Hi folks. Several weeks back I asked about ADD meds & someone suggested vyvanse because side effects are minimal compared to say adderall & also more likely that doc will write Rx. I've seen same doc 7 years. She's been writing scripts for fiorinal/codeine which are for my migraines last 7 years. I've never complained or mentioned ADD before, as I'd pretty much assumed my ADD symptoms were due to just me being weird. Doc knows nothing about me ever doing meth, but the purpose of me wanting a script is not for a legal high, but for ADD, chronic fatigue, with the intent of quitting meth once I have a script for medicinal purposes. I'm nervous about how to go about bringing this up? I don't want her to think I'm just trying to get speed for fun, since I'm already on the migraine meds. Suggestions on how to go about explaining what I want without coming across as drug seeking for the sake of "getting high?"
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How to explain to Dr.?
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Jekyll and Hyde
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I'm sure if you just explain your symptoms to the doc he/she will understand and probably give you what they think is necessary to fix the problem.
^this. I've never taken Meth, but I'm sure there are some kinds of treatments available. I've seen other threads on BL where a person had been prescribed meds to help get over meth.Maybe an addiction specialist could help you more so than your regular Dr.
I was prescribed vyvanse today, by my pyschdoc. I simply educated myself about it and asked my Dr if I could try it to see if it helps me. Although I've never been a stimulant addict, and I had already tried provigil with no success, my Dr agreed that it may improve my ability to function. I'm dealing with chronic fatigue from quitting an 8 year oxy and ativan addiction.On their own, I doubt I'd need meds to help me through it, combined it's absolutely been absolutely brutal. Had I been a stim user I'm not too sure what her response would have been. I know if I had asked her for opiates, I would have been told," no, here's a script for some suboxone" I have a very good relationship with my Dr. I've always been completely honest with her, anything else and I'm only hurting myself.
I was prescribed vyvanse today, by my pyschdoc. I simply educated myself about it and asked my Dr if I could try it to see if it helps me. Although I've never been a stimulant addict, and I had already tried provigil with no success, my Dr agreed that it may improve my ability to function. I'm dealing with chronic fatigue from quitting an 8 year oxy and ativan addiction.On their own, I doubt I'd need meds to help me through it, combined it's absolutely been absolutely brutal. Had I been a stim user I'm not too sure what her response would have been. I know if I had asked her for opiates, I would have been told," no, here's a script for some suboxone" I have a very good relationship with my Dr. I've always been completely honest with her, anything else and I'm only hurting myself.
No way in hell a doctor is going to prescribe Desoxyn (Meth) as the first drug for ADD. Besides, he wants to get rid of his symptoms, not keep being a meth addict. If you've tried everything else and it's not working, then go ahead and try desoxyn, but the OP haven't tried anything (prescripted) yet.
Just explain that you think you might have ADD and ask if she could test you/send you to a specialist.
Just explain that you think you might have ADD and ask if she could test you/send you to a specialist.
"Ask to be scripted an add med called Desoxyn, it has very success rates with add and addiction issues"
Hey dude i was joking, Desoxyn for a methhead-year right.
let the Dr treat you, thats what there for, not for you to ask for certain drugs 'cause you want to'
KDS=known drug seeker (you want that on your notes?)
Hey dude i was joking, Desoxyn for a methhead-year right.
let the Dr treat you, thats what there for, not for you to ask for certain drugs 'cause you want to'
KDS=known drug seeker (you want that on your notes?)
^no worries-all good^
Desoxyn is actually listed in every health forum as having the highest scores overall for ADHD. I believe Ritalin is actually more compulsive/abused.
It's just that wee issue that Desoxyns compound name happends to be methamphetamine, shame.
Desoxyn is actually listed in every health forum as having the highest scores overall for ADHD. I believe Ritalin is actually more compulsive/abused.
It's just that wee issue that Desoxyns compound name happends to be methamphetamine, shame.
Agree with above. I believe that aside from simply "getting high," the type of drugs one chooses is no accident. In my case, after reading extensively on ADD (that is only after I've self medicated with meth & have the pacients & can actually read the whole damn things) frick its no WONDER i love meth the best. I can actually focus and pay attention. When sober off all drugs/alcohol 2 years there were advantages, but damned if I had even remotely had the pacients to sit & figure out much less learn anything electronic, yet under the influence of meth, no problem.
I used to work in Urgent Care & dealt a lot with medical staff. At times 1 or 2 coworkers may come out of the closet by admitting they "party" occasionally, which is all cool. Until, that is, you're found out or like some patients, caught by the docs (only one of which bothered to read back through patients charts to look for KDS types) or flagged by a suspicious pharmacist, at which point you make the NNL. No Narcotics List for: blah, blah, and blahs if they come in.
My friend Aimee is a hardcore heroin addict, but it's also true that as long as I've known her & since she was a little kid, sleep usually eluded her save for a couple hrs a night due to her numerous ailments, hence the lure of smack. No damn wonder MS or Oxy's, later smack was soo tempting she became hooked.
However, back to the point, being my doc and I, she's a cool doc & few docs are cool with ongoing narcotics Rx, unless you're dying of cancer, or you're just plain old as in 65+. By that age, society doesn't consider you a threat or potential criminal, plus being a senior citizen docs kind of expect people complaining about pain legitimately.
I didn't want to raise any red flags by bringing up ADD & asking for an Rx to treat it. As a kid if it hadn't of been for ritalin, I'd of been just like my 3 half siblings who all share same dad with different moms. All of us, except me, including pops dropped out of 10th grade because of "a learning disability & being too hyper." My half siblings moms refused to medicate my 3 siblings, but if mom hadn't of gotten me on ritilin, I'd most likely be a 10th grade drop out too, barely able to sign my damn name.
They told mom that by the time I was an adult, I would "grow out of it," but the only thing I "grew out of" was the hyperness not the attention deficeit. As an adult, it really sucks, but as long as I dose low on meth, I'm good. Dose too much, I get in trouble, so I've learned my lesson there. Still, I'd rather be allowed to have my Rx for pain that doc writes for me & not for ADD than to have NEITHER with a silly ass KDS sticker on my fucking chart from now on. I didn't want to rock the boat by being perceived as a DS. Thanks for the input folks. I'll probably go in and tell it like it is, & be honest without being paranoid. Chronic fatigue & ADD suck so bad! I'm glad someone told me about this site 8 years ago. Thanks again BLers.
I used to work in Urgent Care & dealt a lot with medical staff. At times 1 or 2 coworkers may come out of the closet by admitting they "party" occasionally, which is all cool. Until, that is, you're found out or like some patients, caught by the docs (only one of which bothered to read back through patients charts to look for KDS types) or flagged by a suspicious pharmacist, at which point you make the NNL. No Narcotics List for: blah, blah, and blahs if they come in.
My friend Aimee is a hardcore heroin addict, but it's also true that as long as I've known her & since she was a little kid, sleep usually eluded her save for a couple hrs a night due to her numerous ailments, hence the lure of smack. No damn wonder MS or Oxy's, later smack was soo tempting she became hooked.
However, back to the point, being my doc and I, she's a cool doc & few docs are cool with ongoing narcotics Rx, unless you're dying of cancer, or you're just plain old as in 65+. By that age, society doesn't consider you a threat or potential criminal, plus being a senior citizen docs kind of expect people complaining about pain legitimately.
I didn't want to raise any red flags by bringing up ADD & asking for an Rx to treat it. As a kid if it hadn't of been for ritalin, I'd of been just like my 3 half siblings who all share same dad with different moms. All of us, except me, including pops dropped out of 10th grade because of "a learning disability & being too hyper." My half siblings moms refused to medicate my 3 siblings, but if mom hadn't of gotten me on ritilin, I'd most likely be a 10th grade drop out too, barely able to sign my damn name.
They told mom that by the time I was an adult, I would "grow out of it," but the only thing I "grew out of" was the hyperness not the attention deficeit. As an adult, it really sucks, but as long as I dose low on meth, I'm good. Dose too much, I get in trouble, so I've learned my lesson there. Still, I'd rather be allowed to have my Rx for pain that doc writes for me & not for ADD than to have NEITHER with a silly ass KDS sticker on my fucking chart from now on. I didn't want to rock the boat by being perceived as a DS. Thanks for the input folks. I'll probably go in and tell it like it is, & be honest without being paranoid. Chronic fatigue & ADD suck so bad! I'm glad someone told me about this site 8 years ago. Thanks again BLers.
ti.ara
Bluelighter
Personally, I think if you have abused meth in the past it will be incredibly difficult for you to refrain from abusing ADD meds... I would be really careful. There are also non-stimulant ADD meds too, you may want to inquire about.
ti.ara
Bluelighter
I also totally agree about the type of drugs addicts use is no accident. I've never done much research to verify this but I have heard that a great percentage of meth addicts are ADHD. I think thats why a lot of them end up using meth, to try and feel normal or function better. I only know a couple people who have or have had issues with meth and both without a doubt have had issues with ADHD since childhood.
I don't know where I personally stand on the whole medicating adhd kids controversy, its so complicated and I see both sides but one thing is obvious - I've heard anti-med people state that kids put on stimulants for adhd as children are twice as likely to abuse street stimulants as adults and while that's probably true, I think that NOT medicating kids often and maybe even more likely, will lead them to using street drugs too. If these kids go through school doing poorly because they can't learn in the typical classroom and never feeling normal or able to properly socialize, it seems like they would be more likely to get into street drugs in adulthood to try and cope with that and help them feel normal. You know what I mean? I also think these type of kids are probably more likely to end up trying hard drugs anyway, just because they are generally more impulsive, not thinking about consequences and etc. I'm not sure I believe its the medications making them more likely to get involved with drugs. I do see the other side too though, the first time I tried ritalin, I was soooo high and all I could think to myself was "I cannot believe they give this shit to kids!". They are really too easy and quick to medicate, when I think a lot of ADHD kids just learn differently and don't do well in the traditional classroom. They're more hands on I think. My brother is ADD, he never took meds until recently, at age 20 is trying some now. He says he would have done so much better in school had he been able to learn in his own way, with a more hands on approach.
This is all just my speculation, I'm not adhd and I feel for those who are, it would be so difficult.
I don't know where I personally stand on the whole medicating adhd kids controversy, its so complicated and I see both sides but one thing is obvious - I've heard anti-med people state that kids put on stimulants for adhd as children are twice as likely to abuse street stimulants as adults and while that's probably true, I think that NOT medicating kids often and maybe even more likely, will lead them to using street drugs too. If these kids go through school doing poorly because they can't learn in the typical classroom and never feeling normal or able to properly socialize, it seems like they would be more likely to get into street drugs in adulthood to try and cope with that and help them feel normal. You know what I mean? I also think these type of kids are probably more likely to end up trying hard drugs anyway, just because they are generally more impulsive, not thinking about consequences and etc. I'm not sure I believe its the medications making them more likely to get involved with drugs. I do see the other side too though, the first time I tried ritalin, I was soooo high and all I could think to myself was "I cannot believe they give this shit to kids!". They are really too easy and quick to medicate, when I think a lot of ADHD kids just learn differently and don't do well in the traditional classroom. They're more hands on I think. My brother is ADD, he never took meds until recently, at age 20 is trying some now. He says he would have done so much better in school had he been able to learn in his own way, with a more hands on approach.
This is all just my speculation, I'm not adhd and I feel for those who are, it would be so difficult.