Misc How much is safe to drink while under the influence of Barbs?

[jess046]

Yes, I know the correct answer is nothing, but say you dose a tiny bit of barbiturates in the afternoon and then have a couple of drinks at dinner, is that safe? What about if you have drinks, but also have an upper (I was thinking meth or MDMA) to compensate for the sleepy effects of the barbs?

Okay this sounds like a recipe for disaster, I know, but basically I just want to know if a few drinks are safe with barbiturates, as long as you don't get pissed. I want to enjoy the euphoric effects of the barbiturates, but I have plans for dinner tonight with friends and social conventions will probably prompt me to have a few beers.

 

[T. Calderone]

Are you talking butabital or something stronger? They potentiate each other, so I wouldn't recommend it.

 

[jess046]

Pentobarbital.

I know, I know it's a bad idea. I have reasonable self control though so I'm wondering if I can mitigate any potential consequences by planning my doses. Was think 100mg of pento, plus a couple of 1.4 beers.

Or what if I drank at dinner and dosed the barbs afterward...like an hour or two, that would be okay wouldn't it?

EDIT: Oh hang on I just remembered I took a 2mg Valium tablet at midnight yesterday to help me sleep. Will that still be effecting me by about 8pm today?

EDIT: I ended up doing two split 50mg doses of the barbs, with half a point of meth, and a point of MDMA, which was consumed half an hour to hour after the barb doses. The barbs seemed to do very little at first, which disappointed me, but as the night went I gradually began to feel slightly out of it, as if in dreamlike haze, and my walkwas not quite as what would you expect, but my limbs were certainly flailing all over the place. I also feel a weird sense of longing to be with someone, but at the same time perfectly just to sit on my own with complete apathy. For some reason, and I have no idea if the barbs impacted on this in anyway, the MDMA was extremely intense. I snorted a line during the come-up of my first dose and it was bloody crazy. Like rush you get from IVing.

 

[downerhead]

Yeah,I know the correct answer is not to mix them at all but I used to have a lot of fun with barbs and alcohol.I didn't know you could still get the good barbs anymore,just bullshit like phenobarbital or butalbital.I miss the good ones like seconal and nembutal.You're lucky to get them.Then again it's pretty much universally agreed that benzos and alcohol is a bad idea but it's a combo I enjoy immensly.And no,2mg of valium won't be affecting you 20 hours later.Not even 20mg would.I know eveyone's body chemistry and metabolism is different but that's a long time for any dose of pills to affect you.I wish I could get pills to affect me for 20 hours.

 

[jess046]

Haha I know they don't effect you, but they have a long half life and could potentially enhance respiratory depression.

Ok so here's the deal - I dosed 100mg of barbs to start off the night, following one beer an hour earlier, after which I dosed half a point of meth. Boring. Nothing. Nada. Zip. The doses were obviously too low but I was trying to be extra careful.
Feeling bored and agitated, I decided to dose another 50mg of barbs, already determined to not drink a drop of alcohol, but I decided to amp up the dull speedy affects of this supposed 'speedball' with MDMA. After a few hiccups (you can read about all my exciting adventures in another thread on the MDMA page), I was finally stupendously high...but not in the way I wanted. Sprawled on the bed rushing with eye wobbles for two hours kind of high, which sounds nice, but not so much when your friends are all waiting for you out on the town.

I think I give up on the idea of a barb speedball. I guess a higher dose of barbs (250mg) and a higher speed dose (1 point) may work, but it seems to me that the barbiturates are really just masking the effects of the stimulant rather than enhancing or adding to them.

But hey, if you're into the whole curled up in bed at midnight on a busy Friday night waiting for your eye wobbles to reside and your heart to slow down, along with being completely unable to walk in a straight line or converse articulately, then this is the high for you.

Barbs are best left for comedowns methinks.

 

[downerhead]

Oh definitely.It seems like the speed and barbs would kinda fight against one another and cancel each other out but what you went through certainly doesn't sound like any fun.Then again,I don't like speedy things at all.That's why I stick with the nice relaxing stuff.Did you go through any scary,anxiety filled periods during the whole sprawled out,eye wobble thing?I can only imagine it must have really sucked.

 

[opiatekrzy]

I wont even condone to drinking on barbs, I would say avoid all alcohol, taking barbs alone is dangerous and high prone for overdose

 

[opiatekrzy]

barbs are not speedball material, opiates really are the only type of downers that syngergize with stimulants causing nice effects..barbs and benzos just kill the stimulant effect when taken too much or kill negative side effects

Haha I know they don't effect you, but they have a long half life and could potentially enhance respiratory depression.

Ok so here's the deal - I dosed 100mg of barbs to start off the night, following one beer an hour earlier, after which I dosed half a point of meth. Boring. Nothing. Nada. Zip. The doses were obviously too low but I was trying to be extra careful.
Feeling bored and agitated, I decided to dose another 50mg of barbs, already determined to not drink a drop of alcohol, but I decided to amp up the dull speedy affects of this supposed 'speedball' with MDMA. After a few hiccups (you can read about all my exciting adventures in another thread on the MDMA page), I was finally stupendously high...but not in the way I wanted. Sprawled on the bed rushing with eye wobbles for two hours kind of high, which sounds nice, but not so much when your friends are all waiting for you out on the town.

I think I give up on the idea of a barb speedball. I guess a higher dose of barbs (250mg) and a higher speed dose (1 point) may work, but it seems to me that the barbiturates are really just masking the effects of the stimulant rather than enhancing or adding to them.

But hey, if you're into the whole curled up in bed at midnight on a busy Friday night waiting for your eye wobbles to reside and your heart to slow down, along with being completely unable to walk in a straight line or converse articulately, then this is the high for you.

Barbs are best left for comedowns methinks.

 

[Grinders Kiefers]

As everyone has said, it's not a good idea to take alcohol with barbiturates, and I don't think there was too much, if any, additional risk by taking the meth and MDMA, but I don't really understand what you were expecting. They obviously overpowered the Pentobarbital, but that's not surprising considered 100mg is a relatively low dose which you may not even feel much from without the added drugs. If you're going to take stimulants, I would think using the Pentobarbital to come down would be better than trying to get high on that and meth or MDMA at the same time for any type of "speedball" effect.

 

[jess046]

I think a couple of drinks is okay with the barbs from my experience over the last couple of weeks, along as you count each drink as another dose of barbs (which is around 200mg to get high). My LD50 is 5,664mg (118mg/kg) and since its half life is 15 hours, you've just got to make sure you don't go over your LD during that period, which honestly seems like it would be pretty difficult to do, considering you'd have to take over 10 doses to get there (28 doses of 200mg!). The meth and Barbs was a bust, which disappointed me since they were sold together as pills in the sixties and seventies and were supposedly wicked fun. Maybe it's a dosage issue, since my 100mg was very small, but like I said, I wanted to play it safe the first time and not ruin my night by passing out. Nevertheless, I don't think I'll be trying a speedball with barbs anytime soon, but it is the best thing I've ever had for a comedown (beats benzos and opiates in my opinion). It also has a nice synergy with MDMA, dosage around 250mg, MDMA 100mg - MD dosed first.

I'm interested in using barbiturates as a replacement for alcohol following these experiences and realising how much I don't miss that awful hangover from alcohol, nor the actual 'high' from alcohol, which is not as fun as barbiturates. But I like the anti-anxiety effects it has for socialising. Only problem is a good dose of barbs (anywhere between 250 up to 500mg) will make me too sleepy to socialise in a meaningful way, which I guess is where my idea for a speedball came in. What about using dexamphetamine with the barbs to stay awake? I guess the key would be a tiny dose of speed (10 -20mg) for wakefulness and a more intoxicating dose of barbs for the fun part?

 

[Keif' Richards]

ZERO

Barbiturates are even more dangerous than Benzodiazepines when combined with alcohol. Not to mention the LD50 of Barbiturates are much lower even on their own.

With that said, two drinks later on in the day, after the strongest of effects from the barbs have waned, is probably acceptable. Combining CNS depressants like alcohol and barbs/benzos have an incredible ability to lower your inhibitions. In this instance, this effect could cause you to drink more than just the two drinks that you intended upon.

Always keep in mind the fact that when you start drinking with benzos/barbs, your judgement is gravely affected. The decisions that you thought you would make when you were sober-minded could be radically different than the outcome. Be careful.