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How many people do you know who killed themselves during the Covid hoax during 2020?

They don't know if the model is wrong yet, I'm wondering how you know when you've never engaged with the math or conducted a physics experiment
What experimentation? You literally can not work with dark matter/energy because by its definition it is not manifest in the physical universe! That's also how I know it's bullshit, because nothing exists to verify its existence beyond the assertions by the mathematical speculators that it does exist.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.
 
Part of the scientific process is not knowing things, if you're uncomfortable with that then scientific research is not the field for you
 
woah people really believe covid was a hoax?? Bill gates owns the patent to covid; not covid 19 but Covid. Than if I recall phiser brought it to china? If so; why on gods green earth would I be suprised a stronger analog of covid (for lack of understanding) would be made?

That seems to be something they do? Agenda 51, 5g, is this Qanon shit?

What shape is the earth in your opinion? Totally comfortable having an open mind.

What do those covid reagent strips they sell test for exactly? Good starting point
 
How do you know they're wrong? Why do you think you're not wrong?
What prevents you from realising that human nature has not changed despite science supplanting religion?

I've explained already. There was a fundamental, irreconcilable flaw with the gravitational equations that failed to account for the rotation of spiral galaxies, and the only way to remedy that was admit the theory was in error, but instead they conjured up a metaphysical creation that can't be observed or measured in order to balance the equations.

That's how I know they're wrong. It's self evident human bullshitting.
 
Nothing is self evident. I'm asking you to provide evidence
It is logically impossible to provide evidence of the non-existence of a substance that by its own definition can't be objectively measured or observed.

Do you not comprehend this? It's very simple. By CERN's own words, it can only be inferred. I've explained it sufficiently already, they are mathematical constructs required to explain real astronomic observational data that otherwise completely undermines the entire gravitational model.

If you believe dark matter exists that is an act of faith, nothing more. They can never provide objective measurement or observation of it, because by its own definition it is a non-physical substance.
 
I don't know of dark matter exists or not. I'm comfortable with not having that knowledge and leaving it up to the actual physicists to figure out. If you have evidence that there is a better theory, which other physicists are also working on by the way, please provide it
 
The onus is on them to prove it, not on me to disprove something that can't even be measured or observed. You really don't do logic do you.
 
So just because they haven't shown evidence for something difficult to measure you think its false? What happened to absence of evidence is not evidence of absence? Or do you not do logic?

You're claiming to know something so I'm asking for evidence. I'm saying I don't know and I'm leaving it up to the domain experts, there is no time bound on when they need to find evidence by
 
So just because they haven't shown evidence for something difficult to measure you think its false? What happened to absence of evidence is not evidence of absence? Or do you not do logic?
What part of unobservable and untestable do you not grasp? It literally cant not be interacted with. It has all the hallmarks of a religious belief.

Observations were made that crushed the current gravitational paradigm in regards to astrophysics. There was literally no way out, no way of explaining why the rotations of galaxies did not match up with what they should be (according to the model). So what did they do? They concocted something to balance the equations, something they never observed, tested, experimented for, something which can never be observed, tested, and experimented for.

Stop being so naïve. They clearly manufactured it, rather than admit there might be a problem with the prevailing paradigm. That is not science at all. When observational data contradicts a paradigm at the fundamental level you are obliged to go back to the drawing board and look for mistakes made.

This is a prevailing theme of 20th/21st century astrophysics. Time and again the observational data completely undermines the gravitational paradigm, but these institutions refuse to concede their dogma and just double-down with more and more fantastical creations.

First it was black holes, because there was no way to explain the energy levels observed at the centre of galaxies. Then it was pulsars, neutron stars rotating so fast that they defy established laws of nuclear physics, because there was no way to explain the rapid pulsation of observed entities in space. And then dark matter, something which can't ever be seen or tested for.

Your problem is you just refuse to admit that science itself might be corrupted by the same human tendencies that have not changed in millennia, that corrupted religious thinking (and whatever was before that).
 
What part of unobservable and untestable do you not grasp? It literally cant not be interacted with. It has all the hallmarks of a religious belief.

Observations were made that crushed the current gravitational paradigm in regards to astrophysics. There was literally no way out, no way of explaining why the rotations of galaxies did not match up with what they should be (according to the model). So what did they do? They concocted something to balance the equations, something they never observed, tested, experimented for, something which can never be observed, tested, and experimented for.

Stop being so naïve. They clearly manufactured it, rather than admit there might be a problem with the prevailing paradigm. That is not science at all. When observational data contradicts a paradigm at the fundamental level you are obliged to go back to the drawing board and look for mistakes made.

This is a prevailing theme of 20th/21st century astrophysics. Time and again the observational data completely undermines the gravitational paradigm, but these institutions refuse to concede their dogma and just double-down with more and more fantastical creations.

First it was black holes, because there was no way to explain the energy levels observed at the centre of galaxies. Then it was pulsars, neutron stars rotating so fast that they defy established laws of nuclear physics, because there was no way to explain the rapid pulsation of observed entities in space. And then dark matter, something which can't ever be seen or tested for.

Your problem is you just refuse to admit that science itself might be corrupted by the same human tendencies that have not changed in millennia, that corrupted religious thinking (and whatever was before that).
Do you genuinely believe that black holes aren't real? We have a photo of one.

The principle that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is fundamental in empirical science, particularly in fields like cosmology where direct observations are often challenging. This maxim underscores that just because we cannot observe something directly with current technologies or methods, it does not categorically mean that it does not exist. Instead, it may suggest that our tools or understanding are not yet adequate to detect or interact with it. This principle has guided many scientific discoveries; for instance, the existence of atoms was widely accepted long before technology allowed for their direct observation.

The hypotheses of dark matter and dark energy were formulated in response to observable anomalies that could not be explained by existing theories alone:

Dark Matter: Observations of galaxy rotations revealed that the outer regions of galaxies rotate at the same rate as closer to the center, contrary to what would be expected if only visible matter were present. The gravitational effects needed to prevent these galaxies from tearing apart suggest the presence of an additional, unseen mass, which we call dark matter.

Dark Energy: The discovery of the accelerated expansion of the universe came from observations of distant supernovae. These observations were incompatible with a universe composed solely of attractive matter (ordinary or dark). Dark energy, a repulsive force, was posited to explain this acceleration, fundamentally altering our understanding of the universe’s expansion.

Scientific theories are not immutable truths but are instead constantly tested and refined. The discovery of phenomena that do not fit existing theories does not lead to the immediate discarding of these theories but rather to their reassessment and refinement. The introduction of dark matter and dark energy are prime examples of theory evolution, not of scientific failure. These concepts are placeholders for phenomena that current theories cannot otherwise account for, guiding further research and experimental testing.

Historical skepticism towards now-accepted concepts like black holes or neutron stars highlights a recurrent pattern in science: initial doubt followed by gradual acceptance as evidence accumulates. For instance:

Black Holes: Predicted by general relativity, they were initially considered mathematical curiosities until astronomical observations of celestial phenomena suggested their physical reality.

Pulsars and Neutron Stars: Their discovery provided not only confirmation of theoretical predictions about supernova remnants but also insights into the behavior of matter under extreme conditions.

These discoveries illustrate how scientific knowledge progresses from theoretical predictions to observational confirmation, a journey also expected for dark matter and dark energy as technology advances.

The scientific method includes mechanisms like peer review, publication, and replication to mitigate individual biases and errors. These processes foster a self-correcting system where theories must withstand rigorous testing and skepticism from the scientific community. While individual scientists may indeed exhibit biases, the collaborative and competitive nature of scientific research acts as a counterbalance, driving towards more objective and reliable conclusions.

The development of new technologies and methodologies has historically been a catalyst for major breakthroughs in scientific understanding. These innovations often lead to either the confirmation of existing theories or to revolutionary discoveries that compel the scientific community to rethink fundamental concepts. This process is evident in the ongoing research into dark matter and dark energy, where cutting-edge instruments such as the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), various space-based telescopes, and forthcoming initiatives like the Vera C. Rubin Observatory play pivotal roles. These tools are not merely extensions of our sensory capabilities; they redefine the boundaries of what is observable and knowable.

Galileo's Telescope: In the early 17th century, Galileo Galilei enhanced the design of the newly invented telescope. His observations, including the moons of Jupiter and the phases of Venus, provided robust support for the Copernican model of a heliocentric solar system, challenging the long-standing geocentric model upheld by classical thinkers and the Church.

Newton’s Reflecting Telescope: Isaac Newton’s development of the reflecting telescope in the late 17th century addressed the issue of chromatic aberration found in refracting telescopes. This advancement was crucial not only for astronomical observations but also for supporting his theories of light and color.

The Discovery of Neptune: Neptune's existence was mathematically predicted by Urbain Le Verrier, after discrepancies in the orbit of Uranus could not be explained by known celestial mechanics. The subsequent visual confirmation of Neptune in 1846, using a telescope, was a dramatic validation of Newtonian gravity and showcased the predictive power of mathematical physics.

Radio Telescopes and the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB): The development of radio astronomy in the 20th century led to the discovery of the CMB radiation, providing evidence for the Big Bang theory. This was a significant advancement that shifted the paradigm from a steady-state model of the universe to one of dynamic expansion.

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC): Located at CERN, the LHC is the world's largest and most powerful particle accelerator, designed to collide protons at high energies. It offers unique opportunities to create and detect particles that might constitute dark matter, under conditions that mimic the early universe.

Space-Based Telescopes: Instruments like the Hubble Space Telescope and the upcoming James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) extend our view beyond the atmospheric limitations of Earth. These telescopes can observe the effects and distribution of dark matter through gravitational lensing and other phenomena, and study the expansion rate of the universe to understand the nature of dark energy.

Vera C. Rubin Observatory: Currently under construction, this observatory will conduct the Legacy Survey of Space and Time (LSST), which aims to create an unprecedentedly detailed map of the universe over 10 years. It's expected to observe billions of galaxies and likely provide crucial data on the structure and distribution of dark matter as well as insights into the properties of dark energy by observing supernovae and mapping galaxy clusters.

These technological advancements are not merely incremental improvements in our observational capacity but are transformative tools that have the potential to reshape our understanding of the universe. Just as historical instruments allowed us to confirm the heliocentric model or discover new planets, modern instruments like the LHC, space-based telescopes, and the Vera C. Rubin Observatory hold the key to unraveling some of the most profound mysteries in cosmology: dark matter and dark energy. Whether they will confirm these components as envisioned, modify our current understanding, or perhaps lead us to new, unforeseen discoveries, remains one of the most exciting questions in contemporary science.

One compelling historical example of an initially undetectable phenomenon that mirrors the current challenges with dark matter and dark energy is the discovery of neutrinos. This subatomic particle was hypothesized under circumstances similar to those leading to the hypotheses of dark matter and dark energy—through the need to explain missing energy and momentum in certain nuclear reactions, specifically beta decay.

In the early 20th century, scientists observed that when an atom underwent beta decay (a type of radioactive decay), the electrons emitted did not have the energy they were expected to have according to the conservation laws of physics. According to classical physics, the energy of the electrons emitted in beta decay should have been consistent and predictable. However, measurements showed a spectrum of energy outputs, suggesting that energy was being lost or unaccounted for in each decay event.

In 1930, physicist Wolfgang Pauli proposed a radical solution to this problem. He suggested the existence of an as yet undetected particle, which he called the "neutron" (later renamed the "neutrino" by Enrico Fermi to avoid confusion with James Chadwick's neutron). Pauli's neutrino was extremely light, possibly even massless, and did not interact with matter through electromagnetic forces, which made it incredibly difficult to detect. Pauli himself famously remarked that he had done a terrible thing by proposing a particle that could never be detected.

Neutrinos interact with other matter only via the weak nuclear force and gravity, making them almost ghostlike in their ability to pass through ordinary matter undetected. In fact, trillions of neutrinos pass through the human body (and the Earth) every second without any interaction. The challenge of detecting neutrinos mirrored the current issues with detecting dark matter, in that both types of particles interact with ordinary matter in extremely minimal ways, requiring indirect methods of observation.

It wasn't until 1956—more than a quarter-century after Pauli's hypothesis—that scientists Clyde Cowan and Frederick Reines confirmed the existence of neutrinos. They did so through the Savannah River Experiment, where they used a nuclear reactor as a neutrino source and detected the particles via their interactions in a large tank of water. This detection involved observing the tiny flashes of light produced by the rare interactions of neutrinos with the nuclei of water molecules, a technique that required innovative and sensitive instrumentation.

The confirmation of the neutrino was a monumental step in physics, impacting our understanding of fundamental particles and forces, and leading to significant developments in particle physics and cosmology. The discovery process—from hypothesis to indirect detection methods—parallels the scientific journey toward understanding dark matter and dark energy today. Like neutrinos, dark matter and dark energy do not interact in any of the conventional electromagnetic ways with ordinary matter; their detection depends on observing their gravitational effects or other indirect signs.

The pursuit of dark matter and dark energy, though currently unresolved, follows this tradition of scientific inquiry where innovative technologies and methodologies eventually lead to breakthroughs that confirm or redefine our understanding of the universe. Just as neutrino detectors evolved to observe these elusive particles, current and future technologies are being developed to detect and understand dark matter and dark energy.
 
I have one person in my extended family who got shingles immediately after the jab, and a friends father who developed some problem with the sight in one of his eyes (nerve related) shortly after the jab.

There's just too much data out there now to say these jabs are 'safe and effective', they're clearly not. Now whether it's all the jabs, particular manufacturer versions, certain batches, failure to administer correctly, or a combination of any of those.. we'll probably never know.

All I know is I took 0 jabs and somehow completely dodged a highly contagious novel respiratory pathogen, despite being in contact with people. Apparently I'm some sort of miracle worker, or the Devil, because I should have caught something at least once in over 3 years by all the logic of the MSM narrative.

Two people in my family have died of the exact same type of cancer since 2021. In my best friend's family, two people died of heart attacks, and one died of the exact same type of cancer. (It's lymphoma, btw.) The cardiovascular, neurological and cancer events in my community have become noticeably greater since 2021. I think the virus itself plays a part in that because it's a biowarfare agent, but that tells us that the vaccine is capable of the same horrors, or even worse because it uses pseudouridine to make the mRNA last longer in cells. At least with the virus you can clear it.

These are small sample sizes... but people are talking about it all over the internet. People who decide not to look are not going to see. They're just going to think it's a random mass tragedy within their family and not extrapolate it beyond that. I am blessed (cursed?) because my entire life I have had an almost obsessive interest in nature and human health. Then I contracted my own incurable illness which put me on an even more intense research track. Because of these two factors, I am tied into more health networks around the globe than I can possibly count. We're talking thousands of professionals of all kinds, as well as even more patient communities.

When the vax first rolled out in Israel, we already knew about the myocarditis and neurological side effects immediately. We knew about the clotting. Western media was already taking control of the narrative to call us conspiracy theorists. The pushback was immense. But it doesn't change that we knew the truth.

So... given what was coming out back then + all of the anecdotal stuff in my community, we can make pretty educated guesses about the reasons for excess deaths. Of course, the media etc will abuse science to tell us that "we don't have concrete evidence." Okay, so the excess death rate in Canada is 25x normal and nobody is sounding the alarm on that like they did with covid? The silence speaks volumes.

It's the same type of patch-work thinking we see abused in astrophysics and cosmology. The model is made to fit the observation and not the other way around because institutions feel threatened. Same old story. Humanity not changed that much. We continue to be afraid of our own fucking imaginations.
 
Do you genuinely believe that black holes aren't real? We have a photo of one.
Man, how can you expect me to read all of your post when you open with this.

We don't have a photo, we have an algorithmically reconstructed image using radio telescope data, of something so far away and obscured by so much intermediary material/energy as to render the whole exercise completely farcical.

And no, I don't believe they are real. There is no evidence for them. Another metaphysical, mathematical construct required to fit the [observational] data of high energy events at the centres of galaxies. They never anticipated to see 'jets', material being ejected at almost the speed of light from the poles of the object over many light years distance, but then they were observed and it completely contradicts the concept of a black hole in itself.

Another untested, untestable, mathematical construct created to fit the data. It's not real science.
 
Man, how can you expect me to read all of your post when you open with this.

We don't have a photo, we have an algorithmically reconstructed image using radio telescope data, of something so far away and obscured by so much intermediary material/energy as to render the whole exercise completely farcical.

And no, I don't believe they are real. There is no evidence for them. Another metaphysical, mathematical construct required to fit the [observational] data of high energy events at the centres of galaxies. They never anticipated to see 'jets', material being ejected at almost the speed of light from the poles of the object over many light years distance, but then they were observed and it completely contradicts the concept of a black hole in itself.

Another untested, untestable, mathematical construct created to fit the data. It's not real science.
Black holes can be detected by observing their gravitational effects on nearby objects. For instance, stars orbiting around a black hole can be tracked. Their orbits provide insights into the mass and location of the black hole. The most famous example is the supermassive black hole at the center of our Milky Way galaxy, Sagittarius A*, where stars have been observed orbiting something invisible with a very strong gravitational pull.

Matter falling into a black hole heats up and emits X-rays, visible through X-ray telescopes. These emissions come from the accretion disk, a ring of hot, glowing material swirling around the black hole.

The detection of gravitational waves from colliding black holes by LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory) provides direct evidence of their existence.

The observation of jets of material being ejected from the poles of black holes at nearly the speed of light might seem contradictory to the idea of black holes, as anything getting close to a black hole should theoretically be sucked in. However, this is a misconception. The material in jets does not come from inside the black hole, but rather from the accretion disk outside the event horizon.

As matter spirals into a black hole, intense magnetic fields near the black hole's event horizon can channel some of this infalling matter into jets that are ejected perpendicular to the accretion disk.

These jets are a highly energetic and concentrated stream of particles traveling at speeds close to that of light. They are a result of the extreme gravitational and magnetic forces at play, not a contradiction to the nature of black holes.

The jets and other phenomena associated with black holes were indeed surprising when first discovered, but they do not contradict the existence or theory of black holes. Instead, they have expanded our understanding of the complex interactions between black holes and their environments. As theoretical models have evolved, they have successfully incorporated these phenomena, which are now key aspects of how we understand not only black holes but also other high-energy processes in the universe.

Black holes are not merely theoretical constructs but are supported by substantial observational evidence and theoretical groundwork. Their complex behaviors, including the ejection of jets, enrich our understanding of the physics governing extreme gravitational environments.
 
Black holes can be detected by observing their gravitational effects on nearby objects.
Again you are misconstruing something being real with observations that are retroactively plastered back on to a concept. Are you not familiar with the expression 'the cart before the horse'?

No one has observed a black hole directly. No one has observed a singularity anywhere in the real world, or created one in the laboratory. They are theoretical mathematical constructs. The mathematics came first, not an observation of a black hole. Again, that is not science. That is speculation.

Humans haven't physically been beyond the moon. The notion that radio telescope data, algorithmically reconstructed according to the preconceptions of mathematical speculators, of something happening light years away and shrouded by immense amounts of intervening activity, can possibly relay the reality of the situation is absolutely preposterous.

All your chatGPT sophistry about the jets doesn't change anything either. Material being ejected at near light speed over light years runs completely contrary to the concept of a singularity that apparently possesses god-like gravitational pull.
 
So I guess proteins and other molecules aren't real either? We haven't directly observed them. Guess we just have to throw out the entire field of chemistry

In chemistry, much of our understanding comes from observing the effects or outcomes of reactions rather than seeing the reactions themselves. For instance, we've never directly observed an electron, yet its existence is fundamental to the structure of atoms and molecules. We understand electron configuration and behavior through the effects they have, such as light emission in spectroscopy or electron density maps in crystallography. Similarly, we haven't seen a black hole directly, but we observe its presence through the gravitational effects on stars and the radiation emitted from material around it.

In biochemistry, concepts like enzyme-substrate interactions are based on theoretical models. Enzymes, which catalyze biochemical reactions, bind to substrates. This interaction is often depicted in diagrams or models since we can’t see it directly under a microscope due to the limitations of resolution and the non-visual nature of the forces involved. Theories about these interactions were developed before the technology existed to "see" them indirectly through techniques like X-ray crystallography or NMR spectroscopy, which themselves rely on interpreting data through theoretical frameworks.

Just as in astrophysics, the biochemical and chemical sciences often rely on interpreting complex data collected via instruments. For instance, mass spectrometry and nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) provide indirect data about molecular structures and interactions, which scientists interpret based on existing theoretical knowledge. The robustness of these interpretations is continually tested by experimental outcomes and peer review, similar to how astronomical data from radio telescopes are validated and scrutinized.

Consider biochemical signaling pathways where the transmission of signals (akin to jets in astrophysics) seems to defy the simple presence of a receptor (analogous to the gravitational pull of a black hole). The pathways involve complex interactions and transformations that are not intuitively obvious from the basic components involved but are understood through studying the emergent properties of the system. Similarly, the jets from black holes, which expel material at near-light speeds, are emergent properties of the magnetic fields and angular momentum at the black hole’s accretion disk, well-supported by existing physics models.

Understanding black holes, much like understanding complex biochemical pathways or molecular structures, hinges on building models from theoretical and empirical foundations. It involves predicting phenomena based on these models and then validating, refuting, or refining the models with data. This cyclical process is fundamental to all sciences, providing a continually improving understanding of phenomena, whether they are visible to the naked eye or not.
 
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