jimborg
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After a moderately disappointing experience with hydromorphone this weekend I thought I would document it to perhaps prevent someone else in the same situation from wasting expensive drug.
History: Long-term Suboxone therapy, 4mg per day for 18 months taken everyday like clockwork, sublingually with zero relapses in that time.
Substance in question: Hydromorphone 8mg imprint 54 403, white scored tablet, Roxane pharmaceuticals. Took 40 mg over 16.5 hours.
T +00:00 - It has been 72 hours since my last dose of Suboxone. I'm experiencing moderate withdrawal symptoms - primarily anxiety, agitation/restlessness, sweating and muscle aches.
Thinking this means I have waited long enough (and based on some of the timeframes I have read), I crush 4mg of hydromorphone in a pill crusher I got from Wal-Mart (great investment) and insufflate it in a single line.
This is my first time insufflating this drug and I'm amazed at how smoothly it goes down. I'm enjoying the bitter post-nasal drip. I just obtained 15 tablets and am waiting for rigs and filters to arrive in the mail, so this seems like the next best option from a bioavailability standpoint.
I go lay in bed and watch some Family Guy on the DVR waiting for the opiate high to kick in.
T +00:30 - Thirty minutes later (one episode) and I'm feeling a slight lessening of my withdrawal symptoms, but certainly nothing close to euphoria. I decide to crush and insufflate the other half-tablet (another 4mg). I go back to watching TV.
T +00:15 - Now I'm feeling a slight warmth. The withdrawal symptoms are completely gone. Still not what I remember as opiate euphoria. I use some nasal decongestant nose spray to try and wash any remaining drug out of my nose and hopefully increase absorption.
T + 00:30 - The nose spray seems to have helped a little bit, and I feel as though I've absorbed more drug. The warmth has spread some more, I have a bit of that lovely itchiness and I have a nice sense of well-being. Still, there was no rush, there is no true euphoria, and I'm mainly just tired.
T +01:30 - At this point I'm mainly just very tired. Still have a general sense of well-being, but I'm kind of bummed out that I didn't get that full-on total mu-agonist sensation that I remember from a year and a half ago. However, I don't want to waste more tablets at this point while I'm still waiting for rigs/filters to arrive in the mail when I'm unsure what the full effect will even be.
T +09:30 - I wake up in the morning and lo and behold, the withdrawal symptoms have returned to a certain extent. Restless, sore muscles, and anxious with a twinge of dysphoria to remind me that the last night's experiment was mostly a failure. Going against the rational side of me that is saying to wait a couple of days until the withdrawal is in full-gear, I decide to try my luck again, this time insufflating an entire 8mg tablet at once.
T +09:45 - No rush, hardly feeling anything (probably didn't wait long enough for the effects to kick in), I say to myself (irrationally) fuck this insufflation, my nose is out to fucking get me and refuses to absorb narcotics the way I want it to! So I swallow another 8mg tablet for good measure, thinking at the very least I'll get something out of this experience, even though oral BA is garbage.
T +10:00 - Finally, I've got a hint of that full-fledged opiate glow. All worries and anxiety, soreness, agitation, etc. are gone. My head is pleasantly floaty, and I feel energized. I go out for lunch with my wife and go shopping for some new clothes. The entire 3 hours we're out and about is pleasant. I'm talkative and feeling nice.
However, this is still nothing compared to how I used to feel after popping 40mg of hydrocodone a year and a half ago before I started Suboxone.
T +16:00 - The drug I took earlier this morning has completely worn off and I'm feeling low again with a bit of agitation. Once again, against all good reason, I decide to insufflate 2 more tablets (16 mg) and that will be IT for the weekend. The remaining 10 tablets I will save for when my rigs arrive so that I can use them for this (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=455786) project.
I crush the two tablets in my pill crusher, make them into two fat lines, and up the schnozz they go. I'm still amazed at how smoothly they go down, and at how my nose isn't stuffy or anything like it is when I do coke. I sit down at the computer to peruse the internet and play a little WoW.
T +16:10 - This time I'm definitely feeling (I think) the full experience of insufflating hydromorphone. I feel a warmth in my chest, that floaty feeling from head to toe and am getting the opiate itches. I feel great, and once again energized. This is why I love opiates. In the right dose, for me, they're very stimulatory. I guess in general I tend to be somewhat lazy, with a general malaise that often keeps me from completing tasks or achieving goals. Right now I feel like I could do anything.
Still, I'm a bit underwhelmed. I expected more from such a potent opiate. Some part of me still blames the Suboxone.
T +16:30 - The experience is peaking for me. Not much to say about it except that this is basically how I remember opiates, except still, not quite as intense as when I used to pop 4 Norco. I'm wondering how long I should wait (after my rigs arrive) to try a shot of this stuff IV.
It will be at least another 72 hours until my gear gets here, and I'm going to go that whole time opiate free. I'm thinking by that time the Suboxone withdrawal (physical) will be over, and I should be in fairly major withdrawal from the hydromorphone if anything. Since it took 16 mg intranasal to get a good sense of euphoria, and that amounts to 8 mg IV, I'm debating with myself about whether to go for a 4 mg shot or 8 mg shot first once my rigs arrive.
T +19:00 - The effects have mostly faded from the last dose of hydromorphone. I decide to take 0.5 mg of Klonopin to stave off the craving to redose. I won't bother going into detail about the effects from the Klonopin, as they aren't that interesting. It basically just sedated me, kept me from worrying about more opiates and allowed me to take a nap. I woke up feeling decent and well-rested and went about distracting myself with other things.
All in all, I'm really not impressed with insufflating hydromorphone, although I can't be sure how much of this experience was clouded from my long-term Suboxone use. I remember vividly the effects of this drug when taken IV from multiple hospital stays (I have Crohn's disease), so I know that I'm in for a treat once my gear arrives. In the meantime, I'm comfortable abstaining to keep from wasting any more. It simply didn't compare.
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History: Long-term Suboxone therapy, 4mg per day for 18 months taken everyday like clockwork, sublingually with zero relapses in that time.
Substance in question: Hydromorphone 8mg imprint 54 403, white scored tablet, Roxane pharmaceuticals. Took 40 mg over 16.5 hours.
T +00:00 - It has been 72 hours since my last dose of Suboxone. I'm experiencing moderate withdrawal symptoms - primarily anxiety, agitation/restlessness, sweating and muscle aches.
Thinking this means I have waited long enough (and based on some of the timeframes I have read), I crush 4mg of hydromorphone in a pill crusher I got from Wal-Mart (great investment) and insufflate it in a single line.
This is my first time insufflating this drug and I'm amazed at how smoothly it goes down. I'm enjoying the bitter post-nasal drip. I just obtained 15 tablets and am waiting for rigs and filters to arrive in the mail, so this seems like the next best option from a bioavailability standpoint.
I go lay in bed and watch some Family Guy on the DVR waiting for the opiate high to kick in.
T +00:30 - Thirty minutes later (one episode) and I'm feeling a slight lessening of my withdrawal symptoms, but certainly nothing close to euphoria. I decide to crush and insufflate the other half-tablet (another 4mg). I go back to watching TV.
T +00:15 - Now I'm feeling a slight warmth. The withdrawal symptoms are completely gone. Still not what I remember as opiate euphoria. I use some nasal decongestant nose spray to try and wash any remaining drug out of my nose and hopefully increase absorption.
T + 00:30 - The nose spray seems to have helped a little bit, and I feel as though I've absorbed more drug. The warmth has spread some more, I have a bit of that lovely itchiness and I have a nice sense of well-being. Still, there was no rush, there is no true euphoria, and I'm mainly just tired.
T +01:30 - At this point I'm mainly just very tired. Still have a general sense of well-being, but I'm kind of bummed out that I didn't get that full-on total mu-agonist sensation that I remember from a year and a half ago. However, I don't want to waste more tablets at this point while I'm still waiting for rigs/filters to arrive in the mail when I'm unsure what the full effect will even be.
T +09:30 - I wake up in the morning and lo and behold, the withdrawal symptoms have returned to a certain extent. Restless, sore muscles, and anxious with a twinge of dysphoria to remind me that the last night's experiment was mostly a failure. Going against the rational side of me that is saying to wait a couple of days until the withdrawal is in full-gear, I decide to try my luck again, this time insufflating an entire 8mg tablet at once.
T +09:45 - No rush, hardly feeling anything (probably didn't wait long enough for the effects to kick in), I say to myself (irrationally) fuck this insufflation, my nose is out to fucking get me and refuses to absorb narcotics the way I want it to! So I swallow another 8mg tablet for good measure, thinking at the very least I'll get something out of this experience, even though oral BA is garbage.
T +10:00 - Finally, I've got a hint of that full-fledged opiate glow. All worries and anxiety, soreness, agitation, etc. are gone. My head is pleasantly floaty, and I feel energized. I go out for lunch with my wife and go shopping for some new clothes. The entire 3 hours we're out and about is pleasant. I'm talkative and feeling nice.
However, this is still nothing compared to how I used to feel after popping 40mg of hydrocodone a year and a half ago before I started Suboxone.
T +16:00 - The drug I took earlier this morning has completely worn off and I'm feeling low again with a bit of agitation. Once again, against all good reason, I decide to insufflate 2 more tablets (16 mg) and that will be IT for the weekend. The remaining 10 tablets I will save for when my rigs arrive so that I can use them for this (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=455786) project.
I crush the two tablets in my pill crusher, make them into two fat lines, and up the schnozz they go. I'm still amazed at how smoothly they go down, and at how my nose isn't stuffy or anything like it is when I do coke. I sit down at the computer to peruse the internet and play a little WoW.
T +16:10 - This time I'm definitely feeling (I think) the full experience of insufflating hydromorphone. I feel a warmth in my chest, that floaty feeling from head to toe and am getting the opiate itches. I feel great, and once again energized. This is why I love opiates. In the right dose, for me, they're very stimulatory. I guess in general I tend to be somewhat lazy, with a general malaise that often keeps me from completing tasks or achieving goals. Right now I feel like I could do anything.
Still, I'm a bit underwhelmed. I expected more from such a potent opiate. Some part of me still blames the Suboxone.
T +16:30 - The experience is peaking for me. Not much to say about it except that this is basically how I remember opiates, except still, not quite as intense as when I used to pop 4 Norco. I'm wondering how long I should wait (after my rigs arrive) to try a shot of this stuff IV.
It will be at least another 72 hours until my gear gets here, and I'm going to go that whole time opiate free. I'm thinking by that time the Suboxone withdrawal (physical) will be over, and I should be in fairly major withdrawal from the hydromorphone if anything. Since it took 16 mg intranasal to get a good sense of euphoria, and that amounts to 8 mg IV, I'm debating with myself about whether to go for a 4 mg shot or 8 mg shot first once my rigs arrive.
T +19:00 - The effects have mostly faded from the last dose of hydromorphone. I decide to take 0.5 mg of Klonopin to stave off the craving to redose. I won't bother going into detail about the effects from the Klonopin, as they aren't that interesting. It basically just sedated me, kept me from worrying about more opiates and allowed me to take a nap. I woke up feeling decent and well-rested and went about distracting myself with other things.
All in all, I'm really not impressed with insufflating hydromorphone, although I can't be sure how much of this experience was clouded from my long-term Suboxone use. I remember vividly the effects of this drug when taken IV from multiple hospital stays (I have Crohn's disease), so I know that I'm in for a treat once my gear arrives. In the meantime, I'm comfortable abstaining to keep from wasting any more. It simply didn't compare.
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This first reply will be the IM experience and I'll follow that up with IV:
