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Misc How quetiapine (Seroquel) is abused

I am inclined to more agree with Ninae. [...] As one who has had experience with both benzodiazepines and anti-psychotics, as well as have gotten off both of them, I can say that I am better off with a benzodiazepine, but of course I respect that you may not be.
I don't think Ninae and me really disagree on this, there was a misunderstanding on my end. She was prescribed neuroleptics off-label for her anxiety, for whichever reason the doctor had in mind. Doesn't seem like it worked out too well.
Benzodiazepines have their indication and aren't really rivalled in those cases by neuroleptics and so do neuroleptics which most definitely cannot be replaced by benzodiazepines either. So it's very very rarely a "this or that" scenario.

I can also very well imagine that akathisia would drive you to suicide or close to it. I don't see what exactly you are agreeing or not agreeing to though, for whatever problems you suffer (which you didn't mention) benzodiazepines might be the correct pharmacological treatment and I wouldn't dare argue against that. I assume they were not given to you to treat psychosis and have never tried to defend off-label use for neuroleptics when there is insufficient data to back up their clinical efficacy.

Sorry I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. You sound like you still have your physical health(you said you lift weights), and you have a daughter that you care for 4 days a week.

Time to man-up and stop rationalizing. I sincerely wish you good luck.
Cynical and mischievous, like I said.
 
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Incidentally, one of our old family friends was the number one psychiatrist in the country (sat in for all the worst court cases), and came from an old family who emigrated from Germany (Fleinsburg) like much of Scandinavian high-society.

He was very brilliant, but unfortunately died over 10 years ago, as I'm sure he knew a thing or two I would have liked to hear.
 
What terrifies me the most about the increasing popularity of Seroquel is that it's being prescribed increasingly to children. It is quite possibly the dirtiest "NEW" anti-psychotic out there and it's being fed to children whose brains aren't even fully constructed yet. In cases of serious psychosis, it has some utility. It certainly put a raging psychotic manic phase to bed (literally) for me. "Chemical lobotomy" is the perfect description. Eventually I developed severe extrapyramidal side effects, including a tremor so bad that I was wheelchair-bound. THANK GOD they went away after stopping that shit.

I'm of the opinion that if you're sane enough to know that they want you to take this crap, you absolutely DO NOT need it. Run away. Run far, far away.

/end rant
 
Talk to your psych doctor about your depression and your need to escape to dream-land.
Wtf do you want from me dude?! I told you to take it to pm. I have multiple sessions of psychotherapy per week as part of integrated therapy (pharmacological and psychological out-patient treatment). I discuss every aspect of my life there. It does not belong here though and I never asked for your help or advice.

Incidentally, one of our old family friends was the number one psychiatrist in the country (sat in for all the worst court cases), and came from an old family who emigrated from Germany (Fleinsburg) like much of Scandinavian high-society.

He was very brilliant, but unfortunately died over 10 years ago, as I'm sure he knew a thing or two I would have liked to hear.
Ye, shame you never got to talk to him!
 
Crook,

I sent you a lengthy reply but your inbox is full. I will try to again tomorrow. I am interested in this conversation.
 
He was interesting, to say the least. From interviews I've seen he was unusually brilliant and would be the one to speak out to the media whenever some criminal had lost it and done something so completely insane it almost defied reality.

If he was reserved for special cases like that I'm sure he knew everything there was to know, and what is more, would have taken me seriously and not just treated me like an idiot/drug-abuser like most doctors I have seen.

There are actually psychiatrists who really get it and excel in their field, just not too many of them for some reason.
 
Since THC is stored in the part of the brain that Processes Dreaming meaning when you do not smoke a lot and do one day you get vivid dreams or if you smoke a certain amount everyday and than stop cold turkey you will have vivid dreams that and I use about Roughly 750mg Valerian Root everyday which induces Vivid Dreams that and the Occassional Direct Melatonin Supplement Vivid dreamers use for that exact purpose and Cannabis makes you release like 6x normal amount of Melatonin day or night that is why you get tired on it. Last thing I need is a Nuerotoxic Antipsyhcotic that is not necessary I use 100mg Diphenhydramine daily although it makes me anxious and nervous as hell it helps me sleep without cuasing serious Nuerological Permenant Damage for life never mind the Vivid dreaming fuck I hate those dreams of everything ek.
 
If he was reserved for special cases like that I'm sure he knew everything there was to know, and what is more, would have taken me seriously and not just treated me like an idiot/drug-abuser like most doctors I have seen.
Yeah this is problematic. Best you can do is be very straight up with the doctors and implicitely show them that you are very well educated on recreational drugs and DO NOT glorify them!
 
Doc gave me this shit for sleep, anxiety. Definitely knocks me out. Gives me the craziest vivid fucking dreams, I have to "come down" from them sometimes , they are so intense. They also give me a hangover feeling in the morning. Also gives me more muchies then after a half hour bong session. No good except for sleep IMO
 
Exactly my point. Vivid dreams are very recreational if your life is otherwise not very exciting. Should've probably not have written such a long initial post or I might have gotten you to read through it.

Seroquel never really did it for me. But putting on a nicotine patch and going to sleep.....fuck yes. Extra vivid dreams and I remember every little detail, awake from dreams and melt right back into them without missing a beat.
 
Seroquel never really did it for me. But putting on a nicotine patch and going to sleep.....fuck yes. Extra vivid dreams and I remember every little detail, awake from dreams and melt right back into them without missing a beat.
Mmmm thanks for the info. Maybe that's why I've been smoking a cigarette in hourly intervals during tha late stages of my "sleep binges". Definitely going to try that. Plus, today is the last day with pot for a bit, have been reducing dosage for a week. Dreams will be fucking crazy.
 
Hmm. Well i was always a big pro Seroquel poster here. Hell its awesome for killing other drugs and sleeping/falling unconscious when nothing else will work. Yes its shit but it has its very specific uses and benefits within the right circumstances.

In terms of recreation potential. I think we need to bear in mind that the concept of typical drug related recreational effects are quite standard and accepted among the majority and usually involve euphoria of some kind.

But we also need to remember that what might be considered a positive experience to somebody might not necessarily involve some kind of euphoria but could instead involve some kind of "experience" instead that is interpreted as positive by the individual within their own unique perspective, which might usually be considered neutral or negative by the majority.

Based on the OP's posts and choice of less common substances I might consider the OP to be more interested in "unique experiences" or states of consciousness (for lack of a better term) in terms of the value gained from substances instead of the more common chemically induced euphoria based reasoning for drug use.

Personally being spiritually inclined and thus enjoying astral travel and the related lucid dreaming experiences mentioned here I would have loved this effect if Seroquel had provided it to me personally which unfortunately it did not. What the OP mentions in this regard sounds amazing, but i think it might be the effect of this substance on his unique brain chemistry instead of the norm and therefore not understood by other Seroquel users, like myself perhaps.

For me and my brother, the worst Seroqul side effect that is truly terrifying is that fuking wierd experience of being unable to swallow. This is apparently quite common but hideous. Sitting there panicking since your throat simply wont flex and perform the action. My bipolar brother on high doses a few times couldnt swallow for hours on end.

He had to lower his head and simply let liquid or food run out of his mouth, sitting on the phone with the doc for hours with them claiming that there is no ways Seroquel can do this yet its on the manufacturers damn website (shows how much your doc knows about the shit hes prescribing you).

Personally only using 300mg i sometimes can swallow for about 1 minute and have to will myself like 7 times before the throat will doing its job. Its not cool at all when natural process like this are effected, it cant be good for the brain at all.

I will say that 150mg of Seroquel does its very specific job perfectly without issues, anything more is scary. NEVER get into a panicked state on seroquel. Its hell on earth (until you pass out thinking your about to die).
 
But we also need to remember that what might be considered a positive experience to somebody might not necessarily involve some kind of euphoria but could instead involve some kind of "experience" instead that is interpreted as positive by the individual within their own unique perspective, which might usually be considered neutral or negative by the majority.

Based on the OP's posts and choice of less common substances I might consider the OP to be more interested in "unique experiences" or states of consciousness (for lack of a better term) in terms of the value gained from substances instead of the more common chemically induced euphoria based reasoning for drug use.

Personally being spiritually inclined and thus enjoying astral travel and the related lucid dreaming experiences mentioned here I would have loved this effect if Seroquel had provided it to me personally which unfortunately it did not. What the OP mentions in this regard sounds amazing, but i think it might be the effect of this substance on his unique brain chemistry instead of the norm and therefore not understood by other Seroquel users, like myself perhaps.

For me and my brother, the worst Seroqul side effect that is truly terrifying is that fuking wierd experience of being unable to swallow. This is apparently quite common but hideous. Sitting there panicking since your throat simply wont flex and perform the action. My bipolar brother on high doses a few times couldnt swallow for hours on end.

He had to lower his head and simply let liquid or food run out of his mouth, sitting on the phone with the doc for hours with them claiming that there is no ways Seroquel can do this yet its on the manufacturers damn website (shows how much your doc knows about the shit hes prescribing you).

Personally only using 300mg i sometimes can swallow for about 1 minute and have to will myself like 7 times before the throat will doing its job. Its not cool at all when natural process like this are effected, it cant be good for the brain at all.

I will say that 150mg of Seroquel does its very specific job perfectly without issues, anything more is scary. NEVER get into a panicked state on seroquel. Its hell on earth (until you pass out thinking your about to die).
I'm really glad you understood what I was saying which most people who posted obviously didn't. Had a feeling most didn't really bother to read the initial post. Regarding the trouble swallowing... I get a badly stuffed nose whnever I take neuoleptics, olanzapine moreso than seroquel. I remember one night in particular when I wasn't used to the side effect when I panicked a bit while lying in bed, cause it felt like my throat was getting tighter and tighter. It takes a LOT for me to panic on drugs! It felt very threatening since I was already forced to breathe through my mouth due to the stuffed nose. Was close to calling up the emergency number of my psychiatrist that night, but got over it fine without doing so. Very scary shit nonetheless! I also would not dare going past my currently prescribed 150mg dose because the akathisia can be absolutely agonizing.
 
Hey people!

Neuroleptics have a very bad reputation as recreational drugs. In fact, most people will claim they have no value whatsoever in that respect. I beg to differ. Prison inmates don't seem to entirely agree either. There have been a large number of scientific articles mentioning the phenomenom of quetiapine having abuse potential and being relatively popular among the prison crowd.

I will try to give you my understanding of what is going on here, myself being a huge fan of the substance. One case report has quoted a prison inmate stating that he gets a "rush" out of IV quetiapine. I cannot personally comment on that very extensively and will focus my efforts on another aspect of the drug's effects. Quetiapine is a strong centrally active antihistamine among other things and I imagine that is how this person gets his enjoyment out of it, as other centrally active antihistamines like hydroxyzine are considered to have recreational value when IV'ed by many bluelighters.

A short bit of history about myself: I DO have access to proper drugs! I can score pretty much any psychoactive compound known to the scene at ridiculously low prices, usually for free. I keep DMT stashed at all times. I have a bipolar 1 diagnosis and have been prescribed olanzapine and quetiapine, the latter for the past 4 months or so at a dosage of ~150mg.

I have both used the IR and the XR form of this substance with the IR being accompanied by stronger akathisia, an extremely unpleasant side effect. The way I describe akathisia to those who have not experienced is by comparing it to the feeling you get when you hold your breath for as long as you can, e.g. underwater. Right before you cannot go on any longer you will get an extremely imperative urge to move. When holding my breath this feeling covers most of my body parts, while the drug induced akathisia is usually limited to certain body parts (in my case, inner thighs and feet). It is attenuated by moving around, but only for the duration of the movement.

Despite this absolutely agonizing side effect, I am a huge fan of the quetiapine and I will finally explain why that is:

Vivid dreams that often linger on into my waking state! I have always been a heavy dreamer and have had a few out of body experiences induced from a state of sleep paralysis right after drifting off to sleep. I am not sure if others who aren't natural dreamers like me will consider quetiapine as valuable as I consider it.

Due to my psychiatric illness, I have had to get 1 year vacation from studying medicine. Due to having a daughter I am not partying anymore or very rarely anyway. Since I am separated from my daughter's mum, I only get to see my daughter 4 days of the week.
The rest of the week I currently don't have a whole lot to do except lifting, eating well and getting my tan on. Now most jailbirds don't really have many options to perform either of the the latter two activities, so I imagine they experience the same problems. Lots of time, being very bored and lonely, without much hope, just feeling like shit whatever they do (hang around I suppose).

I often end up coming home from workout at noon, down a huge meal and find myself in a state of anhedonia, not even enjoying computer games or watching movies. This is where quetiapine comes into play!
I would take my prescribed dosage of e.g. 150mg extended release q and then lie down. It is crucial that I do not smoke too much pot now if I want to get the most out of my dose.

Sleep doesn't come very easily to me, even on q. There is a tendency to wake up after every single REM phase (bout every 3 hours). The first 2 cycles or so are usually not worth mentioning. It gets interesting when most of the quetiapine has been metabolized to norquetiapine. Norquetiapine inhibits NET, a protein that transports noradrenaline (a stimulating monoamine) from the synaptic gap (where it is active) back into the presynapses. I will now wake up much more frequently than every 3h. About hourly I'd say, but there's a large variance.
Every time I wake up I carry to my waking state the memories and emotions I experienced during my dreams. I could fill books with my dreams. I will not bore you with details. Some dreams are gruesome, in others I fall in love, in some I can fly, in others I travel the world. Sometimes I work through issues I experience in waking life during these dreams, though this becomes more rare the more I have dreamt in the past weeks.

Whenever I wake up I smoke a ciggie, eat some snacks, drink some proteine and go back to lala-land. In my experience the dreams increase in intensity for about 15-17h with each cycle of going to sleep and waking up again.

Large parts of my life are currently not enjoyable to me. I imagine that's how a lot of the prison population feels about their life as well. My dreams ALWAYS are exciting and enjoyable, no matter how much pain and blood they are filled with. I prefer a good night of dreams over nodding out on opiates, especially when those have a very bad comedown/withdrawals. I even prefer it to dissociated states these days. Ketamine never gets me to the places my dreams take me.

If you have anything left to enjoy during daytime, you will probably not consider "escape to dream land" an option. If you are like me, you can easily dream away 15-21h per day this way and wake up fully refreshed. It just feels like it's the best I can currently do with my time...

Hope one or the other found this an interesting read. And if it isn't obvious already, the stuff doesn't do shit for my hypomania or depression, it just helps me go to bed so I won't slide off into mania.
Bless you, for that great description of the medication and it s good effects my doctor is currently prescribing it to me for sleep so I'm going to look for some of those dreams! I sure hope you find something to make you happy. You sound so very depressed and sad. I hope that you found some happiness that's all thank you for your advice
 
I was prescribed big ,huge dosage for two years. When I came off I was on edge of a seizure for about 2 weeks. It will help you sleep but i found the side effects Horrible. Do you know if u ou can smoke oxycodone and how thanks
 
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