How to IM your RCs & what 2 expect
Hello, I am a new poster but long time viewer. I have been in the RC scene since about 1999. I have experience with the following RCs 5-meo-dmt, 4-ho-dipt, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, 5-meo-dalt, JHW-(018, 200, 073, 019), PFPP, 2C-(e, I, c, & t-2) and 4-meo-pcp. Just for more background, I have used just about every drug of abuse at one time or another plus a number of herbals like Kratom, Poppy pods, mulungu, NAPE, Klip Daga and Salvia.
I am now getting close to young middle aged and over the years my use has switch from abuse more to self medication and soul searching specifically leveraging psychedelics as that is the class I identify with the most (including things like Ket). I do not have easy access to the drugs of my youth as I have very few friends that use anything more than weed, which really isn’t my thing.
My preference is to use RCs via IM injection as I can control the affects and duration much easier than via any other route and this method uses much less material. Unfortunately there does not seem to be a wide amount of information on this ROA for the different RCs I have used so I am always breaking new ground. I decided to provide my experiences for other to benefit.
Preping Injections:
First you need to figure what the RC of your choice is soluble in. My three favorite things to use are Bacteriostatic Water, DMSO, or Ethanol. Here is a list of what is soluble in what based on my experiance.
Soluable in Bacteriostatic Water:
5-meo-dmt, 4-ho-dipt, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, PFPP, 2C-(e, I, c, & t-2). Please note that the while the tryptamines listed here are easily soluble in water, they degrade very quickly. If you are going to store them in solution I suggest 98% Ethanol, kept in a airtight vial in the freezer. This seems to last for weeks vs days in water. See Ethanol for more details.
Known not Soluble in Water:
5-Meo-Dalt, most JWH RCs, & 4-Meo-PCP.
Note on DMSO and Ethanol: When I use one of these as a solvent I use the purest solvent I can get usually 98-99%. I dissolve the RC in the pure solvent and mark the MG/ML and solvent on the vial. While you can inject pure DMSO and Ethanol IM, it burns like hell. For most RCs you can draw up the exact dose into a syringe then add enough bacteriostatic water to the syringe to make the injection more comfortable. Usually 50% or less solvent. Most RCs will then precipitate out of the solution but that doesn’t matter since you still know exactly how much of a dosage is injected.
Soluble in DMSO:
5-Meo-Dalt, & most JWH RCs
Soluble in Ethanol:
Most JWH’s are soluble at around 1mg in pure Ethanol, 4-meo-PCP seems more soluable in ethanol than water but I am still playing with this. I prefer to use ethanol for tryptamines as mentioned above but 5-meo-dalt doesn't work with Ethanol..
Things to buy: (look for sites that cater to the bodybuilding RC hormone scene and they carry all of this stuff, or lab supply sites)
Watman .2um syringe filter: Removes impurities
Sterile BacterioStatic water: if you do not want to spend the $10 for 50ml of sterile BS water you get buy enough Benzyl alcohol & distilled water for $15 to make a lifetime supply of BS water assuming you cook and filter it to kill and remove any bacteria. BS water is simply sterile water with 1% benzyl alcohol added to keep it that way.
Sterile Empty vials 20ML
Everclear
99% pure DMSO
12ML syringes to attach to the filter
18g needles for the end of the syringe filter
1-3ML Syringes with 25-30 gage needles for Injection
Instructions for sterilizing:
Basically take the solution you need (boil if not sterile) to use and a known amount of RC. Then usually with luke warm solution I slowly add the solution to the RC and swirl it until everything dissolves. I then determine the volume (Solution + RC, not just how many MLs of solution used) by sucking it back into the 12ml syringe. From this I determine the Mg/ML. I then adjust the Mg/Ml to a usable level by adding more solvent. With DMSO and Ethanol I tend to try to get the dosage to be 1 dose = to 20-50units on a insulin syringe. This allows me to add 50-80u of water to the syringe prior to injection. Once the RC is dissolved and while the solution is still warm you run it through the Watman filter. I always add 1 or more ml of solution and run that through the filter in the end to push the remaining RC out of the filter. Typically you filter the product directly into the sterile vial by putting a needle on the end of the filter.
Now that you have a number of sterile RCs prepped for IM Injection here is what you can expect.
2C’s via IM:
Heed my warning and start slow unless you want to have a very rough ride up. When you IM a 2C you get a strong rush over the first 15-20 minutes as you go from baseline to peak very quickly. This can be very uncomfortable so you need to start with very low dosages and bump it up as you adjust. For instance I tend to start with 1/10th of a strong oral dosage. So for 2C-e that would be 2.5mg IM. This will give you a strong energetic rush and slight quesy feeling for 10 minutes. Then as you feel like you have adjusted you can now take another 2.5 to 5mg to bump it up. You will get another rush as you are taken to the next level. By the third injection and a total of roughly 10-12mg you will be tripping harder than if you took 30mg oral. The duration tends to be ½ the length of an oral trip (from the last dosage). You can continue to adjust the duration and intensity for the trip by bumping 2-4x your starting dosages again for as long as you want. This holds true for all 2C’s I have tried in this way. There is a difference in how comfortable the come up is between the different 2C’s based on potency. Here is a general overview of what the come up of the different 2Cs feel like at 2.5mg IM dose. Note you will need to take at least 7.5mg in total before you start really tripping on any of these.
2c-e – effects start in 5 min, very energetic, feels like you want to jump out of your skin. You will be coughing, taking deep breaths and will be a bit queasy. After 20min it will tapper off to a more easy feeling and you can dose again with a slightly higher dose like 4mg for another 20min roller coaster. By the 3rd dose you are nicely tripping and future dosages just amp up the intensity of the trip without the roller coaster assuming bumps are done at 7.5mg or less at a time after the 3rd. Total duration about 4.5 hours past last injection
2c-T2 – Same onset and 20min ride up. Less energetic, same coughing as 2c-3 but less nausea. Second dose will be much easier and the 3rd dose on is smooth. It is like having a trip intensity dial that you can play with. Again I would max out the bumps at no more than 7.5mg at a time. Duration is roughly 3.5 hours after last bump.
2c-I – Much easier comeup than with e or t2 at the same dosages. Pleasant but intense energy, no coughing and no nausea. While mid trip you could bump as much as 10mg at a time if you really wanted to jack things up without too much discomfort. Duration is about 4 hours after last dose.
2c-c – Easiest comeup of all, no nausea with initial dosage of up to 5mg. same timeline of 5 min onset and 20 min ride up but since the ride is not too intense you can redose after 10-15min. Once in the trip bumps can be done at 10-12.5mg at a time with no problem. This is the shortest acting of all with the trip only really lasting for 2.5 hours after the last dosage.
Tryptamines via IM
Unlike the 2C family the tryptamines are all pretty different. If you have ability to measure out and exact powder dosage for what you will use that day they I suggest you do this instead of trying to store most tryptamines in solution as most will breakdown quickly. IM roa for tryptamines typically means using insuffilation dosages to get a fast onset, quick peek and shorter but more intense duration.
4-ho-dipt – One of my favorites. Onset is 5 min, peak in 10min, duration 1.5 hours. I have dosed this one pretty heavy in a single shot 30-50mg. I do not suggest anyone start with that as it is a little rough. For the first time I would start at 10mg and bump the dosage to the right level with 10 minute increments. At higher dosages you will get tremors in your legs as the quickly peak, Then you will be cast into a wonderful expanse of outerspace where you can play god.
5-meo-dmt – I only did this once and I hated it. Injection was better than smoking but not what I would call fun or enlightening. I can’t remember the dosage or onset. Also it wet bad in solution in less than a day.
5-meo-dalt – For this tryptamine you need to use DMSO because it will not go into water. To get a large enough dose 15-25mg you need to inject a decent amount 1/2cc DMSO and it hurts like a MFer. The trip is not anything to write home about so I would not bother. If you are going to use this, I like snorting it. It gives a nice energetic slightly euphoric rush and a nice hint of psycadelia to everything without real visuals.
4-ho-met – This one rocks also. Easier on the system than 4-ho-dipt. I would follow the same dosages as you use on 4-ho-dpt. At lower levels you have beautiful colors and visuals with little mindfuck. At higher levels you are floating in hyperspace and can visualize any thought. Same 90 min duration.
4-aco-dmt – I was very disappointed in this one via IM. All it did was make me tired and yawn a lot. I think the idea that this is a prodrug for 4-ho-dmt is true and 4-aco-dmt has little real affect on the mind. I assume it needs to go into the digestive track or something to properly turn into 4-ho-dmt and the IM route is not as efficient.
JWH Compounds:
Honestly although I have injected most of these you need to use DMSO or a lot of ethanol and it is simply a little less potent via IM vs smoking. My preferred way to use these RCs is to dissolve in everclear and do shots orally. It give a much nicer longer lasting week like buzz.
PFPP – I have not pushed the envelope with this one just because I am not as interested in the affects. At 7.5mg IM it gives a nice relaxing but at the same time stimulating buzz with minor psycedelia. Duration about 2 hours, comeup about 15min.
4-meo-pcp – I was very disappointed in this one. Better than what I got from 4-aco-dmt but nothing like what I expected which was a Ketamine like state. I took the dosage IM up to 300mg which if it were ketamine would have had me swimming in the Neural Soup that is my mind trying to make sense of the abstract thoughts around me regardless if my eyes were open or closed. The 300mg of 4-meo-pcp simply dulled my pain and made me comfy equivalent to maybe 20mg K. I can’t wait to try Methoxetamine.
Well that’s my brain dump on the topic I hope it is at least interesting.
~ Q: (a figment of my imagination)
Hello, I am a new poster but long time viewer. I have been in the RC scene since about 1999. I have experience with the following RCs 5-meo-dmt, 4-ho-dipt, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, 5-meo-dalt, JHW-(018, 200, 073, 019), PFPP, 2C-(e, I, c, & t-2) and 4-meo-pcp. Just for more background, I have used just about every drug of abuse at one time or another plus a number of herbals like Kratom, Poppy pods, mulungu, NAPE, Klip Daga and Salvia.
I am now getting close to young middle aged and over the years my use has switch from abuse more to self medication and soul searching specifically leveraging psychedelics as that is the class I identify with the most (including things like Ket). I do not have easy access to the drugs of my youth as I have very few friends that use anything more than weed, which really isn’t my thing.
My preference is to use RCs via IM injection as I can control the affects and duration much easier than via any other route and this method uses much less material. Unfortunately there does not seem to be a wide amount of information on this ROA for the different RCs I have used so I am always breaking new ground. I decided to provide my experiences for other to benefit.
Preping Injections:
First you need to figure what the RC of your choice is soluble in. My three favorite things to use are Bacteriostatic Water, DMSO, or Ethanol. Here is a list of what is soluble in what based on my experiance.
Soluable in Bacteriostatic Water:
5-meo-dmt, 4-ho-dipt, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, PFPP, 2C-(e, I, c, & t-2). Please note that the while the tryptamines listed here are easily soluble in water, they degrade very quickly. If you are going to store them in solution I suggest 98% Ethanol, kept in a airtight vial in the freezer. This seems to last for weeks vs days in water. See Ethanol for more details.
Known not Soluble in Water:
5-Meo-Dalt, most JWH RCs, & 4-Meo-PCP.
Note on DMSO and Ethanol: When I use one of these as a solvent I use the purest solvent I can get usually 98-99%. I dissolve the RC in the pure solvent and mark the MG/ML and solvent on the vial. While you can inject pure DMSO and Ethanol IM, it burns like hell. For most RCs you can draw up the exact dose into a syringe then add enough bacteriostatic water to the syringe to make the injection more comfortable. Usually 50% or less solvent. Most RCs will then precipitate out of the solution but that doesn’t matter since you still know exactly how much of a dosage is injected.
Soluble in DMSO:
5-Meo-Dalt, & most JWH RCs
Soluble in Ethanol:
Most JWH’s are soluble at around 1mg in pure Ethanol, 4-meo-PCP seems more soluable in ethanol than water but I am still playing with this. I prefer to use ethanol for tryptamines as mentioned above but 5-meo-dalt doesn't work with Ethanol..
Things to buy: (look for sites that cater to the bodybuilding RC hormone scene and they carry all of this stuff, or lab supply sites)
Watman .2um syringe filter: Removes impurities
Sterile BacterioStatic water: if you do not want to spend the $10 for 50ml of sterile BS water you get buy enough Benzyl alcohol & distilled water for $15 to make a lifetime supply of BS water assuming you cook and filter it to kill and remove any bacteria. BS water is simply sterile water with 1% benzyl alcohol added to keep it that way.
Sterile Empty vials 20ML
Everclear
99% pure DMSO
12ML syringes to attach to the filter
18g needles for the end of the syringe filter
1-3ML Syringes with 25-30 gage needles for Injection
Instructions for sterilizing:
Basically take the solution you need (boil if not sterile) to use and a known amount of RC. Then usually with luke warm solution I slowly add the solution to the RC and swirl it until everything dissolves. I then determine the volume (Solution + RC, not just how many MLs of solution used) by sucking it back into the 12ml syringe. From this I determine the Mg/ML. I then adjust the Mg/Ml to a usable level by adding more solvent. With DMSO and Ethanol I tend to try to get the dosage to be 1 dose = to 20-50units on a insulin syringe. This allows me to add 50-80u of water to the syringe prior to injection. Once the RC is dissolved and while the solution is still warm you run it through the Watman filter. I always add 1 or more ml of solution and run that through the filter in the end to push the remaining RC out of the filter. Typically you filter the product directly into the sterile vial by putting a needle on the end of the filter.
Now that you have a number of sterile RCs prepped for IM Injection here is what you can expect.
2C’s via IM:
Heed my warning and start slow unless you want to have a very rough ride up. When you IM a 2C you get a strong rush over the first 15-20 minutes as you go from baseline to peak very quickly. This can be very uncomfortable so you need to start with very low dosages and bump it up as you adjust. For instance I tend to start with 1/10th of a strong oral dosage. So for 2C-e that would be 2.5mg IM. This will give you a strong energetic rush and slight quesy feeling for 10 minutes. Then as you feel like you have adjusted you can now take another 2.5 to 5mg to bump it up. You will get another rush as you are taken to the next level. By the third injection and a total of roughly 10-12mg you will be tripping harder than if you took 30mg oral. The duration tends to be ½ the length of an oral trip (from the last dosage). You can continue to adjust the duration and intensity for the trip by bumping 2-4x your starting dosages again for as long as you want. This holds true for all 2C’s I have tried in this way. There is a difference in how comfortable the come up is between the different 2C’s based on potency. Here is a general overview of what the come up of the different 2Cs feel like at 2.5mg IM dose. Note you will need to take at least 7.5mg in total before you start really tripping on any of these.
2c-e – effects start in 5 min, very energetic, feels like you want to jump out of your skin. You will be coughing, taking deep breaths and will be a bit queasy. After 20min it will tapper off to a more easy feeling and you can dose again with a slightly higher dose like 4mg for another 20min roller coaster. By the 3rd dose you are nicely tripping and future dosages just amp up the intensity of the trip without the roller coaster assuming bumps are done at 7.5mg or less at a time after the 3rd. Total duration about 4.5 hours past last injection
2c-T2 – Same onset and 20min ride up. Less energetic, same coughing as 2c-3 but less nausea. Second dose will be much easier and the 3rd dose on is smooth. It is like having a trip intensity dial that you can play with. Again I would max out the bumps at no more than 7.5mg at a time. Duration is roughly 3.5 hours after last bump.
2c-I – Much easier comeup than with e or t2 at the same dosages. Pleasant but intense energy, no coughing and no nausea. While mid trip you could bump as much as 10mg at a time if you really wanted to jack things up without too much discomfort. Duration is about 4 hours after last dose.
2c-c – Easiest comeup of all, no nausea with initial dosage of up to 5mg. same timeline of 5 min onset and 20 min ride up but since the ride is not too intense you can redose after 10-15min. Once in the trip bumps can be done at 10-12.5mg at a time with no problem. This is the shortest acting of all with the trip only really lasting for 2.5 hours after the last dosage.
Tryptamines via IM
Unlike the 2C family the tryptamines are all pretty different. If you have ability to measure out and exact powder dosage for what you will use that day they I suggest you do this instead of trying to store most tryptamines in solution as most will breakdown quickly. IM roa for tryptamines typically means using insuffilation dosages to get a fast onset, quick peek and shorter but more intense duration.
4-ho-dipt – One of my favorites. Onset is 5 min, peak in 10min, duration 1.5 hours. I have dosed this one pretty heavy in a single shot 30-50mg. I do not suggest anyone start with that as it is a little rough. For the first time I would start at 10mg and bump the dosage to the right level with 10 minute increments. At higher dosages you will get tremors in your legs as the quickly peak, Then you will be cast into a wonderful expanse of outerspace where you can play god.
5-meo-dmt – I only did this once and I hated it. Injection was better than smoking but not what I would call fun or enlightening. I can’t remember the dosage or onset. Also it wet bad in solution in less than a day.
5-meo-dalt – For this tryptamine you need to use DMSO because it will not go into water. To get a large enough dose 15-25mg you need to inject a decent amount 1/2cc DMSO and it hurts like a MFer. The trip is not anything to write home about so I would not bother. If you are going to use this, I like snorting it. It gives a nice energetic slightly euphoric rush and a nice hint of psycadelia to everything without real visuals.
4-ho-met – This one rocks also. Easier on the system than 4-ho-dipt. I would follow the same dosages as you use on 4-ho-dpt. At lower levels you have beautiful colors and visuals with little mindfuck. At higher levels you are floating in hyperspace and can visualize any thought. Same 90 min duration.
4-aco-dmt – I was very disappointed in this one via IM. All it did was make me tired and yawn a lot. I think the idea that this is a prodrug for 4-ho-dmt is true and 4-aco-dmt has little real affect on the mind. I assume it needs to go into the digestive track or something to properly turn into 4-ho-dmt and the IM route is not as efficient.
JWH Compounds:
Honestly although I have injected most of these you need to use DMSO or a lot of ethanol and it is simply a little less potent via IM vs smoking. My preferred way to use these RCs is to dissolve in everclear and do shots orally. It give a much nicer longer lasting week like buzz.
PFPP – I have not pushed the envelope with this one just because I am not as interested in the affects. At 7.5mg IM it gives a nice relaxing but at the same time stimulating buzz with minor psycedelia. Duration about 2 hours, comeup about 15min.
4-meo-pcp – I was very disappointed in this one. Better than what I got from 4-aco-dmt but nothing like what I expected which was a Ketamine like state. I took the dosage IM up to 300mg which if it were ketamine would have had me swimming in the Neural Soup that is my mind trying to make sense of the abstract thoughts around me regardless if my eyes were open or closed. The 300mg of 4-meo-pcp simply dulled my pain and made me comfy equivalent to maybe 20mg K. I can’t wait to try Methoxetamine.
Well that’s my brain dump on the topic I hope it is at least interesting.
~ Q: (a figment of my imagination)
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