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(Hydrocodone/85mg) + potentiation, experienced, - "Hydro"

Shadauxs

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Tonight’s drug totals:
85 mg Hydrocodone
1 mg Alprazolam
50 mg diphenhydramine HCL
Large bowl of top grade medical Marijuana
12.5 mg Zolpidem (separate)

So tonight will be a large combination of my beloved Marijuana and Hydrocodone, mostly Hydrocodone ;). I have 6+ years of extensive drug use; I’ve probably smoked hundreds of pounds in my lifetime to give you an idea (18 years old, studying at TCNJ). I’ve experimented with MJ, JWH 018/073/210/250, amphetamines, coke, LSD, DXM, ketamine, alprazolam (xanax), oxycodone, codeine, 4-AcO-DMT (synthetic Psilocybin essentially), mushrooms, absinthe, 2c-b, molly (MDMA), diphenhydramine HCL (ew), alcohol and tobacco (obviously), zolpidem, zolpicone, and finally vyvanse (pro drug amphetamine, lasts 18-24 hours and is very strong at high doses, just a terrible drug upper overall).

So tonight my friend and ex-gf M and I are hanging out waiting for this experience, she’s my pseudo-sitter, but it’s definitely not needed with what I’m doing tonight. Don’t let that throw you; I’m going to get so high I probably won’t be able to stay awake. We used to date and she lives really close by, so why not... my parents are asleep and never wake up, no matter how much noise we make down here.

I’ve had severe tendonitis in my right elbow from tennis, guitar, and extensive online gaming. Recently it tore, I needed surgery, and my doc gave me a prescription of Vicodin, 10/500’s. That’s 10 mg Hydrocodone and 500 mg APAP, acetaminophen, paracetemol or Tylenol… Whatever you want to call it. He gave me 60, with 2 refills! This was also not the first Vicodin script he’s given me, I had 7.5’s before. I don’t go through withdrawals yet as I’ve been taking 5-7 days off per high. I also have a large prescription of Xanax for anxiety and killing bad trips. Just to educate those who may not know, anything over 4000 mg of acetaminophen at one time or one day can be very dangerous to your liver; a cold-water extract is worth looking into (CWE).

Let us begin.

10:30pm – Down the hatch goes 8 of my Vicodin (80mg hydrocodone, APAP limit), 2x25mg benadryl (diphenhydramine HCL) an antihistamine that mildly potentiates opiates and aids in providing a nod due to how tired it makes you, and 1mg of Xanax (alprazolam). It takes about 6 mg of xanax to get me buzzed (VERY high tolerance), that 1mg was just thrown in to potentiate the hydrocodone. Benzodiazepines definitely potentiate opiates. So… a very large dose of opiates, with 2 potentiators, should be fun. Going to smoke high-grade cannabis throughout as well, of course!

11:25 – Not feeling a thing yet, haven’t eaten in 3 hours. Decide to take half of another vicodin, 500mg over the APAP limit. Don’t do what I just did here, very bad for your liver. We’re now up to 85 mg of Hydrocodone, I’ve never done more than 80 mg.

11:30 – My good friend M arrived as I had invited her before, she looked unbelievablely good as usual. Still not feeling anything. Not a surprise, I have quite the opiate tolerance at this point because of all the pain I’ve been in for the last 9 months. Also, I didn’t break or crush the pills in any way because I wanted the high to last, Hydro is a pretty short acting drug. 85 mg of Hydrocodone is a lot though. 10-20mg gets my friends nodding off.

11:45 – Feeling the very beginning of the come up, 1 hour and 15 minutes later, these pills take forever to dissolve. Going to smoke some top quality California medical cannabis when this Hydrocodone starts to peak. I’ll be updating you all right before I go out to smoke of course. Sexy M is setting up the bong and grinding the bud for me, pretty damn cool.

12:00 - Just thought I’d mention the come up is finally in swing, not high but feeling warmth coming on.

12:15 – This happens every time I do large amounts of Hydrocodone. I wait long enough with no effects that I come to the conclusion that my tolerance is too high to feel it, and I take more. Not doing that this time, I’m already over the not even very safe 4 gram APAP limit. I don’t recommend hitting the 4 gram limit if you drink a lot (I don’t), really care about your liver, or are small 90-130 lbs. I’m 170 at 6’2”. This doesn’t mean I’m being responsible, 4500 mg of APAP all at once is plain dangerous, don’t do what I’m doing.

I remember the last time I did Hydrocodone pretty clearly; it was about a week ago, 70 mg. I waited 1 hour and 30 minutes and didn’t feel a thing, took 2 more thinking 1 hour and 30 minutes on an empty stomach was enough. At 2 hours in the 70 mg kicked in and I felt like a dope for wasting the other 2 that just prolonged the high a little bit. Hopefully in 15 minutes (12:30) I’ll be warm and fuzzy and coming up quickly. I don’t expect the peak until 3-4 hours after ingestion. Despite this, I am surprised that due to the two potentiators I took (Diphen HCl, Alprazolam) that I’m not pretty high already.

12:30am – My predictions were correct, stomach is feeling super empty and a little queasy, and the come up is starting. I’m expecting to feel really good at 12:45. Probably going to smoke a VERY large bowl of that high-grade bud at 1:30 or 2 depending on how the opiates are feeling. The bowl will be large enough to finish my stash, so it will probably be more than one bowl, maybe 3 or 4. I just recently got off of probation (two weeks ago) so I haven’t had the opportunity to combine weed and hydrocodone except for once but I don’t remember it at all due to complications. This is because the weed would have screwed over my 6-month probation, but the hydrocodone is a prescription so it was allowed. Same with the xanax. I passed my probation with flying colors, it has been expunged, and no one will ever know it happened. Legally, it’s like it never did.

Although, I haven’t done Hydrocodone + Cannabis other than this time and once recently, I’ve done hydrocodone and JWH-250 many many times, but I can’t remember much of it except for that it was absolutely fantastic... simply amazing. I did have to redose the 250 around every 20 minutes though. JWH-250 tends to be speedy and anxious like a great sativa bud, the Hydrocodone gets rid of all the nasty JWH side affects and makes it almost impossible to overdose from the JWH, you can just keep smoking it with almost no worry of bugging out, which is usually something to be very careful about, people OD on JWH compounds far too often.

12:45 – Again, predictions were correct, coming up nicely, feeling warm and fuzzy. I lifted really hard and long today at the gym and could barely move about an hour ago, now I can’t even tell I lifted today. That’s all for now.

12:55 – Feeling some great Euphoria. Warm, fuzzy, and completely numb otherwise. Obviously feeling amazing, but it’s just the beginning. Can’t even tell my elbow is so crippled and injured, and I can’t tell I lifted for 3 hours today. Probably going to smoke at 1:30 as I’m expecting the peak to be right around there. After I smoke I may stop updating so promptly, I probably wont be able to type much. Maybe M will type while I orate, we’ll see.

1:05 – Definitely feeling wonderful. Actually getting some visuals this time, mainly accentuated/emphasized shadows and some nice color contrast. Not often do I get visuals on any sort of opioid. I shouldn’t be surprised; 85 mg of Hydrocodone is slightly ridiculous. Going to smoke the already packed and dank bowl at 1:30. I’ll update when I get back inside.

1:33 - Bowl smoked, hits held for quite a while. Needless to say I can barely feel my body, it doesn’t really feel like it exists. I definitely feel a little dissociated. Everything is extremely bright, contrasted, and spinning all in a good way. Feel like I did some molly. Zero pain and extreme euphoria. The euphoria is getting overwhelming. Getting higher as I write this update, went out for the bowl at 1:25. It’s getting hard to see the keys and put together words, bye for now.

1:55 – So high pretty much fell asleep with M on the couch. It’s so hard to type, everything is moving and kaleidoscoping, changing colors and moving/melting. I’m getting insane visuals open and closed eyes, very surprising. I’ll blame it on my slightly low THC tolerance, which is usually sky high. I nodded out twice or more during the writing of this one paragraph, enough for now.

2:15 – Nodded out about 10 or so times between the last update and now while spooning on the couch with M. That’s 70’s show was on, the laughter from the show and being with M were the only reasons I kept waking up and didn’t just fall asleep for the night while I still have a ton of high left. I may do a pseudo speedball by drinking a rockstar or two. Nodded out writing the most recent two sentences, too euphoric and I’m hallucinating quite drastically for an opiate, smoked so much weed though all at once while peaking. Can’t write nodding out between every word.

2:28 – M is going to leave cause I can’t stop nodding and M has lyme disease and is passing out quite quickly as well. She lives close by (3 minute drive), so it’s worth going home for her own bed. If my parents aren’t around we just share mine, they’d be pissed if we woke up together and they noticed. I’m nodding and hallucinating too hard to write. I’m like watching TV on the white background of this white document just from the hallucinations. Tried playing guitar and the neck frets merged together and I couldn’t see them. I’ve never experienced such strong visuals on opiates before, the weed was a fantastic addition. And I’m sure the xanax and diphen did a little bit to boost an already very high 85 mg of Hydrocodone. Didn’t get sick from the insane amount of APAP thankfully. I’ll update during the comedown, the hallucinations combined with the nodding has made typing far too difficult and time consuming. – 2:43

3:00 – I can’t stop falling asleep, going to edit the last two paragraphs a lot of it doesn’t make sense. I might crush up a 12.5 mg half time release half instant release Ambien CR (Zolpidem), largest dose of zolpidem made by the people who first started ambien to patent a different pill, not the now generic Zolpidem, and charge a fortune because they now have a new patent. It’s supposed to put you to sleep and keep you asleep instead of putting you to sleep then leaving you to wake up because it wears off so fast if the pill is not half time release. That took forever, nodded like 5 times, why’d I even bother explaining. – 3:15

4:01 - fell asleep until about 10 minutes before now 3:50. So far in 28 minutes this paragraph took to write I’ve fallen asleep on my keyboard 10 times and woke up to 30+ pages of the same letter (whichever letter my face/hand fell on). I’m done, it just happened again, I continue to wake up to pages upon pages of the same letter. I can’t fall asleep on my laptop for the night unless it’s in my room so my parents don’t find me face down on my laptop in the morning when my dad goes to work. I’ve nodded way too many times writing this paragraph, eventually I won’t wake up and they’ll find me nodded out down here. 4:29

4:37am – crushed an ambien (Zolpidem) with my teeth and downed it. Won’t be long now until I’m practically in a coma, I hope you got some useful information from this report, I probably sacrificed some of my liver for it.

Summary afterwards –
All in all it was a great experience. Half of it I was alone and the other half I was with a great friend (with benefits). I often like being alone the most when I’m this high, or maybe one close friend; back-scratches certainly are awesome on this much of an opioid. The weed and the comfort given from the opposite sex were such great additions to my intense stoning of this week. Zero anxiety, huge loads of amazing mental and physical euphoria, wonderful and frequent nods, and surprisingly amazing and strong visuals. Well I mean if you think about it I took 17 normal vicodin, the same as 8.5 10 mg vicodin, just with twice the APAP over the 10 mg hydros; 17 5/500’s could certainly kill you with ease, Tylenol overdoses are no joke. And even with this tolerance that’s a lot Hydrocodone and two great potentiators, as well as an empty stomach. I also had 4 mg of xanax throughout the day; this one was my 5th mg of the day and they do build up a bit in your system over the course of a day. The benadryl made me nod so hard pretty early into the high, I love nodding. It also helped with the itching of course.

So all in all I highly recommend trying Hydrocodone, high grade Marijuana, diphenhydramine HCL (benadryl, 1-3 tablets of 25mg), and a small to medium amount of a benzodiazepine, preferably alprazolam as it lasts just about as long as the vicodin. *Don’t under any circumstances use the levels I used unless you’re positive that’s where your tolerance is. For someone with zero tolerance it would only take about 10-20 mg hydro, 25 mg benadryl, .5 mg xanax, and a bit of bud to experience what I did tonight. It was one of the most enjoyable 3-4 hours of my life and all I did was sit on a couch with a jean model watching TV and nodding out. I need to do this with an 80 mg of OC next time; I’ll have to get it illegally, shouldn’t be too hard. I’d probably take half, wait 45-60 minutes the snort the other 40 mg, then hit a bowl. OH MAN, getting super excited just thinking about it. Keep it chill, be responsible about developing addictions (know how much you can control yourself :!), and enjoy them above all else!

Edit: will be doing CWE next attempt, will update on different effects.
 
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What you need to understand is that you cannot push the limit of apap on a continuous basis without damaging your system. Read through the Cold Water Extraction Mega Thread. It is a very simple technique which removes nearly all the acetaminophen without sacrificing any of the good stuff. It also produces a cleaner high by eliminating the body load and toxicity of high dose acetaminophen.

Welcome to Bluelight.
 
What you need to understand is that you cannot push the limit of apap on a continuous basis without damaging your system. Read through the Cold Water Extraction Mega Thread. It is a very simple technique which removes nearly all the acetaminophen without sacrificing any of the good stuff. It also produces a cleaner high by eliminating the body load and toxicity of high dose acetaminophen.

Welcome to Bluelight.

This is a good point, definitely aware of it. I'm either going to CWE for the next high or wait a few weeks to get my tolerance low enough that I don't have to come near the APAP limit. I don't get withdrawals so it's really just a matter of having a shred of self-control. Thanks for the welcome! :)

Since I got the script I've been wanting to CWE the whole thing to maximize efficiency, but if my parents one day ask where the script is I'd have some explaining to do, my mom asks for one every once in a while for pain. If it's worth CWEing for each dose, I'm going that route form now on. Going to test run 8 CWE'd pills tonight with the same potentiators and weed, and let you all know if I felt a difference, be it slightly less hydro, or less body load from the lack of APAP. It also won't take 2 damn hours to kick in...
 
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What you need to understand is that you cannot push the limit of apap on a continuous basis without damaging your system. Read through the Cold Water Extraction Mega Thread. It is a very simple technique which removes nearly all the acetaminophen without sacrificing any of the good stuff. It also produces a cleaner high by eliminating the body load and toxicity of high dose acetaminophen.

Welcome to Bluelight.


It is alright (dare I use that word for the sake of harm reduction) to use the max 4 grams of apap two days in a row or so, waiting 24 hours in between
right?

Like yesterday I took 12 10/325 (so 3900mg of apap) at 3:30 pm, then today at 3:00pm I did the same thing...

Generally speaking it should be ok right? I have more but I think I am going to wait a couple days before even CWE any so that apap can start leaving my system.

I just kind of figured doing that twice should not be too big of an issue. This is my last script of the shit anyway for a long while.

I know though you're suppose to CWE the shit, so please don't jump on me about that I'm just looking for opinions on how bad that really is. I definitely do not do that on a daily basis... more like 2 times every week and a half.
 
Something surprising happened to me last night. For the last couple days I've been surfing the opiates section of these forums, I'm usually lurking in the psychedelic portions. I came across some H posts and people describing the first time trying H. I said to myself only two days ago, "I'm never trying H"

My friend has a house to himself, he was going to buy some instant release OC 30's for us to freebase/rail. His guy comes by and whips out a bundle of stamps (10 around here). White china, showed us a purity test, let my friend try a free stamp. My friend is a sneaky little Korean. He told us he was getting OC when the whole time he was getting the H. We had ordered pizza at the time and we let his dealer have a bit, so he was generous. Extremely pure shit, my friend was turning white after railing one stamp.

It was so pure it just looked like crushed up OC. I couldn't pussy out, justified it by saying OC is pretty much H anyway. So two days after I said I'd never try H, I did 8)

We all did the same amount, snorted a stamp and a half. Problem was 1 of my friends had a small opiate tolerance (the one who bought it), and the other had none. I'm also about 4-6" taller than both of them, we're all fit for our height.

We all took the same amount cause only my one friend payed for it. They were SOO high, nodding, turning white, barely able to function. I was high, not nearly as high as 85mg hydro. It did feel SUPER clean compared to any opiate I've done, and it did get me feeling nice pretty quickly (less than 5 minutes), but I really am disappointed that my first and hopefully only time I did H I half-assed it. 2 stamps would have been perfect. If only I had brought my hydrocodone with me for a booster. Oh well, live and learn.

It was definitely tough not to ask for another stamp when both of your friends are nodding out on a couch while you pace around wishing you were as high as them. Some bud definitely helped me catch up a bit but it was frustrating.

Well I thought I'd just share this as I can't believe I did it. Still sinking in.
 
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It is alright (dare I use that word for the sake of harm reduction) to use the max 4 grams of apap two days in a row or so, waiting 24 hours in between
right?

Like yesterday I took 12 10/325 (so 3900mg of apap) at 3:30 pm, then today at 3:00pm I did the same thing...

Generally speaking it should be ok right? I have more but I think I am going to wait a couple days before even CWE any so that apap can start leaving my system.

I just kind of figured doing that twice should not be too big of an issue. This is my last script of the shit anyway for a long while.

I know though you're suppose to CWE the shit, so please don't jump on me about that I'm just looking for opinions on how bad that really is. I definitely do not do that on a daily basis... more like 2 times every week and a half.

The FDA recently changed their stance on the acceptable amount of apap to consume within a 24 hour period from 4g to 3g.

My stance on the chemical is that it is toxic and just unnecessary to consume. It is not even that effective of an analgesic. There are theories that so much apap is added to certain opiates just as a deterrent to abuse. CWE's are so quick and simple to perform. They really help eliminate the stress on one's system and also produce a cleaner high and a much faster onset.
 
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Did 100mg using a CWE. I loved how fast and hard it came on, those pills take forever to dissolve and hit you. 15 minutes tops until I was feeling incredible.
 
^Nice.

and just thought I would mention that the LD-50 of apap is 8g. Deaths have been reported with doses as low as 6g. That should give an idea of how stressful it is on the liver.
 
^Nice.

and just thought I would mention that the LD-50 of apap is 8g. Deaths have been reported with doses as low as 6g. That should give an idea of how stressful it is on the liver.

Yeah, I know a few people who fucked their liver doing opiates while drinking, not knowing how much stress apap + alcohol together can cause on your liver.

So that white china I tried the other day, haven't done it again on principal and to keep the tolerance under control, but me and some friends had some at the house. My best friend who did 50mg hydro CWE'd with me the other day (decent tolerance) railed a half a stamp of the china, blue label, and took two huge gravity bong hits. He turned white and in about five minutes he put his head on his arms on a table. Started puking over and over between his legs. Maybe 6 times. He wasn't responding the whole time but we just thought he didn't want to make the effort to talk while throwing up that violently.

He finishes throwing up and we can't get any response out of him. He was unconscious the entire time he threw up, about 5 to 10 minutes, and we had no idea. I almost called an ambulance but we got him back after a good amount of shaking and slaps on the back, he didn't even know he had thrown up until he smelled it and looked down at the gigantic puddle of puke. 15 minutes later he was feeling great. Scared the shit out of me to say the least. I've been pretty much brothers with him for over 16 years. Hopefully it gave him a good scare, he needs to take it easy. He's a struggling addict and the last thing I need is him getting addicted to opiates. He's mentally addicted to weed, but who isn't lol.
 
Wow I had no idea the LD 50 of APAP was 8 g. No wonder why the time I took 10 grams all at once I got sick to my stomach. Had a nasty habit of about 15 - 25 Norco 10/325's a day, and my dealer ended up getting stuck with some 7.5 / 750's and I took a bunch of them.

Guess I got lucky. Fuck APAP

The only two things that saved me were probably A) I had a huge tolerance at the time and I have a general high tolerance to all drugs to begin with. and B) I am a large, healthy male, 6' tall and at the time i weighed about 195lbs (now im about 225 lbs).
 
wow 10 grams of APAP. You can be pretty certain that did some damage. I'd go get a liver enzyme function test, your liver may be in BAD shape. It's worth looking into, as the liver is one of those organs that has an incredible ability to heal itself if you give it the opportunity.
 
let my tolerance go down a bit, did 70mg CWE'd just 3 hours ago. Parents were out for the beginning. Was nodding out so quickly and repeatedly on my couch I had to do something. I have bipolar type II, its a much less severe version of bi-polar type one (basically short periods of time slightly depressed, then normal and happy most of the time) and I'm coming down on my xanax prescription so I'm constantly wired. I can't go near caffiene anymore, my rebulls, starbucks frappacinos, and rockstars are developing dust, I cant even go near one, haven't in months. I drank an entire starbucks frap, an entire 16 oz rockstar. Wasn't enough, still kept falling asleep on my laptop keyborad. Had to have a redbull. Parents are home now and I'm nodding slightly. at least 350-400mg of caffeine. Normally I'd be having a panic attack/heart attack or like clean the whole house for hours.

I got TONS of extra xanax day by pulling a legal pharmacy trick, so I did 5mg beforehand and 2 benadryl. That probably had a lot to due with the nodding.
 
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Nice report, I've never tried hydrocodone but I love oxycodone.

On an unrelated note, I see you go to TCNJ? Me too. Small world huh? Last semester I smoked weed pretty much every day, so I've probably seen you outside smoking haha.
 
I was a freshman, I only smoked inside cause of the huge police force. I had two good sophomore friends who could pm get their hands on any drug or RC made. they had a bathroom in their room. just turn on the vent and shower, proceed to rip roor.
 
I was a freshman too, my friend and I always went outside because someone on our floor got busted for smoking in their room. My friend that I'm rooming with next year just got a vape, so that shouldn't be a problem next year.

Well I don't want to derail this thread any further, so I'll shoot you a PM. Well, I'll send you one once I'm able to, that is.
 
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oh damn; definitely shoot me a pm, my best friend had a volcano for 3 years. I don't remember any of those 3 years. My friends are now gonna be juniors and have a house off campus. I could introduce you.
 
There are theories? no... its a blindingly obvious fact, everyone knows it.

yeah I was surprised it was even mentioned, I said a couple times in my report how dangerous APAP can be and that CWE's are the way to go. I was just too lazy... Been doing a lot of them lately, 3g-4g of APAP consistently is just too taxing on the liver.
 
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I've been doing CWE's pretty consistently now. I let my tolerance go down to about the point where 50 mg would get me nice and high, but the last few times it hasn't been as strong as it should have. I was noticing a little bit of a loss of effects. So, I decided to do 50 mg CWE'd, then wait about 3-4 days so my tolerance would be about the same. Took 50 mg by cutting them into quarters, then chewed them into bits. I got what felt like 60 mg or 70 mg compared to the 50 mg CWE'd. I do the CWE's perfectly, I'm an OCD perfectionist when it comes to specific things, especially chemistry (chem major at TCNJ). I'd have to guess I lose about 10% hydrocodone when I CWE... I even take the first coffee filter after liquid stops passing through, squeeze it dry by compressing it between two spoons, and pass what comes out through another clean coffee filter. I really do them perfectly. Maybe my tolerance has just been unpredictable but as long as I'm taking doses under 3g of APAP I'm going to stick to chewing them to bits. I don't drink at all so I'm not that worried about my liver. It will have plenty of time to heal before it could become a problem, I'm only 18.
 
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railed 100mg OC a while ago, now THAT was an experience. Opiate free for 3 weeks now to let the tolerance go down, when it takes 50mg railed OC to get a buzz... time to take a break... for a casual like me that is
 
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