How long after you stop being prescribed suboxone is it no longer seen on medical chart

[Somthingot2chne]

I was prescribed Suboxone for about 5 years. During that time if I ever had to seek any medical treatment it seemed like every doctor, dentist, ect who treated me was looking at my medical history and seeing a bright neon sign blinking "DRUG ADDICT!!! TREAT LIKE DIRT!!!". And during the time I was taking Suboxone i never sought medical help to drug seek. I'm not exactly sure when but maybe around 3 years after I got off the Suboxone and was not longer being prescribed it, it was as if medical professionals could no longer see I was prescribed it at all. Had a minor surgery done and when I told my OBGYN I had taken it in the past he thanked me for telling him and after surgery even gave me stronger pain pills than most telling me I wouldnt have gotten the pain relief I needed with a lesser mg. So here is my question...

After so long of not being prescribed Suboxone is it no longer so obvious to doctors and other medical professionals that you were prescribed it in the past? Does it somehow like "fall off" your medical chart? Could they see it but have to look harder for it?

 

[Zonxx]

Somtimes your records arent at every medical center.

 

[Zonxx]

Alsk gave u stronger meds bcuz perhaps what they wouldve given wasnt as strong as suboxone- im a heavy opiate user and when i dont use for a few days cuz i used extra.. the first 2 doses hit like a truck then, tolerance snaps right back to normal

 

[Somthingot2chne]

Alsk gave u stronger meds bcuz perhaps what they wouldve given wasnt as strong as suboxone- im a heavy opiate user and when i dont use for a few days cuz i used extra.. the first 2 doses hit like a truck then, tolerance snaps right back to normal

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question!

 

[Oleander]

I’m not too sure if your medical records are at every doctors office but with my experience with suboxone is this. I’ve been on and off it for about 4 years and do I think it makes a difference for what I get prescribed from doctors because they see that I am a heroin addict. I think there’s a lot that goes into what a doctor will prescribe someone, including their medical history, family history, medical problems etc. Also, in cases like surgeries, people I know who are addicts, or recovering addicts, and have had a surgery, some of them were major, and the surgeon knew they were addicts and still gave them opiates. Some of them would take the pills because they didn’t want to be in pain, others would say something and get prescribed something that’s not a narcotic. I think it’s just a matter of what the situation is and whether or not the doctor feels that the patient needs this medication and would benefit from it. Because there’s also the other side where you won’t abuse it and take it as prescribed. Side note: one thing I have noticed for me is, and this might not relate to your situation but I felt like I should share it, but the times I have been committed to a hospital (as in a 5150 from my psychiatrist or held against my will because of suicide attempt/unable to stop using drugs) that it has been brought up in appointments and I felt like it was like it made me look unstable. Ok I rambled on enough but I hope I answered your question

 

[Nicomorphinist]

There have been protocols developed over the years to humanely treat current and former addicts in acute and chronic pain. Doctors who do not know this are being very sloppy to say the least.

Prior buprenorphine use within days or weeks is probably going to make pain management difficult, which is sort of the flip side of why it is used for maintenance and detoxification. They actually should have options of morphine and semi-synthetics and some synthetics for people who have trouble with methadone and buprenorphine. There is also the problem of managing overdoses, as naloxone not always does the trick

A successfully conquered habit in the past that never came back should be in your favour, and often is. Bad croaker. That is my diagnosis. If you are put on the spot about the buprenorphine by a doctor, you have the right to argue with the doctor and question how well the filthy animal Bolshevik croaker knows pharmacology.

There are serious corruption, malpractice, Standard of Care, and privacy issues with electronic medical charts which can be seen outside the clinc and the patients' doctors. Mainly things like someone in the Emergency Department wrongly accusing people of drug seeking (a good comeback: No, you arsehole, I am an X-ray seeker) to chemists and even nurses and doctor soliciting bribes to for, example, fill a chlordiazepoxide script 29 days after the last fill.

My paper medical file is treble the thickness of Goodman & Gilman's The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics and in seven different languages and it took them 12 years to scan it all into the computer and correct most of the mistakes (a huge issue for lots of people) and now the computer has all my records going back to 140 days before I was born. I would have liked the option to opt out of anything aside from maintaining an allergies list and emergency contacts, but I was not consulted. My second choice would be to have all that information put on a RFID/microchip and get chipped like a cat or a ferret . . .

And what happens if there is no way for a doctor to get into the records in an emergency? The information differential there can create big problems at first. When I go for long trips, I have at least eight people with me and one of them carries relevant documents, a summary of the medical history, and a CD-Rom with the whole kit & caboodle including radiology work

 

[Oleander]

I agree with what you’re saying. The synthetic morphine option would be a great idea, as well as the methadone one. Methadone is very addicting and isn’t that much better than heroin. I was on it before I was able to get suboxone and it really gets you. You wake up in the morning and go to the clinic, waiting for it to open, then you get your little cup with the methadone, and it’s almost like getting your fix from your connect and then doing your first shot. Anyways, people who are clean and have been clean for a period of time should not feel like they’re being put on the spot when talking about medications and whatever. It’s not right at all when other people who have never taken suboxone, but could’ve been on any other medication that would cause their profile to be flagged, and the doctor doesn’t even blink their eye when they see this. Well hopefully things are changing and people in recovery, and those who still haven’t reached that point yet but will get there in time, will be treated with dignity when they see their doctor.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Then there is the length of withdrawal from methadone, and the fact that it can prolong QT interval. They could reduce or eliminate the cardiac issue by using levomethadone instead of the racaemate. Not necessarily the top issue in all cases, and methadone has doubtless saved many lives.

 

[Oleander]

Oh of course absolutely. I know many people who’ve been on methadone or who are still on it and it saved their life, I wasn’t saying anything derogatory about it. That was just my experience and maybe I was a little dramatic when I was talking about it haha!

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Oh of course absolutely. I know many people who’ve been on methadone or who are still on it and it saved their life, I wasn’t saying anything derogatory about it. That was just my experience and maybe I was a little dramatic when I was talking about it haha!

It didn't come across as derogatory either, of course. There are reasons why methadone and buprenorphine have been chosen for this such as receptor blockade, which is the problem the OP may run into. The receptor blockade is a problem for pain patients as it makes it very hard to get the analgesic they are using on to the receptors . . .

Has anyone else from the States gone to their pain doctor recently and been told they may or may not have to go on Butrans buprenorphine plasters? Or failing that because of allergy, hyperhidrosis and so on, Suboxone is the choice, and methadone is behind Door No 3? What exactly got that started?

 

[Oleander]

I’m not too sure what you mean in the last paragraph. Do you mean anyone I m is out here who’s gone on butrans suboxone for pain? I don’t know anyone who’s on butrans. I think everyone I know who’s on suboxone is on it for heroin/opiate addiction.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

I’m not too sure what you mean in the last paragraph. Do you mean anyone I m is out here who’s gone on butrans suboxone for pain? I don’t know anyone who’s on butrans. I think everyone I know who’s on suboxone is on it for heroin/opiate addiction.

What I am hearing is that pain specialists are telling patients they only have the three choices and forced off the old medication -- in other words, every one of the patients is going into Opioid Substitution Therapy, ostensibly from extortion by the government.

 

[Oleander]

Oh I see what your saying. But I think like suboxone for drug addiction, you already need to be opioid dependent to receive the medication (suboxone). I’m not too sure if they’re saying they have to go into OST. I’m really not up to date with the knowledge of this. I apologize. That’s about all I know.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Oh I see what your saying. But I think like suboxone for drug addiction, you already need to be opioid dependent to receive the medication (suboxone). I’m not too sure if they’re saying they have to go into OST. I’m really not up to date with the knowledge of this. I apologize. That’s about all I know.

Oh I see what your saying. But I think like suboxone for drug addiction, you already need to be opioid dependent to receive the medication (suboxone). I’m not too sure if they’re saying they have to go into OST. I’m really not up to date with the knowledge of this. I apologize. That’s about all I know.

It really sounds like it is de facto OST so that the doctors don't have to write for so much morphine, hydromorphone, oxymorphone and similar things, and if there is an inquiry, the doctor can get some CYA by claiming the patients are all addicts.

Such a fib is I am assuming is due to political and regulatory pressure, based on the lie that 75 per cent of heroin habits start with an opioid prescription -- and probably 75 per cent of the unaddicted population got scripts too. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics -- and then this canard about an Rx to smack superhighway is in a totally different category.

 

[Oleander]

Yes, absolutely true. My addiction started when I was at a trade school and I would by oxy’s from a veteran who got them from his doctor because he had a bad back or something and he would get them all the time. I truly believe most addictions to heroin start with opioid medication addictions.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Especially with all the sound and fury in the US now, there are a lot of smackheads out there treating pain that doctors will not, and before this, narcotics people discovered what these drugs can do for a number of psychological and even spiritual afflictions.

 

[opiatekrzy]

If you were given Suboxone throughout mental health, it will follow you forever
Not that it will show up on istop
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[emkee_reinvented]

My paper medical file is treble the thickness of Goodman & Gilman's The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics and in seven different languages and it took them 12 years to scan it all into the computer and correct most of the mistakes (a huge issue for lots of people) and now the computer has all my records going back to 140 days before I was born. I would have liked the option to opt out of anything aside from maintaining an allergies list and emergency contacts, but I was not consulted. My second choice would be to have all that information put on a RFID/microchip and get chipped like a cat or a ferret . . .

And what happens if there is no way for a doctor to get into the records in an emergency? The information differential there can create big problems at first. When I go for long trips, I have at least eight people with me and one of them carries relevant documents, a summary of the medical history, and a CD-Rom with the whole kit & caboodle including radiology work

As far as I know I have no dr.'s record, excluding a few pages consisting of my intake and renewel of my med prescription.
My dossier was officially destroyed on my request, I had to write up a exclamation as to why. Motives for destroying it like hiding violence, child abuse or a lawsuit against your practicionare's will prevent them from doing so.

My sole reason was selfprotection for bias based upon false/ or stigmatizing information that was in my file. The copy I have contain's no relevant info any dr would need to know. Like allergies and other relevant shit.

Best thing I did, happy that some right's persist.

 

[FutureReference]

I will be honest here; never. In the US, records are permanent. No joke I had a pharmacist ask me if I was still taking my Norco. I replied "Norco...? Never been on it" they looked at me like an addict and the date was from 8 YEARS AGO! They still had information about the narcotic I received for a dental procedure.

I am one of the people who has been put on Suboxone for pain. Finally off the stuff and on Oxy now which actually helps slightly. But yeah, this "drug epidemic" is no joke in the US. They have everything on record and since all prescriptions must be filled digitally, they have a record of every single time a refill was prescribed and the time it was picked up.

 

[Southern Yankee]

I was prescribed Suboxone for about 5 years. During that time if I ever had to seek any medical treatment it seemed like every doctor, dentist, ect who treated me was looking at my medical history and seeing a bright neon sign blinking "DRUG ADDICT!!! TREAT LIKE DIRT!!!". And during the time I was taking Suboxone i never sought medical help to drug seek. I'm not exactly sure when but maybe around 3 years after I got off the Suboxone and was not longer being prescribed it, it was as if medical professionals could no longer see I was prescribed it at all. Had a minor surgery done and when I told my OBGYN I had taken it in the past he thanked me for telling him and after surgery even gave me stronger pain pills than most telling me I wouldnt have gotten the pain relief I needed with a lesser mg. So here is my question...

After so long of not being prescribed Suboxone is it no longer so obvious to doctors and other medical professionals that you were prescribed it in the past? Does it somehow like "fall off" your medical chart? Could they see it but have to look harder for it?

That's a damn good question! If u find out answer lmk