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Misc How quetiapine (Seroquel) is abused

What's really fucked up is that you can be court ordered onto anti-psychotics "for your own good"....There's just something so evil about that to me. A lot of these drugs can have horrible, long-lasting and even dangerous side-effects. I can understand if someone was violent or a legitimate threat to society maybe, but forcing bizarre man-made synthetics on people is just pure evil!

The way the substance abuse field is in the US these days.... It almost seems like it's assumed that if you have a drug problem that you must also have mental health issues....You go to rehab, get a psych eval and 9 out of ten times you get diagnosed with something! It just seems like a huge scam that's designed to make money with little regard for the welfare of the patients....

If you get court ordered into some form of drug treatment, there's good chance that that will lead to a psych diagnosis and you'll end up ordered by a judge to follow whatever course of treatment the doctor recommends....So basically, after a 10 minute conversation with a doctor who's never even met you before, you can end up legally obligated to take medications that cause such wonderful things as weight gain, hair-loss, impotence, tremors...etc. It's just so fucked up....How can you accurately diagnose someone who's just stopped using drugs after abusing stimulants, opiates and benzos for several years before their brain even has a chance to return to normal? It makes no fucking sense!
 
All of it makes so little sense and there's so little intelligence (or maybe too much hidden intelligence) in the whole system it's fucking scary.

I mean, just the fact that someone with NO real knowledge of how a drug works can be in charge to prescribing it to untold numbers of people shouldn't even be a possibiliy or something that could legally happen.

I suspect this whole class of drugs were first invented to use on seriously ill people in institutions (who had previously been subjected to actual lobotomies or electro-shocks) to sedate them and make them easier to deal with without giving them anything that could provide them with some comfort or well-being (or any kind of pleasure) like benzos.

When in this situation I think benzos would actually be the best choice. They are hopeless cases, anyway, and things can't get much worse. And at least it would both calm them down and give them some sense of contentment or actual emotional healing.

But what's really worrying is that they are prescribing these to people outside of psychiatric institutions. And even with very little evaluation, just because traditional anti-depressants aren't effective, or whatever. In my view they have no legitimate use apart from actual psychosis where someone are liable to do harm to themselves and others.
 
I was recently prescribed seroquel XR for minor depression but mostly as a sleep aid.
I would say I could see the abuse potential, but its obviously not as fun as other psychoactives.
If I want to be sedated ill smoke some heroin
 
as other centrally active antihistamines like hydroxyzine are considered to have recreational value when IV'ed by many bluelighters.


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Please show me one of these many bluelighters?! Perhaps you are reffering to J-crest? Anti-cholinergics have great potentiation effect on the opiate rush , but on their own they are more or less worthless.

The best anti-histamine is probably Tripenelamine , from the famous t'and blues , well guess what the blue was (an opiate).

However I can relate to you preferring sleep over life. However that's it for seroquels recreational potential IMO.
 
Lately I have been shooting diphenhydramine with my suboxone and I have become heavily addicted to it. I shoot about 100mgs with .5-1mg of sub, 5-7x a day. I can't get enough of it, the rush sucks but it's so good at the same time, it's weird. I've gone through at least 200 or more 50mg unisom gels in this past 2-3 weeks.
 
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Antihistamines: I prefer them over benzos any day!
-Propofol: Most definitely not the most popular substance on the black market. Usually the advice on this one is: "Not worth it, will just knock you out or kill you." From all I know though there's a small crowd of people who are HUGE fans of this substance. Personally, I'm 100% certain that no other drug has ever made me feel as orgasmic as this stuff.
-Piritramide: I know a few people who will pay a fortune to get their hands on this one and prefer it over H any day. It's said to be less potent than morphine...

In terms of anti histamines Diphenhydramine, hydrozine and cyclizine are the only ones that come to mind - Valoid taking the crown of course. Piritramide is generally just limited to a small amount of users in France and Germany right? It sounds very good though.

I'd also love to one day try a T & Blue (Tripenelamine and Pentazocaine), does Doriden still get use anywhere in the world? I'd imagine thats a pretty niche drug scene. Could make a very large amount of money synthing that stuff and selling it in bags mixed with codiene.
 
my short experience with quetiapine, yeah if i wanted to be zonked out.. MUCH better than prison sobriety lol.
still have a script laying around, never crossed my mind to try again.

but have seen them sold to kiddies as "heavy duty benzos", i tried to explain the stupidity
but they saw for themselves popping a couple 100mg+ and getting knocked out midday :/

hydroxyzine is okay with me, but only as an sleep aid or for use to potentiate anti-histamine combos.
 
Lately I have been shooting diphenhydramine with my suboxone and I have become heavily addicted to it. I shoot about 100mgs with .5-1mg of sub, 5-7x a day. I can't get enough of it, the rush sucks but it's so good at the same time, it's weird. I've gone through at least 200 or more 50mg unisom gels in this past 2-3 weeks.

you shouldn't really shoot antihistamines, it can cause serious damage to your veins... if you're going to do that, at least use a butterfly and flush with saline after you do your shot. much healthier. IV DPH is generally avoided in some clinical settings for this reason... i believe best practice is to always flush with saline in the case when IV antihistamines are used.
 
I suspect this whole class of drugs were first invented to use on seriously ill people in institutions (who had previously been subjected to actual lobotomies or electro-shocks) to sedate them and make them easier to deal with without giving them anything that could provide them with some comfort or well-being (or any kind of pleasure) like benzos.

The first anti-psychotic ever created was chlorpromazine which is good ol Thorazine or if you live in Canada and some other countries Largactil. It was actually made all the way back in 1950 and was originally intended to be used as a anti-histamine. It was only later that it's anti-psychotic effects where discovered and this was one of the most important medical finds in history and the single greatest advance in psychiatry. Before Thorazine and the anti-psychotics that came after it ECT and lobotomies along with permanent institutionalization where the only treatments for severe psychiatric illnesses. But with the advent of this one pill people with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, psychotic depression and other patients previously thought incurable and doomed to institutions could suddenly lead semi normal lives. I don't know about anyone else here but i would much rather take a pill then have ECT or be lobotomized.

As for benzos well they don't work that well on their own for mania or psychosis as anti-psychotics do. Though if your suffering from mania they often give you lorazepam or Valium with a anti-psychotic if you go to the ER or whatever. If benzos where a cure all for mania i wouldn't have to take quetiapine with my clonazepam for bipolar disorder.

Lately I have been shooting diphenhydramine with my suboxone and I have become heavily addicted to it. I shoot about 100mgs with .5-1mg of sub, 5-7x a day. I can't get enough of it, the rush sucks but it's so good at the same time, it's weird. I've gone through at least 200 or more 50mg unisom gels in this past 2-3 weeks.

You can't IV diphenhydramine without using a slow drip. Or should i say you can't safely IV diphenhydramine without using a slow drip. I have had vials of diphenhydramine before and it says on them for slow IV infusion or IM injection. I usually keep a few vials around for IM injection in case i am itchy as fuck and can't be bothered waiting for a pill to kick in or i have a migraine or something and want some diphenhydramine to boost the effects of the morphine. Just straight up IVing it is going to seriously damage your veins and i don't even want to fucking think about what shooting up unisom gels will do to your veins 8o . My god man just eat the damn pills it's not worth ruining your veins for a fucking anti-histamine.
 
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I just can't see any ethical reason for them to be used for anything orher than serious psychosis, hysteria, or extreme sucidal depression. As for me, they just make me feel even more depressed if I'm already depressed, and kills all happiness when I'm in a more manic state.

But then my "Manic-depression" is more of a personality-trait than a serious disease. I don't really see my mania as a problem, I just see it as being happy and lively and how I always want to feel. The problem is more that it has given me such high standards for how I should feel. Maybe I naturally produce a very high level of endorphins/dopamine or feel-good chemicals, so when the level drops off, as it can't be sustained 24 hours every day, I feel dissatisfied.

Apart from that, the only real problems that come from my mania are hyper-activity, hyper-productivity, and hyper-expressiveness, due to my high energy-levels and high state of mind which makes me enjoy everything (like a natural high). This is great for some things, like writing and other work I enjoy, but can be a bit much for others to have to endure.

But as a child I was virtually in a permanent state of mania and would talk every hour of the day and fit as many words into an hour as humanly possible. Even at 11 months I could say 11 words, or the ones that were the most important to me, like the names of loved relatives. So the tendency seems to have been there since birth.

No ADHD, though, concentration and focus has always been high.
 
I just can't see any ethical reason for them to be used for anything orher than serious psychosis, hysteria, or extreme sucidal depression. As for me, they just make me feel even more depressed if I'm already depressed, and kills all happiness when I'm in a more manic state.

But then my "Manic-depression" is more of a personality-trait than a serious disease. I don't really see my mania as a problem, I just see it as being happy and lively and how I always want to feel. The problem is more that it has given me such high standards for how I should feel. Maybe I naturally produce a very high level of endorphins/dopamine or feel-good chemicals, so when the level drops off, as it can't be sustained 24 hours every day, I feel dissatisfied.

Apart from that, the only real problems that come from my mania are hyper-activity, hyper-productivity, and hyper-expressiveness, due to my high energy-levels and high state of mind which makes me enjoy everything (like a natural high). This is great for some things, like writing and other work I enjoy, but can be a bit much for others to have to endure.

But as a child I was virtually in a permanent state of mania and would talk every hour of the day and fit as many words into an hour as humanly possible. Even at 11 months I could say 11 words, or the ones that were the most important to me, like the names of loved relatives. So the tendency seems to have been there since birth.

No ADHD, though, concentration and focus has always been high.
That's not full-blown mania, man. It's hypomania or hyperthymia, whatever you want to call it. When the word "mania" is used in a medical context, people are usually referring to "full-blown mania", which is a psychotic state that not only affects your mood. E.g. the talking lots and lots usually gets to a point where noone will understand a single word anymore. Delusions and hallucinations are usually present as well. Not too easy to spot a delusion yourself though, unless you are exceptionally well-reflected.
Depending on how old you are, you might very well have your first manic episode still ahead. With a cyclothymic personality you are under an increased risk of having bipolar disorder. Btw only bp1 presents full-blown mania.

Also when I was in full-blown mania, not even olanzapine was able to kill my good mood. It took months for me to level back out which isn't that unusual, depending on how long the episode has lasted and how severe it was.

All of it makes so little sense and there's so little intelligence (or maybe too much hidden intelligence) in the whole system it's fucking scary.

I mean, just the fact that someone with NO real knowledge of how a drug works can be in charge to prescribing it to untold numbers of people shouldn't even be a possibiliy or something that could legally happen.

I suspect this whole class of drugs were first invented to use on seriously ill people in institutions (who had previously been subjected to actual lobotomies or electro-shocks) to sedate them and make them easier to deal with without giving them anything that could provide them with some comfort or well-being (or any kind of pleasure) like benzos.

When in this situation I think benzos would actually be the best choice. They are hopeless cases, anyway, and things can't get much worse. And at least it would both calm them down and give them some sense of contentment or actual emotional healing.

But what's really worrying is that they are prescribing these to people outside of psychiatric institutions. And even with very little evaluation, just because traditional anti-depressants aren't effective, or whatever. In my view they have no legitimate use apart from actual psychosis where someone are liable to do harm to themselves and others.
It really shows that you do not have too much experience with acutely psychotic patients. Your reasoning is the type of wishful, highly theoretical thinking that is all too common among those who have never come in touch with serious psychotic illness.

Neuroleptics work and not only do they save lives, they can save families. And no, it's not just our attitude that needs to change towards mental illness. You will agree once a dear friend, partner or family member is turning batshit crazy to the point that he cannot form comprehensible sentences anymore.

My best friend would be dead (3 times over) if it wasn't for neuroleptics to get him back in check. Chances are my daughter wouldn't have a dad anymore if I hadn't given myself into the hands of professional psychiatrists who took their work and their patients very seriously and know damn well what they are prescribing. The very best of them have went out of their way to try said medications for themselves, too, eventhough this is not part of the medical education they receive. Maybe you should volunteer for becoming a doctor and show us how shit is done!
Regarding the "little evaluation"... I don't know where you live, but I got 2-3 hours per week one on one with my psychiatrist and I'm forever in his debt for taking me seriously and listening (!) to me when noone else would. Not my best friends, not my parents, fucking nobody. Cause nobody is educated about these states and most are inable to cope due to being so socially and emotionally involved. Most psychiatrists know damn well that these are primitive medications that will see a lot of improvement in the future. They aren't cures, but they WORK. This isn't saying that there aren't any shitty psychiatrists out there. In fact There are a whole lot of those.

Also, please think about who are you calling "lost cases" here. Again you are talking about actual people with actual lives, families, friends etc. Pharmaceutical treatment is advancing, albeit very slowly.

There's a lot of really wicked shit happening in the pharmaceutical industry, I give you that. We could talk for hours about what is wrong with big pharma, but it doesn't change the fact that neuroleptics are the number one treatment option for acutely psychotic patients and often times save these peoples' existence.

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sure is a lot of writing glorifying a shitty drug. Rationalizing that prisoners will resort to it, does little for your case.
I understand, you want to come online and relive your psychological enjoyment, but I'm sorry I'm not down for that, and not sure that is what the site is about. I do feel empathy for you and in the name of empathy and HR, I hope you find a way to work hard to get through your issues of loneliness and separation from you ex and child. Good luck.
 
sure is a lot of writing glorifying a shitty drug. Rationalizing that prisoners will resort to it, does little for your case.
I understand, you want to come online and relive your psychological enjoyment, but I'm sorry I'm not down for that, and not sure that is what the site is about. I do feel empathy for you and in the name of empathy and HR, I hope you find a way to work hard to get through your issues of loneliness and separation from you ex and child. Good luck.
I tried to approach and explain a phenomenom that's been surfacing in medical journals as of late and that has so far not received the least bit of understanding by bluelighters, a phenomenom that I feel I can understand a lot better in my current situation than I could before. I don't see how your post contributes in any way and I don't think you honestly believe your pseudo-empathy helps me in any way, not that I had asked for it in the first place. Quite on the contrary, call me paranoid, but your phrasing seems cynical at best, mischievous even. This is stuff for a pm if you honestly meant what you said and you know that damn well.

Besides, a drug with a million usd/a worth of sales in the USA alone can hardly be called "shitty".
 
No, I see how it has value to true psychotic patients, just not how it's prescribed so easily to people who suffer from more moderate cases of depression or anxiety as I felt like it virtually destroyed my mind.

I remember one time I took it to abort the effects of MXE which was making me extremely dysphoric, and it made me feel even worse so I ended up taking more MXE just to get out of that state again.
 
No, I see how it has value to true psychotic patients, just not how it's prescribed so easily to people who suffer from more moderate cases of depression or anxiety as I felt like it virtually destroyed my mind.

I remember one time I took it to abort the effects of MXE which was making me extremely dysphoric, and it made me feel even worse so I ended up taking more MXE just to get out of that state again.
Oh I must've misunderstood where you are coming from there. I do agree that a lot of doctors seem to go a bit overboard with their off label prescriptions of neuroleptics, quetiapine in particular. When it's prescribed for insomnia or anxiety I think the train of thought of those doctors must be that it's the lesser of two evils when chosing between benzos and said neuroleptic. It's possible that he thought you might abuse benzodiazepines.

May I ask at what dosage it was prescribed to you? I hear it does a good job for insomnia at dosages below 10mg. I once fell victim to an accidental 400mg dose of quetiapine years ago (before I had ever taken neuroleptics) and it wasn't very fun at all.

I can see how you'd wish for your (possibly ignorant) doc to have experienced the negative sides of such a medication before prescribing it to you. I did wish my (new) psychiatrist would understand what akathisia really means and how agonizing it can be, when I told her I cannot up the dosage any further.
This is especially true for scenarios where there are other treatment options with less side effects than neuroleptics which carry quite a few very nasty ones for long term use. E.g. why not try promethazine for insomnia?! That one is way underprescribed over here.

You do have to understand why some doctors have a tendency to shy away from prescribing benzos though and you might even give them some credit for that. Benzos are amazing for instant relief of anxiety or insomnia, but in the long run they often exacerbate the problem and lead to a very nasty dependence. I'd say they're oversprescribed down here in Germany for sure. I mean, just look at TDS and OD forums and you'll see how most people don't grow much happier with a benzo script...
 
I agree benzos are just as evil but in a completely different way. At least they give instant healing and relief for what you take them for when you take them (apart from more moderate mania where they feel boring and lower your mood) and don't make you suffer even more. They also don't chemically lobotimize you by reducing your ability to think and feel almost turning you into a zombie. Their problems are more to due with addiction, tolerance, and withdrawal.

I can't quite remember how much I was prescribed, but I think I was to start at 100 mgs a day and up it. I just remember it felt bad until I got tolerant to it, and several hundred miligrams was horrible. The only good use I found of it was 25-50 MGs for sleep.
 
I tried to approach and explain a phenomenom that's been surfacing in medical journals as of late and that has so far not received the least bit of understanding by bluelighters, a phenomenom that I feel I can understand a lot better in my current situation than I could before. I don't see how your post contributes in any way and I don't think you honestly believe your pseudo-empathy helps me in any way, not that I had asked for it in the first place. Quite on the contrary, call me paranoid, but your phrasing seems cynical at best, mischievous even. This is stuff for a pm if you honestly meant what you said and you know that damn well.

Besides, a drug with a million usd/a worth of sales in the USA alone can hardly be called "shitty".

Sorry I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. You sound like you still have your physical health(you said you lift weights), and you have a daughter that you care for 4 days a week.

Time to man-up and stop rationalizing. I sincerely wish you good luck.
 
Drugs are neutral, not evil.

crook,

I am very happy that neuroleptics have allowed you to preserve your mind and your family, and that you do not follow the general bluelight trend of writing off anti-psychotic medications useless, or next to; I was recently told by a psychologist something very similar to what you or someone else (I forget who) said, namely that when Thorazine came out it liberated thousands upon thousands of people from living in a hospital. That said, I hope you can appreciate my experience: that the resulting akathisia from being on a high dose of paliperidone was very close to being severe enough to warrant an attempt at suicide for me. As such, and due to my research, I am inclined to more agree with Ninae.

I also am wishing that you wouldn't propagate myths about medicines, namely that benzodiazepines contribute to the problem they're prescribed to fix. I'm sure you will agree that people who have negative experiences with medicines are more likely to post about them than people who've had beneficial experiences, that most of the people who complain about benzodiazepines have abused them, and that the dark side is reserved exclusively for helping people who've had problems with drugs; its not a place for people to extoll the virtues of their regimen.

I agree that benzodiazepines are very dependence-forming, over-prescribed, and do not so fully treat the symptoms of most acute psychotic disorders as neuroleptics do. I think we both know, though, that they aren't usually used for depression, and neither are neuroleptics. Both have potential to alleviate depression, as well as cause it.

As one who has had experience with both benzodiazepines and anti-psychotics, as well as have gotten off both of them, I can say that I am better off with a benzodiazepine, but of course I respect that you may not be.

Peace
 
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