank you all for what you have shared. May i ask what are some tips for this, just one dose per day, and with a break in between? The only real question i wonder about is if the supplements i recently added in will have any sort of affect on this action?

The supplements are the following-
Phosphatidylserine-
Huperzine-A
L-glutamine
Mucuna pruriens extract
I havent listed what i already partake but if can if it helps

 

[RyGly76]

TL;DR - What are some recommened supplements or remedies to be able to successful go through a quitting taper of kratom while still having a sort of handle on your life and its activites (work, school, etc)?

Hello everyone, I hope you’re all doing well. This is my first post on this forum, so I apologize if I accidentally break any rules. I started using kratom after a medical procedure that led me to take opiates. I wanted to move away from those, and I found kratom. Unfortunately, I soon began using it every day for much longer than I intended. Over time, my body became used to it, and it started to feel like a normal part of my life.



I’ve noticed that I’ve become emotionally numb(depression also played it's part) and lost interest in things I used to enjoy. Although I wasn’t as worried as I probably should have been, deep down I knew I needed to stop using it. After a long time with kratom, I’ve developed more anxiety and, a couple of years ago, I began experiencing intense paranoia. I’ve found ways to cope, mainly by trying to distract myself, but it still causes me a lot of mental pain and self-doubt. I read that others have faced similar issues, which confirmed I needed to quit.



Letting go is definitely tough but I believe it’s doable. However, I’m worried about what the days and weeks after will be like. I know the paranoia might get worse, and it’s hard to stay motivated. I’d like some advice on how to taper off kratom while still managing to live my life, work, and take classes. I understand that I might need some time for this, but I’m sure there are others who have found a way to balance everything while quitting.



I came here because I appreciate the focus on harm reduction and the supportive community. I’ve been reading posts about supplements that can help with the process and the feelings that follow. I’ve tried quitting before, but the heightened paranoia brought me back to using. I want to replace the negative additive habits i develop out of feelings with positive feelings(optional lol) and healthier activities with personal growth. I know this journey takes time, and it was tough to learn that it can take years for the brain to heal, but I am grateful a place like this exist, as we can speak to each other, learn and educate ourselves, read and connect via shared experiences, and ask for help when crying during late night insomnia, and even give back even if it just a shared story or moment. It’s scary to feel so vulnerable, you will feel during these times and your emotions are so strong that you want to find a sense of community or hope by speaking to others knowing and recovery each other to the version of ourselves we each plan to become.

I was hooked on kratom for about 4 years and it was hard to break away. I had a really good job and didn't want to fall apart mentally. I took the easy way out and went on a methadone taper which wasn't easy to get rid of lol. Depending on how much your doing a day, you might have to bite the bullet and turn to a low dose methidone or suboxone regiment. Of course do this as a last resort. Try teas, suppliments, etc for anxiety. Good luck friend