How to convice my girlfriend that there is nothing wrong with psychedelics

[lurkerguy]

It depends on what you mean by "against".

If you are against others taking them, especially your boyfriend who you know enjoys them and responds well to them, that is hypocritical.

If you are against taking them yourself that is a personal decision and I could care less.

Also, I still don't admit that psychedelics effect your brain physically long term.

They can leave emotional scares from a bad trip, but your cat dying can also leave emotional scars.

 

[burn out]

Sometimes you laugh on alcohol, sometimes you cry, sometimes you get angry, sometimes you take huge risks etc.

I don't see how you can consider that predictable.

By your definition I can say mushrooms are predictable because they always make you whacked out for a few hours, and you always know that someone on mushrooms is going to be spaced out.

i mean predictable in terms of long term affects. like i said, psychedelics changed how i view reality, FOREVER. many people also report similar experiences, some people even feel the change was very positive and beneficial. other are are not so happy about the change and suffer from it.

alcohol on the other hand, reguardless of how unpredictable it may be during a single use, simply does not faciliate the types of long terms changes that we see with psychedelics. we can determine for example, roughly the amount of alcohol it would take to cause serious brain damage, yet we cant determine with any degree of certaintly whatsoever how many shrooms one might have to eat to become permanently altered, for better or for worse.

 

[burn out]

It depends on what you mean by "against".

If you are against others taking them, especially your boyfriend who you know enjoys them and responds well to them, that is hypocritical.

If you are against taking them yourself that is a personal decision and I could care less.

Also, I still don't admit that psychedelics effect your brain physically long term.

They can leave emotional scares from a bad trip, but your cat dying can also leave emotional scars.

because HPPD is just a myth. 8)

 

[lurkerguy]

Flashbacks are a myth.

Same with mutant LSD babies, and permanent brain damage from Cannabis.

All propaganda.

The only evidence for flashbacks is the word of people who took Psychedelics.

Meanwhile those same people have probably been drinking heavily their whole life, have snorted poison they thought was cocaine, have snorted toxins from bathtub meth, have taken "LSD" that was just a sugar cube soaked in rat poison, you name it.

No real hard evidence, just claims from people who have taken way more drugs (and fake drugs containing God knows what) than just psychedelics.

I know dozens of people who take Psychedelics, and they don't get flashbacks.

Meanwhile, like %2 of the people who take them report flashbacks, and these same people end up being on a slew of anti psychotics most of the time, and are crazy to begin with.

People who report flashbacks are just high on life, or insanity.

 

[burn out]

Flashbacks are a myth.

Same with mutant LSD babies, and permanent brain damage from Cannabis.

All propaganda.

The only evidence for flashbacks is the word of people who took Psychedelics.

Meanwhile those same people have probably been drinking heavily their whole life, have snorted poison they thought was cocaine, have snorted toxins from bathtub meth, have taken "LSD" that was just a sugar cube soaked in rat poison, you name it.

No real hard evidence, just claims from people who have taken way more drugs (and fake drugs containing God knows what) than just psychedelics.

ok, i think your true colors have been exposed for all to see.

 

[lurkerguy]

Yes, those are my real thoughts on the issue.

I wouldn't post them if they weren't.

Illegal drugs have thousands of myths surrounding them.

For instance, recent studies just came out proving that "crack babies" actually have virtually no damage at all done to them.

Meanwhile, 20 years ago, everyone in the world knew it was a fact that crack babies where the biggest epidemic in the world.

 

[lurkerguy]

Long-term drug users who got HPPD well into their experimentation with drugs report that they get HPPD from a wide variety of drugs. Since most long-term users of multiple drugs also use LSD, it is hard to really distinguish what drugs are responsible for HPPD in these cases. However, there are numerous reports of long-term drug users who had strong trips on non-LSD drugs which led immediately into HPPD symptoms.

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/health/hppd/hppd_faq.shtml

So basically a small percentage of long term users of real and fake street drugs claim they have eye problems.

How conclusive.

If 20%+ of people who only took Psychedelics their whole life in a controlled study complained about "HPPD" I might buy it, but when it is only anecdotal evidence from a tiny fraction of Psychedelic users who also take plenty of other drugs, along with a million other factors, I don't buy it.

 

[burn out]

you link me to an extensive faq about a disorder which does not exist? strange.

A high proportion of HPPD subjects got HPPD very early in their experimentation with LSD (or other hallucinogens). This supports the theory that some people have a genetic predisposition to HPPD.

Genetic or not, HPPD is a measurable physical problem with the brain. Brain scans of HPPD subjects show that there are regions of significantly elevated activity. HPPD subjects also perform worse on a few visual tests

your own source appears to be in conflict with your position.

 

[lurkerguy]

This supports the theory that some people have a genetic predisposition to HPPD.

Long-term drug users who got HPPD well into their experimentation with drugs report that they get HPPD from a wide variety of drugs.

Ahem.

So people have a genetic predisposition, and many people experience symptoms after taking non psychedelic drugs.

Like I said, not very conclusive to say the least.

What about the people who got HPPD after taking other drugs?

That right there raises serious doubts as to whether or not Psychedelics could be a main factor.

It seems like any drug could cause HPPD, if you are genetically predisposed.

So you better tell everyone not to experiment with any drugs at all.

This is especially telling:

12. What aggravates HPPD?
Most subjects find that their symptoms vary. Generally distortions are made worse by:

1. Obsessing about HPPD symptoms (by looking at blank walls for example)
2. Fatigue
3. Alcohol, Cannabis, Psychedelics, or other drugs
4. Sudden entry into dark or light environments
5. Stress
6. Some antidepressants and other psychiatric medications (such as Risperidone)

Somehow I am not shocked that people who have been awake for 48 hours staring at a wall obsessively, and are on psychiatric medications for mental illness see weird shit.

 

[Doppelganger]

Lurkerguy: You are an idiot! We can all see this! You don't have to continue to prove it to us.

STFU, FFS! :D

 

[lurkerguy]

Brilliant retort.

You should consider joining your local debate club, or perhaps a professorship in linguistics.

Don't let your talent go to waste.

STFU DUD3 U R A STUp1D!

I R A 12 Y3AR 0ld!