how much to a k hole?

[gandyland]

amateur k user here. interested in getting in the k hole. how much would you suggest (give it to me in size of bumps, not mg... i'm just no damn good with weights and measures).
thanks.
peace.

 

[sticker]

i dont know how big your jars are that you get, but when i went into my first hole, i did a 20 jar of some good k, i donno if that can help you

 

[Clip]

depends on the temp the water was evaporated off at.... but usually its a whole '20' sak.... or 100-200 mg

 

[Roches]

the temperature the water was evaporated off at shouldn't matter; if you're getting it from a pharm vial (as all ya bastards seem to =)) then k is k.
intramuscularly the k-hole dose in a new user is 100-125 mg.
intranasally, well, at least one of those 20 sacks you seem to all get. apparently they're at least 125 mg, which if you snort it probably isn't enough for a k-hole.
some stuff about k-holing...
your nose might not be able to hold enough k to k-hole you.
you need to do it all at once, too... which is gonna be a problem because you might not be able to absorb it all; you might get a lot of drip. you might sneeze. try not to do this.
...once you're already on k, it's *very* difficult to bump that trip into a k-hole. it seems weird, but once you do your first dose you're going to go as far as you will for a while. further bumps will not k-hole you, and even if you wait until you come down you'll have tolerance.
minimize your stimuli! try to make the room DARK.. don't have any music.. if you're successful, time will STOP, and music will mess with you. if youre generally experienced enough to want to do it alone (and it's WEIRD, it might not be something you'll want to do alone), alone is much better... having people around is not nearly as good, because people move, and worse, people talk to you. being talked to will confuse things. seriously, its possible that you might *not* be able to k-hole if you've got too many stimuli..

 

[muschi]

it is possible to hole thru snorting. I wouldnt call these "bumps" tho.
Snorted... I personally need about 300-400mg to go into a nice hole. preferably more.
This would be the equivilent of a line about (1)foot long. I dont know what people are referring to when they say $20 bags... I've never bought less than a gram, and that usually costs $40-100 depending on how good of connections you have.
The K-Hole is completely different from low doses of ketamine. Be prepared. You are going to go someplace very bizarre.
Some people tend to get really scared in the hole. It is so foreign, and so strange, it is easy to think you are going to die, or you permanently fucked yourself for life.
Fear not. You are going to be OK. The dose they use on humans in hospitals is far greater then you could even comprehend snorting. So relax, and enjoy the ride.
I also suggest doing this alone, in a private room... and making yourself very comfortable. I suggest lying down with your eyes closed and just letting the drug do its thing. Dont get up and try and move around (but then again you probably wont want to)
Music definately alters the trip, but with the proper selection it can really enhance things. A couple things to try musically...
AM Talk Radio
ambient/experimental/idm
and do this with a pair of headphones.
be careful. ketamine is the most psychologically addictive substance i have ever encountered.
-muschi

 

[twenty-five]

Nasal Administration
Threshold .1 mg / lb 10 - 15 mg
Light .15 mg / lb 15 - 30 mg
Common .3 mg / lb 30 - 75 mg
Strong .5 - .75 mg / lb 60 - 125 mg
The K Hole ~ 1 mg / lb 100 - 250 mg
LD50 (IVN-MUS) 77 mg / kg ~4,500 mg
LD50 (IPR-MUS) 400 mg / kg ~24,000 mg

 

[junglist22]

For a while, a few months ago. I was using K heavily 3 times a week, every week for 2-3 months. Sometimes I would do 3 bumps, and I would be rocked. Sometimes, I would bump a 50 jar and then some, and still not get holed.
I guess it all depends on the potency of the K, I think that has a LOT to do with it. The way it's cooked, how long it's been in powder form. Whether or not it was handled with human hands and the oils got on the powder etc. I remember I did some tan K a while back because it was slightly burnt. Even though is was fresh, it did nothing for me even though I railed quite a bit.
While just last week, I did a small 20 bag that almost put me in a K hole.
That's my 2 cents.
------------------
AIM: Junglist22
"P.L.U.R. can suck my C.O.C.K."

 

[Clip]

^-- about time someone else speaks from experience and not out their ass.
im telling you the temp you evap. the water off with effect potency... no more about this ok? i did a good chart on effects i have experienced at what temps etc.... maybe ill pull it back up

 

[gollygbob]

Clip, did you ever find the ideal temperature, humidity, etc to dry K? Also is there and ideal temp, etc for storage of the liquid and of the powder?
I have tried a couple of different methods, but my results haven't left me with any definitive answers. No real measurements were taken so all observations are solely subjective.
ID Desc
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A1 Air dried for 3days
B150 Baked @ 150 for 20min
B250 Baked @ 250 for 15min
A2 A1 Baked @ 150 for 20min
A3 A1 crushed and dried additional 1-2 days.
A4 A3 two weeks later baked @ 150 for 20 min.
Observations:
A1 after 3 days it was not completely dry but I was impatient to try it. The effect was nominal. Still impatient, I thought perhaps excess moisture was the problem. A2 was better than A1 but not as good as
The other tests. B150 was comparable to A3 which was the best in my opinion. B250 was good but significantly weaker. After 2 weeks, B150 was gone, oops. B250 seemed comparable to earlier. A3 seemed to have lost potency. It could be tolerance except others who had not been doing it as frequently agreed that time had not been kind to it. Wondered if A3 had absorbed moisture so I made A4. There was a slight improvement but it may have only been in my head.
From results it seems best to store as liquid until needed. Then air dry if possible. If not then bake @ 150 or maybe @ 100. At this temp I think the oven is only drying the air. not really warm enough to change the nature of the chem.

 

[MDMARI]

Just cooked a jar of tokkyo last nite in my oven. Put it in a pretty big pyrex glass plate and put on the bottom shelve. I put the temperature at 190 exactly and waited 45-50 mins checkin up on it.Scraped it off and it came out to 4 and a half jars. Wish I could explain how big the jars are. K was pretty dam pink. The razor had some red k, not pink, red k on it and i scraped it off and railed it. It was like half the length of the razor blade and it fucked me up pretty good. This method yielded the strongest k I've had. Gotta try it just leaving it out overnite.peace

 

[Petersko]

Oh for God's sake - here we go again.
Ketamine breaks down at something like 283 degrees celcius. Stay well below this mark, and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference how you dry out your K. Whether you let it sit in a plate, boil it off gently, or distill it, once the K is dry, it will be the same damn strength. If you exceed the max temperature you begin to degrade the product, and it will weaken.
Differences experienced during testing can be attributed to many other factors. The same insufflated dose of K will hit you differently depending on your physical state of being, how long you've been awake, and even the time of day. There are many physiological variables.
Why then do you have this absurd notion that a stable substance with a melting point of 283 degrees will magically become more potent because you used a particular method to extract the water?

 

[day_for_night]

^
|
exactly, k is k is k end of story. the fact that you got more fuct up one time than another means there was something different with YOU, not the k.

 

[reggin]

The only differences in ketamine from what i understand is there are a few differen isomers(sp?) of ketamine that have slightly different effects. All vetrenary ketamine (from a vial) is the same isomer so unless you get some of the shit from china that comes in powder form its gonna be the same

 

[gollygbob]

K may be K but.....
1 vile contains Ketamine hydrochloride or Ketamine HCl. Its chemical formula is C13_H16_Cl_N_O - H_Cl and has a molecular weight of 274.1894. The formula can also be written C13_H17_Cl2_N_O as shown here. Notice the diagram of the chemical structure. The HCl is not connected to the Ketamine structure. This condition exists when the Ketamine HCl is suspended in a solution of water.
HCl is a gas at well below room temp (-85.06°C) but is anhydrous so it is stays in the water. Its molecular weight is 36.4609. Thus it is likely that the HCL would evaporate to produce pure Ketamine with a molecular weight of 237.7285.
It is also possible that under the correct conditions the HCl could bond with the other elements to produce an entirely different chemical. This chemical which is NOT Ketamine HCl has the same chemical formula and molecular weight. Notice the difference in this structure from the Ketamine HCl structure.
Also two other chemical structures have the same chemical formula and molecular weight as Ketamine.
While it is true that the solid Ketamine melts at 263°C it must be stored below 25-30°C and protected from light. A sealed vile exposed to light or temperature will gradually change color and/or develop a precipitate. If this happens the vile should not be used. If light and temp are a factor in a sealed bottle it is likely that they would have an effect on the cooking process. Also the storage of the powdered K is probably important also to prevent degradation over time.
I am not a chemist I just play one on TV. Seriously look at the links and always do you own research before using any substance not prescribed by a doctor. Even then you might want to make sure they are right.
------------------
What you got? Is that all?
[This message has been edited by gollygbob (edited 28 June 2001).]

 

[tree dub]

my first experience with the shit consisted of me blowing like a $10 rail, then going into a k-hole about 8 minutes later. you can never tell

 

[buddah]

did you guys ever think that instead of saying stupid shit like, oh this k isnt as potent as my last stuff, that maybe, just MAYBE the dealer you get it off of is busting your head and cutting your shit. this way say you got a 200mg 20 sac. you think its 200 mg when you do it but dont get as fucked up as you should. maybe that 200mg consisted of 150mg of ketamine and 50mg of b12, or say 100mg of ketamine, 20mg of salt, and 80mg of a laxative. or anything else.
------------------
got brain from this bitch like whoa!

 

[avatarolt]

The dosage on K varies not only from trip to trip but also person to person.
Fictional story told in 1st person based on fact: I once passed out after railing two 2-inch lines and didn't wake up for 8 hrs. I don't know if it was because of physical condition at the time or what, but I don't go near the substance because of it. Kind of instilled a deep fear in me, if y'know what I mean.

 

[abygale]

About K's different effects based on the user's physical state: it's a completely different experience for me if I do it on a normal day when I've been up maybe 12 or so hours than it is after being awake for a day or two. K added to sleep deprivation has amounted for me to some of the most frightening and frustrating experiences I've had from any substance.
That's happened with several different brands and cooking methods, so I wouldn't attribute the different effects to those variations.
- aby

 

[Jabberwocky]

Learn these charts and commit them to memory:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_dose.shtml
End of story.
------------------
"I dislike the drug you are using, but I would defend with my life your right to use it."
- Paraphrase on Voltaire
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."
- Dr. Johnson
"We do not sense imagination enough to sense what we are missing."
-Jean Toomer