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Tryptamines How much do SSRIs diminish a DMT trip

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Im sure this question has been asked but im curious about people's experience.

I am prescribed Trazadone 50mg at night and Lexapro 5-10 mg during the day. Since it diminishes the effect of DMT, I stopped the Lexapro for 2 months. I wound the Traz down to 12.5 mg per night.


Has anyone stayed on their full prescription dose? How much does it diminish the trip?

I really want to get back on the meds for my Social Anxiety, but I really want to breakthrough on a DMT trip for personal development. I have tried DMT 3 times but havent broke through. I need to work on my technique.
 
I'd also like the answer.

I've never tried DMT but always wanted to and I'm on Lexapro and doubt I could easily get off of it but this would eventually be a reason to try.

I don't understand why it would interfere so much when shrooms are also a tryptamine and they work fine for me on SSRIs but I guess the two are different.

I hate how many drugs SSRIs interfere with. I hope I can get off them some day.
 
I'd also like the answer.

I've never tried DMT but always wanted to and I'm on Lexapro and doubt I could easily get off of it but this would eventually be a reason to try.

I don't understand why it would interfere so much when shrooms are also a tryptamine and they work fine for me on SSRIs but I guess the two are different.

I hate how many drugs SSRIs interfere with. I hope I can get off them some day.

Have your tried shrooms off lexapro vs on lexapro? Any difference in the trip at all?

DMT and Mushrooms are extremely similar structurally so if you feel the full effects of shrooms you most likely with feel the effects of DMT.
 
Have your tried shrooms off lexapro vs on lexapro? Any difference in the trip at all?

DMT and Mushrooms are extremely similar structurally so if you feel the full effects of shrooms you most likely with feel the effects of DMT.
I never did shrooms on Lexapro but every time I ever did them (like maybe 10 times or so) I was on Prozac which is similar to Lexapro and also an SSRI and I always had good trips. I mean I only very rarely got visuals but that might not be because of the Prozac cause I know many people say they don't always get them from shrooms and I do believe the Prozac probably weakened the trip but I could have just taken more and next time I get the chance I'll take 5 grams instead of an 8th.

I don't know what pretty much any drug is like without being on an SSRI as I've been on them since age 14 and I never used drugs at that age.
 
**busted in to PD to correct the incorrect grammar in the title it was bugging the fuck out of me**

Carry on
 
I've tripped on various psychedelics while on celexa, cymbalta, and effexor and didn't notice any difference. I don't think most SSRI generally affect 5ht2a receptors all that much.

The REAL bitch on SSRI is that it blocks most of the effects of MDMA by blocking the serotonin transport mechanism. Different mechanism of action and effect than psychedelics.
 
I'd say that DMT is too potent for SNRI related receptor downregulation to reach trip-stopping intensity but you might require higher than usual dosages. At least my experiences are that S/NRI (venlafaxine 150mg in me) completely destroy shrooms but on the same dosage I got normal dose-to-effects ratio from 1cP-LSD, it took some time for the effects to set in but that's nothing special, and then I got absolutely beautiful visuals.

Weirdly enough I got nice effects from 4-MMC and 4,4'-dimethylaminorex even while on SNRI (don't do this at home; serotonin syndrome isn't exactly fun, but also exceedingly rare) but maybe these have stronger affinity to the SERT than MDMA which isn't exactly potent (4-MMC isn't either but would say a bit more?).

Also weird that neurogenesis (anti-depressant effects, etc) from 5ht2a agonists even happens in the presence of an antagonist! We have a posting about this around here. There's still much to learn about neuroscience and that receptor specially.
 
I'd say that DMT is too potent for SNRI related receptor downregulation to reach trip-stopping intensity but you might require higher than usual dosages. At least my experiences are that S/NRI (venlafaxine 150mg in me) completely destroy shrooms but on the same dosage I got normal dose-to-effects ratio from 1cP-LSD, it took some time for the effects to set in but that's nothing special, and then I got absolutely beautiful visuals.

Weirdly enough I got nice effects from 4-MMC and 4,4'-dimethylaminorex even while on SNRI (don't do this at home; serotonin syndrome isn't exactly fun, but also exceedingly rare) but maybe these have stronger affinity to the SERT than MDMA which isn't exactly potent (4-MMC isn't either but would say a bit more?).

Also weird that neurogenesis (anti-depressant effects, etc) from 5ht2a agonists even happens in the presence of an antagonist! We have a posting about this around here. There's still much to learn about neuroscience and that receptor specially.
I also got far better effects from 4,4-DMAR on an SSRI than I did with MDMA, 5-APB, and 5-MAPB, too. It was amazing!! I've read people's posts before claiming the ability to still roll on 4-MMC while on SSRI/SNRI before as well.

4-MMC and 4,4-DMAR are both para methyl, beta oxygenated, amphetamines basically. They feel quite different to me yet there is definitely something similar happening. I'm looking for beta methoxy 4-methyl methamphetamine next.

Honestly for me I never noticed an interaction with citalopram (celexa) and psychedelics and the OP is taking lexapro which is the s-isomer of citalopram. I wouldn't think twice about taking psychedelics on it but that's just me maybe.
 
4-MMC and 4,4-DMAR are both para methyl, beta oxygenated, amphetamines basically. They feel quite different to me yet there is definitely something similar happening. I'm looking for beta methoxy 4-methyl methamphetamine next.
Oh yeah, bring back that para-methylated serotonin goodness! It's a shame that 4,4'-DMAR had to take such a death toll just because of reckless capitalist vendors. This stuff was indeed amazing! At 25-50mg I was like 10 days constantly rolling, even when each one was slightly less intense than the before, I guess with MDMA that's unthinkable. Never ever had a full traditional roll yet so can't compare really, but my experiences from 4,4'-DMAR (very clear headed) and 4-MMC (pretty trippy and somewhat dirty at higher doses, enjoyable at lower ones though) come pretty close to what I'd expect from MDMA, just staying somewhere in the middle in terms of clearness.

It's something which I plan to catch up on in future but I fear a bit that prolonged venlafaxine (+ low dose DXM for quite some time when summed up) use might have left me with a permanently altered serotonin system. Also my hunch is that SSRIs underlie the same tolerance and receptor downregulation rules as all drugs and thus people being new on a SSRI with most of their transporter blocked won't feel much of a roll but maybe more of headache (but that's a strange one; e.g. paroxetine gives me bad headaches while venlafaxine and fluoxetine don't. A doc told me it was because of the potency and that 'too much serotonin' caused headache but well then why doesn't MDMA induce such, also with reuptake inhibitors the net increase in serotonin is limited due to autoreceptors; so maybe that doc didn't know everything, as usual.
Well and then as months pass and the brain re-regulates, there will eventually be more free SERT to be inversed by MDMA. Correct me if I'm wrong, somehow I have the lingering memory that once somebody here told me that the theory of inversed transporters about releasers was outdated, but maybe that only applies to amphetamine being a TAAR agonist. At least methylphenidate and cocaine have been shown to actually inverse agonize the DAT, and probably also SERT for cocaine.

Some chem I was always curious about is 4-MAR. Must be a cross between 4,4'-DMAR and meth; some rare experience reports make a good impression, never ever read anything bad about it other than the long duration which DMAR shared (I could sleep well on it though, it had a pretty sudden comedown after maybe 9-10h which sometimes brought me tears for some minutes but then it was over. Redosing a tiny amount also helped.) With DMAR it's remarkable that we have a SNDRA and MAO-A inhibitor packed into one single molecule, what sounds like serotonin syndrome and hypertension is actually pretty good, guess it must be either a low strength MAOI and/or a reversible one. A cautious experiment involving moclobemide and a tiny amount of amphetamine heavily increased my blood pressure and felt just tensious, no euphoria or focus at all, but that might be explainable by low-threshold dose amph being selectively norepinephrinergic and DMAR was more balanced, I'd say 5-HT < DA < NE and MAO-A inhibition. Might be completely wrong though.

Yeah, psychedelics on SSRI won't cause harm unless one is heavily predisposed to serotonin syndrome, I myself combined recklessly and know of others who also got no or only mild symptoms. It can become uncomfortable though, I remember me redosing shrooms when I was put freshly on a SSRI and thought they were bunk because of no effects. Ended up with heavy speediness and scattered thoughts, but also at that time I knew little about drugs and that psychedelics can't kill or maybe even harm you as long as it's not synthetic 5ht2a full agonists. Serotonin toxicity is not to joke though and always better to be safe than sorry. They should give cyproheptadine (seems to be the serotonin antagonist of choice) nasal spray to psychonauts in the same fashion as people can get naloxone kits.
 
Oh yeah, bring back that para-methylated serotonin goodness! It's a shame that 4,4'-DMAR had to take such a death toll just because of reckless capitalist vendors. This stuff was indeed amazing! At 25-50mg I was like 10 days constantly rolling, even when each one was slightly less intense than the before, I guess with MDMA that's unthinkable. Never ever had a full traditional roll yet so can't compare really, but my experiences from 4,4'-DMAR (very clear headed) and 4-MMC (pretty trippy and somewhat dirty at higher doses, enjoyable at lower ones though) come pretty close to what I'd expect from MDMA, just staying somewhere in the middle in terms of clearness.

It's something which I plan to catch up on in future but I fear a bit that prolonged venlafaxine (+ low dose DXM for quite some time when summed up) use might have left me with a permanently altered serotonin system. Also my hunch is that SSRIs underlie the same tolerance and receptor downregulation rules as all drugs and thus people being new on a SSRI with most of their transporter blocked won't feel much of a roll but maybe more of headache (but that's a strange one; e.g. paroxetine gives me bad headaches while venlafaxine and fluoxetine don't. A doc told me it was because of the potency and that 'too much serotonin' caused headache but well then why doesn't MDMA induce such, also with reuptake inhibitors the net increase in serotonin is limited due to autoreceptors; so maybe that doc didn't know everything, as usual.
Well and then as months pass and the brain re-regulates, there will eventually be more free SERT to be inversed by MDMA. Correct me if I'm wrong, somehow I have the lingering memory that once somebody here told me that the theory of inversed transporters about releasers was outdated, but maybe that only applies to amphetamine being a TAAR agonist. At least methylphenidate and cocaine have been shown to actually inverse agonize the DAT, and probably also SERT for cocaine.

Some chem I was always curious about is 4-MAR. Must be a cross between 4,4'-DMAR and meth; some rare experience reports make a good impression, never ever read anything bad about it other than the long duration which DMAR shared (I could sleep well on it though, it had a pretty sudden comedown after maybe 9-10h which sometimes brought me tears for some minutes but then it was over. Redosing a tiny amount also helped.) With DMAR it's remarkable that we have a SNDRA and MAO-A inhibitor packed into one single molecule, what sounds like serotonin syndrome and hypertension is actually pretty good, guess it must be either a low strength MAOI and/or a reversible one. A cautious experiment involving moclobemide and a tiny amount of amphetamine heavily increased my blood pressure and felt just tensious, no euphoria or focus at all, but that might be explainable by low-threshold dose amph being selectively norepinephrinergic and DMAR was more balanced, I'd say 5-HT < DA < NE and MAO-A inhibition. Might be completely wrong though.

Yeah, psychedelics on SSRI won't cause harm unless one is heavily predisposed to serotonin syndrome, I myself combined recklessly and know of others who also got no or only mild symptoms. It can become uncomfortable though, I remember me redosing shrooms when I was put freshly on a SSRI and thought they were bunk because of no effects. Ended up with heavy speediness and scattered thoughts, but also at that time I knew little about drugs and that psychedelics can't kill or maybe even harm you as long as it's not synthetic 5ht2a full agonists. Serotonin toxicity is not to joke though and always better to be safe than sorry. They should give cyproheptadine (seems to be the serotonin antagonist of choice) nasal spray to psychonauts in the same fashion as people can get naloxone kits.
I've only done 4,4-DMAR once and there was VERY little info about possible safety and dosages at the time (~2013). I binged a whole gram in like 8 hours. It started out like a really clear headed roll but by the end the shadow people were out in full color but I had zero anxiety about them because I was still kinda feeling like rolling. I remember seeing a shadow person climbing in through the window and remember how I tried to spank them on the ass with the flat side of a kitchen knife. Lol. My wife and mom were there and aware I was consuming it and were not pleased at all. I still refused to hand it over and did the whole gram out of a glass snuff bullitt that I was keeping in my underwear. Lol. Insanity, but I knew I was likely to only get one chance to experience it and was so high after my first dose that I refused to hand it over and got high in front of them all night.
 
@simstim, that's crazy and revises some things I thought about the DMAR. Maybe the info about MAO inhibition is either wrong or it binds only insignificantly - otherwise you would have got serotonin syndrome. Hallucinations are a symptom of that though, and maybe you had your share of it, but afaik uncomfortable stimulation and anxiety too are major symptoms. So little is known for sure, maybe some individuals can't get SS at all or only with ridiculous amounts of serotonin while others (there are some cases, odds are that these people in question didn't reveal taking other drugs though) can get it from just a single SSRI. Some from two SSRIs, other require a MAOI. I mean to remember that I must have had some venlafaxine still in my system when doing DMAR and also took some the day after as I got slight brain zaps (hallmarks of serotonin dysbalance) and based on theory I should have gotten symptoms but I didn't. Oh how I'd love to see a extensive binding assay of this compound.

Interesting also the relation to pemoline, which too has supposed 'nootropic-like' properties which other stims don't share. Reports of that are very rare, only country to still sell it is Japan, and I can't a single word of Japanese. Read both, that it was nothing special (this was a second hand report though) and that it was much better than your average adderall as in less tolerance, less jitteriness. 4-MAR too is said to improve cognition.
 
I think 4-MM (recently so named in a research article about comparing dopaminergic neurotoxicity between 4-MMC, meth, MDMA, methcathinone, and 4-MM) aka 4-methylmethamphetamine is likely to be an maoi with pharmacology similar to 4,4-DMAR. However, I've never seen actual conclusive test results suggesting maoi activity. I think most likely that's the only reason it's not a huge commercial success. I'm hoping the beta methoxy version won't be an maoi and be more 4-MMC like.

4,4-DMAR is the only RC that I can think of where it was mostly voluntarily pulled from the market due to safety concerns instead of due to illegalization. I would totally do it again, though. I recently saw a very questionable clearnet site advertising kilos of 4,4-DMAR and thought to myself surely not!?
 
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@Hexagon Sun: What do you think about T supplementation, is this only an option when your natural production is fucked up beyond repair and will every bit of T cause further suppression and dysfunction in the long run, along with boobs etc. or is this overblown? Once I read that the androgen antagonist(!) triptanoreline was used to re-start test production after severe suppression by steroids, that has been the only report but it was an official paper written by a doc. So, will both artificial T stop production but this stop being reversible? Does T follow the same rules as e.g. dopamine, but somehow I have the impression that each and any of these circuits reacts differently which also makes sense given the differing evolutionary backgrounds.

Anyways, I've acquired some T gel (it's OTC here, to my surprise, albeit expensive and when they didn't stock proviron even when being on list). Today is day 2 of applying 50mg's and indeed I feel something coming back. Not libido or erections, but a general feeling of calm, focused well-being and of 'here and now' instead of in a fog. Unsure about how much is T and how much the other substances, mostly prolintane, used during the same time but it was threshold amounts of a weak stim with the prolintane when in past even stronger ones failed, so I guess the T will be relevant. Will see the next days.

Yeah, they neglect serious long term effects. I hate to hear that strong antidopaminergics weren't supposed to feel like anything at all if you weren't psychotic but they just forgot that back in the pre-Leponex (clozapine) era fucking side effects were seen as an indicator for the meds working. Don;t remember in which thread I wrote that but my prolactin levels were above double the max while T scrapped at the bottom line of reference. Thyroid's messed up too, and if I couldn't just walk in the analysis and by whatever package I like, I would maybe never have known, they only do the 10th iteration of the same basic blood work when you come complaining but don't do anything innovative. ('don't look for things too fancy when the basic stuff might work' - yeah, but if it doesn't.)
 
I guess it depends on your age. I would say from 40-50 is ok and even quite healthy to go on TRT. If you are younger, maybe I would try to restart your own production, but if somehow is impossible to get it, I would just fab my own T gel, or start pinning twice a week. You know this is a for life compromise, so you just better learn everything about it to take the best informed decision.

Personally one book that was like a godsend was the TOT bible by Jay C Campbell. (He offer free online even if this link is to buy, look)
He explains everything about sexual hormones, pros, cons, techniques, etc and mostly all available biohacking to have your hormones wet, healthy and juicy

To reestart production, normaly is used Nolvadex/Clomid and HCG. I dont know about triptamorelin. Maybe is addressed in the book, honestly I dont remember
 
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Here is a direct link to the book, guess when it's on his own page it's okay to post:

Just began reading but the index looks good so far. Just don't like that he speaks about transforming your life and stuff, sounds like work and the usual coaching (non-)bullshit where people spend fortunes for the fortune of others instead of treating themselves a bit better. It's for free though so I don't have much to lose. Don't get me wrong, some time ago I liked working, but this was with boundless energy which I then learned to suppress as not to catch too many unwanted attention when I lost myself in a healthcare industry telling you that it was all just your brain psyche, so no blaming on the brain, it's me (which might be the same, but in a different sense).

Weird stuff is that my value isn't as low as I thought, confused it with the prolactin being more than twice as high as it should. T was 4.9ng/mL which isn't so bad given that I never did a single exercise for the last 10 years or so (actually I did, numerous attempts to do so, but always failed at either lethargy or rage). Then I'm not supposed to get benefits from more T, am I?

Yet why it's called a life compromise when we have ways to re-start natural production (as long as the testes aren't too much atrophied I guess, but I can't stop to see similarities to DA agonists which are oh so bad for you just because they cause withdrawal in people with Parkinson's after they masked their symptoms for awhile and the illness progressed beneath)? But it brings interesting analogies to neurotransmitters; PAWS is chronically suppressed DA output (afaik), will then using a strong antagonist like e.g. haloperidol (if it just wasn't so toxic) possibly re-start DA production or cyproheptadine for 5-HT? At least for serotonin it seems more to be the case with (5ht2a) agonists but who knows maybe these receptors are of that kind which reacts similarly to ant- and agonists.

I'm still below 35 btw, and was one of those who could eat what they wanted without putting on fat or lose energy but always took that for granted, given we have some very obese people who conserved at least their mental energy but w/o that you don't needa no fat to be lost. Things began to go downhill when I went on morphine/methadone maintenance. Didn't expect that from pharm grade opiates which are said you could spend your life on them without hurting your body, and after surviving what might have been one if not two heart attacks from excessive vasoconstriction and hundreds of grams of RCs..
 
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