Heroin How to Get on Methadone?

[ilikedrugs77]

Hey, so I was wondering a couple questions about methadone. My first question is will a Methadone Clinic take anyone who is addicted to H? I have been addicted for a couple months now, and I am not planning on doing this for a couple more months because honestly I have not gotten it out of my system yet. So will they take a heroin user who has been using for 5-6 months at about 40 - 80 worth a day? The reason I'm asking this question is because I plan on doing methadone to get off of the h in the future. Basically I'm not ready yet, I still want to do H for a little longer, but I'm going back to school next year and I want to be sober before I get back into it so I can support myself. My next question is do I have to go to the clinic every day? And parallel to this question, is it worth it compared to the price of dope? Another question I have is when I decide to get off of Methadone will they help me do this in a manner that I will not get really sick from?

My last question is, is this a good idea to do the methadone thing or should I try something else such as Suboxone? I have realized that I am not going to be able to get off of the H without some type of mediation, I am really addicted (I crave h like a bitch, I get really sick when I don't have it, and I don't have the time and patience to do cold turkey.) What suggestions do you guys have for me? I just want to know what my plan is for the future when I do decide to get off the dope so I don't end up withdrawling like a motherfucker or something.

 

[maxim10553]

Let me start by saying if you are truly attempting to kick long term for the right reasons then kudos to you. If not then you should seriously rethink your issues. As far as I know a methadone clinic will take damn near anyone (who claims they have an opiate habit). Does not even have to be H. The main thing the clinics look for is if you are being prescribed benzo's. If you dont know opiods + benzos = bad news, respiratory depression, all that shit. Or so the docs say. So if you do state that you are being prescribed benzos legitamitely by a shrink the clinic will MOST likely make you notify the shrink to inform them about your decision to start taking methadone. This is the clinics effort to get the shrink to discontinue your prescription and to limit their liability. Anyway most people around here will tell you methadone is for life. Or most of at least. Once you get on and you develop a tolerance it it damn near impossible to quit. Even gradually dosing sucks balls. The clinic will promise they will do their best to assist you in gradually reducing your dose until your free from the drug however why would they really want to do this? what do clinics want? money just like everyone else so their ultimate untold goal is to keep you on your dose and keep you coming back paying 10 bucks a morning or whatever insurance you have. My advice is FUCK METHADONE STAY AWAY. Suboxone would be a much better choice for you. You are looking to eventually kick and with subs its possible you just need the right taper routine. You should find a doc whos goal is to completely detox you in 2 months or less. Less than that you are playing with fire and will probably go back out and use, any longer and your addicted to suboxone. Find a sub doc, do your homework, and kick your habit.

 

[Keif' Richards]

Most clinics are for-profit operations. In fact, most are cash only. Unless of course you're on state health care, like medicaid. In other words, yes, they want you.

I would never speculate on someone else's state of mind, but methadone is generally not for people who have given heroin a try for the past "couple months". People go on methadone because the severe consequences of their continued use is leading them to jail or death. Methadone is an opiate, and a pretty hardcore one at that. I've had an off and on relationship with IV heroin for about 5 years now, and I still use methadone to get fucked up because I genuinely enjoy it. Make no mistake, going on methadone is agreeing to become addicted to the substance for the long haul. Kick it on your own. You don't need methadone to cut heroin out of your life. Might I suggest AA or NA

 

[benzoheadplus44]

ok heres my opinion on it


methadone did all the positives for me no negatives BUT heres the catch... I caught it in time after just being on it for 5 months stabilized on a 110mg dose and thought about things one day on a lot of speed actually... and well I said after contemplating that I want to get off opiates and get clean after the taper and if possible ONLY IF POSSIBLE use any opiate on a rare basis in the future... my motivation on that IF IT HAPPENED I don't need to use ever and it would be just fuckin fine and dandy, main thing is getting off the methadone for me, but my main motivation is knowing how bad these drugs are with dependency and that whole bit. I want to not be a slave to them like that... ever ever ever again if I can hold myself to it, which I really know I will. I decided i wanted off, Its time, and financially I saw a hard few months coming... so enough playing the opiod/dope game because you never win I learned you always get sick sometime you have to.... its like facing the music so to speak, you gotta do it to some extent sometime..

now I planned on using methadone at the clinic for however long it took, working with a counselor, but remembering the main thing from intake "we keep you on till youre ready" well dammit I'm ready 5 months is time enough. My lifestyle had changed pretty much all the way, and I just want off its a hard battle inside myself that occurred when I had the moment of truth deep down and thought, fuck it its time. My original plan and outlook was 2 - 3 years, 5 according to the doctor...

I learned I am a $$$$ to them (dollar sign moron :D) and not much else... they want you to be there a long time and bring in money... hell they want to raise your dose for you so you have to pay more in some locations it seems... that is how life works. Just do what you think is right (if it really is) and not what they will force feed you... you do not need to do 10 years of methadone which is what my first doctor told me... making me leave and transfer was his attitude. They are just elaborate drug dealers, I go in get my dope, dose, get weekend doses and go home and the next day do it again.... its like your daily dope score but easy and legal... and the high is obviously not there because that is not how the clinic works its not to get high but thats not what i wanted from it anyways... it did get me high though as i titrated, regardless of tolerance and whatever else, I still got a mild buzz every week I went up until 2 weeks after stopping that then I was tired for a long time until I fully adapted I guess,

The constipation and other side effects like excessive sleeping (really just those two) were a big reason for wanting to taper... I'm at 65 (well tomorrow i will be going from 70 to 65) now and see that as damn near half way in my eyes... I started new years week and did 5mg every 5-7 days except the first drop was 10mg, and doing it at this rate I have not noticed any and I mean ANY wd symptoms yet... maybe mild aches if I missed a day (and it depended on other things, and other drug use of stimulants and shit so it was hard to tell what was what with feeling shitty... but there was no shitty to be honest. yet anyways).

I expect it to get hard or harder at least, soon. I think once I get to like 45 or 40 the 5mg drops will be more than 10 percent of the total dose and that will begin to me more noticeable to my body. No cravings really yet. I did use H one time on the done.... that was 6 weeks or so ago and was actually to see how well the methadone blocked heroin... sure it was to get high and was a treat to myself in a way i guess, though thats the wrong time to do it but I figured fuck it lets see how strong of a will I have if I start wanting it every day after then I will know, but I did not desire it or need it or anything just did the dope and moved on...

for you OP, Most people use it in a long long time period like 2-5 years on average I guess, but more and some less... When you're ready and you know it you just know it. If I was not ready then I don't think I would be able or even willing to just start tapering and find it not a problem (for the first ginormous chunk of the tapering time) at all. I feel the lower doses hold me damn near as well as the stabilized dose did... maybe not as much now by a hair, but it adapts after 3-4 days and its like im still on 110mg without being so fucking tired and I still have the shitting problems of course but theres less strain now... less blood lol. sorry.


you can always do the rapid taper with it... I wish I tried that out first. but really methadone is what you make and want out of treatment, and is entirely varying in how well it works for the patient depending on the patient and their mindset toward getting clean... if you mean what you said you will be ok on it... I think I really really do... but I may struggle next week at 60 or 55 or eventually at 30 may be finding it harder than imaginable but I expect it to happen at some point... maybe not as bad as that but it will get harder.... If I need I will try to swap to suboxone around 30mg if its too hard to go down... but I will go as far as I can and hopefully all the fucking way and then boom... I can't wait for the happiness of not being a slave to this shit. I was so scared before i started the taper.... so so fucking scared but I soon realized if you do it the right way its just as the places said, not too bad discomfortwise.

You can do it. It helped me because it A) killed all opiate cravings, desires, and most dreams (last couple weeks I have had more H dreams but nothing bad... I think I'll always dream of dope. All drugs even theyre my main activity in life as an addict so its like no shit you dream about them)

B) No WD symptoms with the stabilized amount of methadone

C) helped change my daily lifestyle on basically stopping talking to the wrong people and eliminating almost all but one (he also sells weed and other shit I may use besides dope) from my life. Even the dealers are supporting on me getting clean even though its fucking them over really. Any other addict friend I kept in my phone is supportive and said everything positive you could imagine... the others, well they did not make it and got deleted.

There is more... its cheap and just idk it does really help. the unique NMDA receptor shit makes it a good choice for Op replacement therapy too.

Look into it, and when you're ready do what you think is best. You have me saying yes and the guy above saying stay away from it... so its really up to you to make the best sense of what you want and how you want to get there. Methadone can get you there if you do it right and its what you want. If I walk away the rest of the way relatively unscathed from WD I will honestly be able to say this shit was a miraculous risk that turned out to be a lifesaver for me.

Seriously. look into every option possible and even every option possible about the methadone if you choose that route. You can do it long, short, medium, just how you need to do it. It can give you a life back. 5 months for you using is not too long man so I would try to get off and away without ORT techniques if all possible, but if you are constantly going back to the dope fucking up and breaking the law every day and shit related to a lot of addicts patterns of use and shit, then methadone will help you.... mainly it will get you stable and then do that for a while till you think you want to try to stop. its different for every patient and every H addict/opiate addict out there, everyone is different and their situation is unique. Thats what makes it even moreso something you must look into and not just jump into... I kinda did, but like I said I was taking a risk... which paid off luckilly. I prayed and do as often as I remember for strength and it just really started happening for me. I'm not religious but when you are at rock bottom praying does not sound like a bad idea. Did the prayers work? I don't know, but others saw this act of mine a great thing and me trying to get clean so that helped drive me to do it and do it right...

good luck.

get off the shit

at least habitually in any real extent.


You will be happier, I already am and I'm not there yet just knowing I'm closer makes me happier inside... knowing most people have a horrible time from the start of tapering (all from what I asked and saw) and for some reason I notice nothing bad at all... like its nothing seriously. but stay positive main thing.

 

[-Guido-]

To get on methadone you have to test positive for heroin or opiates, you have to show visible track marks, and you have to show proof of at least two or three rehabs/detoxes.

If you ain't banging dope get on Suboxone. Methadone is high caliber shit for people that have tried everything to quit but can't.

 

[benzoheadplus44]

To get on methadone you have to test positive for heroin or opiates, you have to show visible track marks, and you have to show proof of at least two or three rehabs/detoxes.

If you ain't banging dope get on Suboxone. Methadone is high caliber shit for people that have tried everything to quit but can't.

Really? trackmarks as a needed qualification? maybe some places but I never did shoot and they know that I snorted my dope and really wasted a lot of money because of the need to snort over a gram for any real relief let alone to get high. Should have shot my shit I guess... no im joking that would be the end of me and I would be a goner by now if I started the needle shit... my lack of control cant do needles. I guess there are lots of pain killer grandma (not all are old ladies i was just labeling them) addicts and surgery addicts too that go there as well for help.


It is high caliber... I would say though that it is still a best or at least better choice to someone that is trying to get clean or get to a "cleaner" state but know deep down they need or cant eliminate opiates from their life... its like even the addicts that want to be addicts still but get out of the legal shit can get into the clinic and it helps them in that aspect. it does clean up the dirty lifestyle if you do it the right way... meaning cut all contacts with all dope dealers and users and "friends". If you don't you will just call them the day you get off the dones or even sooner than that. I'm not a highly been there done that successful role model but I can say so far at my point in my taper and treatment the shit changed my life but allowed me to keep opiods in my life and body daily until I could drop upon feeling ready.

It was my second choice... third really but I say second because rehab I stopped calling because I chose to do the clinic instead, only after trying to quit on my own using regular opiates if I was sick and needed to not be for certain reasons and every time failed, you cant use that way and expect to beat it. It was a risk to the max by choosing methadone as damn near my first option and I was scared a month and a half ago that risk fucked me until I saw the taper was not bad at my level done at a very slow rate... technically starting it is a 20 percent drop (100mg dropping by 5s after the first 10mg drop from 110, my stable dose)

its a risk, should not be first choice but it is still treatment and it does get you stable... which helped and is helping me still as i taper... i still feel completely stable. it has a horrible rap it seems everyone says no no no dont do it, but it does work great for some people, especially the ones who dont want to taper off... they are the ones that it helps the most since its covering them from being the addict monster they were, committing major felonies every day to get money to get dope to get not sick, to only do it again 12 hours later.

its a heavy artillery of an opiod i agree but it is still great for a treatment option, you just have to do what youre comfortable with, in more than just the taper rate to avoid WD.... comfortable with everything about it i mean. If you don't think its for you do not get into the methadone shit... but if youre desperate knowing you are walking a thin line that could easilly lead to incarceration or worse yet, its a life saver. it kept me out of jail, and got my family to see im serious, and helped me a lot. there is some good from it, i think a lot of people push it off thinking its too much and too overkill for their situation because of what they heard of it... it has a bad rap and should be judged equally and discussed almost equally as a treatment option... depending on what your treatment goals and plans consist of. Maintenance? OK. Taper short medium or long term? OK too... it is real treatment. I'm a heavy snorter who never shot but it still was for me... in the way i made it... being on it for years was not for me... thats why its unique to every patients treatment plan in their future.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Track marks aren't needed. Most everyone I hung out with during my opiate use was not an IV user and none of them used H (because its not going around, people deal in pharmas here strictly).

As long as you're an addict you can get into it. My cousin was actually ordered by a judge to go into the program for forging prescriptions.

Think about this long and hard though, its possible to kick without methadone/bupe. I'd give a taper plan or cold turkey a try before I even attempted MMT. You'll need a circle for support, mine is my family, if you don't have that AA/NA might work for you.

Best of luck.

 

[ilikedrugs77]

Thanks everyone! Very helpful so far. So the reason I'm thinking more about Methadone route is because I don't know if I can afford going to see a doctor and getting prescribed to Suboxone. I don't have health insurance, but it sounds like the Subs are more efficient in quitting so maybe I should.

So if I do the methadone will i have to go to the clinic everyday? Part of the reason I want to get off dope is because I can never do anything in the morning because that's when I score, but if I have to go to the clinic every fucking day that could be really annoying.

Another thing is that the main reason I use H is because I used to have really bad Bipolar disorder and really bad Anxiety, but doing H daily totally eliminates these issues for me. Would Methadone do this too?

Will Methadone get me high? Is there anyway I could occasionally get high when on the Methadone, I would love to be able to occasionally get really fucking high on opiates still.

So if I got on Methadone would Ii have to expect a lifetime of use?

Is methadone cheap? I have to spend at least 20 a day (usually more) for the dope. I heard it's only like 10 bucks a dose of Methadone, would you guys say financially that MEthadone is better than H?

Basically I like opiates because they relieve my mental problems that I have, and I'd reallyt like to be able to have some type of opiate I could take daily and legally, would methadone be good for this? I swear to god, since I have been addicted to dope I have been happier overall then I ever have been in my entire life. On dope, I actually feel like a normal person even when I'm not high!!!! Anyone experienced this?

One last question and this is really important. I have never been to rehab or detox, would this prevent me from getting on Methadone? I know one of you said I would have to have a history of detox/rehab, but I don't and I don't plan on it, so could I still get on board?

If you guys could answer these I would be extremely thanful, especially the rehab/detox one, and the whole treatment for my mood disorders. I'm serious in that I have never been this happy in my entire life, no bs on that and no it is not just because I'm high, most of the time I only do enough to get well, and I barely nod, but I am so happy now and I feel like i can enjoy life like others, the only problem is I have this secret dope habit and this interferes with completely normalizing my life aside from the help with my mood.

Thanks guys!!!

 

[ilikedrugs77]

Also, going along with my problem of going to the methadone clinic daily, I heard online that if you are on methadone long enough they start letting you take it home and keep doses for up to a month, is this true? I could go daily for a year, and then if they started to let me take it home that would work perfectly, and maybe I could just do that for the rest of my life and keep my pain at bay.

 

[cj]

Yea you get take homes buy complying with the program passing drug tests and attending the mandatory counseling sessions. Ur not gonna get high on your methadone after the first 2 weeks or so. I think how many take homes you can eventually get is determined by state law so youll need to figure that out depending on where you live. Also Done jacks your tolerance up to the piont that it will be nearly impossible to get high on other opiates while on maintenance. Its not a sweet deal where you legally get high everyday its a last resort for people who have to stop using opiates at any cost. I think suboxone is gonna be more up your alley.

 

[OcCo]

I find it funny how no1 believes this is a bad idea, seriously mate do not get a script of methadone that stuff is evil. I never really struggled with heroin rattle's I could do them it was just staying of the gear.

The BIGGEST mistake of my drug's 'Career' was getting a script for methadone, I'd always said no when they pushed a meth script on me, but after going to jail and testing positive to opiates they stuck me on this nazi juice, the 1st 2 times i went to jail and they gave me this stuff, as soon as i got outside i ripped my apointment for a meth script up and switched back to gear for a couple of weeks and then did a rattle of the gear, ask anyone who's been on over 40mg of meth what a rattle is like from methadone, and it isnt a 5-7 day 'flu-ish, diarrhea, shitty week' like a h rattle, it's a 3 week nightmare of agony, seriously I've heard some people say it's great the uk offers addicts meth free on national health, but this stuff is pushed on nearly addict that walks threw there door.
Don't forget methadone is a drug made by big pharma too and having someone a slave to the green juice or pill's as they use in the US is no different that how your local dealers business works.

plz head my advice don't go on meth, before i was on this shite, I'd tell people 'my biggest mistake was switching to I.V' now I tell em 'my biggest mistake was sticking to my meth script' I should of just took gear for a week and a half after leaving jail, then done a rattle from the gear instead of now having to do a 3 week minimum one now from this crap.

Sorry if this post has a few spelling mistakes and bad punctuations, i just woke up after taking a few nitrazepam and seen your post its currently 04:33, and i'm still half asleep.

Also a few people have mentioned the subutex/suboxone route honestly this I'd say is your best bet, a far better idea, and the w/d's from subbies were less painfull than H so thats another good reason for choosing that route honestly the only bad thing i'd have to say about suboxone is the horrid taste,but many people like it.

Methadone here in the UK is a drug which was designed to be used for long term addicts with no hope of ever giving up, it's a drug that was originally for seen to be prescribed for life to the user, It's just swapping your H problem to a worser problem as you stil get a glow from meth for a bit, were as subbies seem the answer as they do what a drug a drug maintenance drug should do and stop the W/D without giving you the buzz an addict looks for.

 

[jammon]

man don't do that shit. Dumb people shouldt mess with drugs, thats the reason 'addicts' exist, just because stupid people use drugs improperly

 

[imakickassninja]

Go to a professional detox, or try suboxone. Methadone is not something you want to get into, way harder to get off of/way worse kick than the dope. Even suboxone is a longer process of getting off of than just sucking it up and doing it cold turkey.

But dude, 4-5 months is nothing as for being addicted to dope, don't dig yourself in deeper by getting on methadone, you'll regret it. Good luck

 

[Nib]

Well I just got on methadone and so far I have not decided if it was the best deicision to make. I been on for about a month and am currently at 120mg a day. Going up to 130mg tomorrow. It's nice only having to pay $30 a week to not have to worry about being sick, but having to get there every day is a pain in the fucking ass. I'm not working right now so it's a lot easier cause I can go whenever I want. If i was working I could see it as a big interference in my life. As of right now though I can't keep affording this dope habit so I'm gonna have to give meth a try as suboxone just doesn't do shit to me anymore.

 

[jammon]

no man

Dude, dont use that stuff to get off of your reef.
Doctors that prescribe that stuff are badfishes.
Have a joint and stop thinking about opioids

 

[imakickassninja]

And seriously, most people who get on the clinic have been using for a LOT more than 4 months, seriously try getting off of the dope for at least a month before you commit yourself to the methadone. Because it'll probably be a while before you will be able to, if ever, kick that.

 

[cire113]

any smart person would go to a DR and get methadone prescribed for pain... You can get a whole bottle full of it and don't have to do all that stupid clinic crap

 

[Tommyboy]

^ It's not like doctors just hand out prescriptions to potent opiates (well outside of Florida that is). You need to have legitimate pain, and have tests to prove this.

I would really advise against getting on methadone given your history. Your habit is not that big, and has not been that long, and you have not tried more suitable means of treating this. The methadone will jack up your tolerance so much, and it can be very dangerous if taken improperly (double-dosing, mixing with other CNS depressants, etc...).

Look into getting on suboxone. If you were spending 40-80 dollars a day for your heroin, you can surely afford to pay for 1 doctor visit a month, as well as your prescription. If you don't have insurance for the prescription, ask the doctor to put you on subutex because it is cheaper.

I suggest trying to kick on your own first though. The withdrawals won't be that bad. The reason that you crave it so much right now is because you are strung out. After a few days of withdrawal, you mind set changes drastically. You go from thinking about how you will get you next fix, to thinking about ways to get yourself out of the mess you are in now. I'm telling you, the way that you think when you are strung out is completely different than you will think once you kick. Leave the area for a week so that you can kick without having the temptation of copping, or just get some suboxone and use it for 3-4 days to detox.

It seems like you were thinking that you could use methadone as an easy way to get around the system, avoid withdrawals, and get high on it. That is so far from reality, and you are better off not finding out for yourself.

 

[-Guido-]

Track marks aren't needed.

In my area they are. If you are addicted to IV heroin, you go into the Methadone program. People addicted to popping and snorting pills go on suboxone. People who snort heroin are sent to Suboxone Programs because they technically aren't experiencing effects from heroin. They even drug test people and have been known to laugh at people who come in wanting methadone from having a 1-2 Vicodina day habit. I would laugh as well.

This is only after you give prior proof of trying to stop as in records from detoxes and rehabilitation centers.

The OP's habit is fucking small enough to warrant Suboxone, but not Methadone.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

How the hell can a blood test determine your level of addiction?! The idea that you need trackmarks to get onto methadone is rediculous. I became an opiate addict and I've never really shot up more than a couple of times during my whole life. If I didn't have methadone god knows where I would be now.

The OP's habit is fucking small enough to warrant Suboxone, but not Methadone.

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