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How is it that I can handle high doses of industrial-strength opiates but I'm a little bitch when it comes to psychedelics?

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Seriously though. All I can handle without wigging out is like 1 hit of acid or 2.5 grams of shrooms and if the trip starts to feel even mildly uncomfortable, I have to take pain meds to keep from losing my shit. My conclusion is that my mind simply isn't in the right place for psychedelic substances. I have a rather high tolerance for alcohol, weed (including edibles), and opiates though. Is this the same case for anyone else here?
 
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Because with opiates you KNOW they're gonna make you feel good, they're predictable and pleasant 99% of the time, while psychedelics can easily turn into a hellish experience if something goes wrong, and let's be honest here if you have an opiate habit you're probably not in a good place in your life
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
Because with opiates you KNOW they're gonna make you feel good, they're predictable and pleasant 99% of the time, while psychedelics can easily turn into a hellish experience if something goes wrong, and let's be honest here if you have an opiate habit you're probably not in a good place in your life
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This.
 
differnt ppl react differently to trips there not 4 every one.... when I have psydelics I will wait even a week so my mind is in the right mind set, if i wake up felling like shit or mad at the world I'm going to wait till I feel almost 100% ready to take on the world so to speak...
 
You can "handle" opiates because there's nothing to handle. It's like asking why you can "handle" a nice hot bath but can't run an ultra-marathon and acting confused as if this is some kind of contradiction.

Why does this surprise you?? Opioids are not in the least bit threatening to your ego. They feed your ego, they wrap you in a warm blanket, they coax you into thinking everything is great,. no matter what your circumstances are. I don't even know what "handling" opioids means in this context except for maybe some involuntary reactions like nausea/vomiting that can happen to inexperienced users without tolerance, but that goes away pretty quickly IME. Psychedelics are entirely different. They challenge your ego and can even dissolve it, they make you see your life from an entirely different perspective rather than just making you feel temporarily good because of physical pleasure. They make you confront things about yourself and your life that you may have been avoiding or suppressing. They force you to come to terms with yourself, and if your life isn't where you really want it to be then this can (and should) be a difficult experience. Your brain is trying to tell you something when you're having a difficult time on psychedelics, and maybe you should explore that. Bad trips are often the most beneficial ones that can catalyze change in your life.

I hope I'm not being too presumptuous here - bear in mind that I'm addicted to opiates as well, and I'm sure if I took psychedelics I'd have a similar experience - but could it be that psychedelics are difficult for you because you're addicted to opiates? Let's face it, none of us wanted to end up here. Our opiate addictions aren't signs that we are healthy, happy people living a life that totally satisfies us. Perhaps psychedelics are demonstrating this to you.
 
It's because psychedelics, rather than being drugs that produce comfort, cause your issues to come to the surface. They confront your reality and your personality. It's why people use psychedelics as tools to self-improve, and it's why they can produce such negative experiences in people who are hiding from themselves. Or hell, even in me, who has tripped probably 500+ times, and loves psychedelics, they can produce difficult experiences sometimes. Psychedelics are the most difficult class of drugs, but also the most rewarding, but you have to be willing to face yourself and not hide from the trip. Accepting the difficulty and letting it wash over you, and facing whatever truth you see about yourself or about reality, can produce healing and strengthening experiences, but it's not easy.

Anyone can handle opiates, they just feel good. Take an opiate, you feel nice and your problems seem reduced. Take a psychedelic and your problems are thrown in your face, without any sort of drug effect that makes you feel good. Psychedelics can feel amazing, but it can flip from amazing to horrifying multiple times in a single trip.
 
Yeh. Opiate addiction usually happens because there are aspects of your life that you find painful and want to avoid. Hallucinogenics take those aspects you want to avoid and shoves them down your fuckin throat..!

Heroin ruined my ability to enjoy psychedelics for life. I miss them dearly, but feel too damaged to return.
 
I quit psychedelics for a few years during the worst of my opiate addiction, but returned to them with a new love. It's really about getting yourself to a good place. In fact some of my best trips were some of the first after I turned my life around (not just opiates but also bad marriage, feelings of lack of self-worth, etc).
 
The above answers are pretty solid, the only unusual thing I note here is that you can tolerate large amounts of cannabis. From my personal experience and anecdotal reports from fellow opiate addicts, cannabis can end up being even harder to cope with than full-on psychedelics in terms of dragging you into a state of self-hating rumination without the transformational insight of hallucinogens.

I'd guess you have been using cannabis regularly for many years, probably since before you started up with opiates, and have pretty much built a tolerance to its effects, not to mention smoothing the experience out with opiates (and possibly benzos as well?). So you wouldn't be affected as strongly by the kind of negative introspection that cannabis can provoke in people whom it hits hard. For me, smoking pot was a surefire way to end up in tears agonizing over how much of a failure I am for my addiction(s) to other drugs. In that sense, it was like my "anti-drug" as the corny PSAs in America used to go.

Real psychedelics, on the other hand, probably do hit you hard enough to brutally expose you to a confrontation with you unconscious guilt/shame/fear. Not that such an experience is without value; many people have said a psychedelic experience at some point in their process of quitting opiates opened up new horizons for them where they could imagine severing their dependence on opiates without believing they'd never be happy again.
 
JTemperance said:
The above answers are pretty solid, the only unusual thing I note here is that you can tolerate large amounts of cannabis. From my personal experience and anecdotal reports from fellow opiate addicts, cannabis can end up being even harder to cope with than full-on psychedelics in terms of dragging you into a state of self-hating rumination without the transformational insight of hallucinogens.

I'd guess you have been using cannabis regularly for many years, probably since before you started up with opiates, and have pretty much built a tolerance to its effects, not to mention smoothing the experience out with opiates (and possibly benzos as well?). So you wouldn't be affected as strongly by the kind of negative introspection that cannabis can provoke in people whom it hits hard. For me, smoking pot was a surefire way to end up in tears agonizing over how much of a failure I am for my addiction(s) to other drugs. In that sense, it was like my "anti-drug" as the corny PSAs in America used to go.

Real psychedelics, on the other hand, probably do hit you hard enough to brutally expose you to a confrontation with you unconscious guilt/shame/fear. Not that such an experience is without value; many people have said a psychedelic experience at some point in their process of quitting opiates opened up new horizons for them where they could imagine severing their dependence on opiates without believing they'd never be happy again.
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Funnily enough, I appreciate cannabis more now than I ever did. However, I impose strict limitations on its use. I never use it in a social setting. I never use it if I've got shit to do. These days, cannabis is strictly a drug for bedtime/metime. I simply cannot relate with people when stoned. But when I'm free of people, I fuckin love a spliff...
 
I also gave up psychedelics for a number of years during the peak of opiate days. I remember one night in particular getting a few 80’s and a couple tabs of LSD, and thinking oh man this is gonna be such a great combo!!

Worst (best?) trip of my life, as soon as I came up that opiate euphoria was replaced with an immense guilt over all the wrongs I’d been causing as of lately. So intense that I started throwing up all over from the panic.

Then once it sunk in I literally walked outside in the freezing cold rain with barely anything on and just started walking thinking that I deserved to die. I remember not feeling the cold but knowing if I just kept walking I’d die. Then out of nowhere my buddy runs me down and without saying a word puts his arm around me and begins bringing me back, in that moment with a simple gesture he saved me. Nothing needed to be said.

He grabbed me a ride home and I spent the rest of the night shell shocked by what had happened. Never before or since had my emotions and thoughts gotten so far away from me during an experience.

It was after that I waited a few years, and slowly (I mean very slowly) worked my way back into the psychedelic mind state and life style.

It’s truly about how you feel about your current life status, if your going in a direction you feel good about usually trips are like heaven praising you for your success.

-GC
 
If you wanna a quick psychedelic trip I recommend ketamine. Unlike LSD and Shrooms where you have to endure stages and hours of trip, ketamine hits and goes away fairly quickly, I would say between 20 - 30min you are back to normal.

Problem is that it is so good that is very addictive. There was a time I was using between 50 - 100ml of ketamine per week, crazy deep psychonautic sessions.

Just don´t dry it and sniff it, best way is using a syringe and measuring exactly how much you want and then doing skin pops. I would rotate spots on my thighs.
 
Ketamine/dissos are not psychedelics, though there is overlap. Dissociatives are very prone to delusional behavior and thought patterns. It's possible to get something lasting but more often people get lost, in my experience. But it's true, ketamine is much easier to handle... it just makes you feel comfy while reality is falling apart and wild synchronicities are happening.
 
I used to think the reason I wasn't hardly taking psychedelics during my main opiate addiction years was because I never had money to buy them, because It was spent on opiates. Maybe this was just a subconscious excuse to not do the work that psychedelics wanted me to do.

However, when I quit opiates recreationally for good, about 6 weeks into sobriety I took an lsd trip that had a pretty severe impact on my psych and resting anxiety levels. I was almost sent to the ER because I was about to seize up. Once I calmed down a bit with amazing help from my friend and a friendly benzo (thanks B lol) I was ok. But still had lasting anxiety, for a couple years after the experience, even to the point I was *almost* addicted to benzos...somehow got out of 4-8mg of alprazolam a day with no discernable wd. This experience also made cannabis use difficult at points. Lots of stoned realizations about life while super baked in the shower haha...some of them uncomfortable realizations.

It was this experience that solidified how I felt about opiate addiction. It was truly eye opening to see the psychological hold that opiates possess you with, even after wd symptoms disappear. Im not sure I would have reached this conclusion without lsd.
*looks at camera and thumbs up "Thanks LSD!!!!"
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
Because with opiates you KNOW they're gonna make you feel good, they're predictable and pleasant 99% of the time, while psychedelics can easily turn into a hellish experience if something goes wrong, and let's be honest here if you have an opiate habit you're probably not in a good place in your life
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I greatly appreciate this post for clarifying something I've been thinking about a lot lately. Quite a lot of successful people have opiate addiction struggles--those who can afford to be hooked like lawyers, doctors, and even celebrities. I suppose you can have the life everyone wants but still be dying on the inside and compensating through opiate abuse. For too long I've tried to appreciate how amazing my life was for a few years back and couldn't find the happiness I've always wanted, so my cup of tea became appealing for quite a while. I think when I read this I just realized that I was definitely not in a good place during that time period, and had not been acknowledging my true feelings and self-rationalizing the addiction. I thought it was just fun and games while exploring a new beautiful sensation until it became far darker. But when I read this post I resonated with it quite a bit because I had been denying what you were saying for so long. Now I realize and accept that I was an unhappy person despite nothing being wrong with my life and having so many great things going for me. Whatever, life is complex. On a good note, when I am sober I am generally much happier than I was before the substance abuse in general. Far less anxiety and existential dread. Can't explain that whatsoever.

As for the psychedelics, I think there is a general cult following behind that class of drugs. Many people view them as eye-opening magical portals into your subconscious. However, they're really not for everyone. I don't think if you can't manage yourself under the influence of LSD/shrooms that you are secretly hiding things within your inner mind that you don't want to face. Sometimes psychedelic trips can totally disorient you to the point that you can't even form complete sentences within your own mind. It's very disorienting at times as if you have full-blown amnesia. I've forgotten my own name before and who I was while being on the verge of a panic attack out of the confusion. The loss of ego can teach you things I suppose but it can also be more terrifying than anything you've ever encountered in the sober world. If psychedelics aren't for you and constantly unpleasant, you don't have to keep trying to make them work. Meth isn't for everyone. I don't think you can say that meth should be for everyone if you adopt this mindset and open yourself to vulnerability for example :LOL: But I could understand why people would disagree with my statement on psychedelics. LSD/mushrooms are incredibility potent and while recreationally popular I think it's not to be overlooked how powerful the effects truly can be. It's not my idea of a fun substance to do on a Friday night. I have to absolutely be mentally in the right mindset to trip. Which is why it's horrifying when I read about people surprise tripping from some "friend" slipping tabs in their drink.
 
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Good point, they aren't for everyone. Some people (my mom for example) really don't like losing control, it's not because of inner turmoil, it's just not their thing. Psychedelics certainly make you lose control in various ways. Personally I love that, but not everyone does. Good clarification. (y)
 
Yea, a lot of it is about just letting go and get blown away by the cosmic winds. That's what I always called when your super dosed up and you see someones hair wiggling lol. The cosmic winds and then they squint because they are so high, because the cosmic winds are in their eyes lol
 
Xorkoth said:
I quit psychedelics for a few years during the worst of my opiate addiction, but returned to them with a new love. It's really about getting yourself to a good place. In fact some of my best trips were some of the first after I turned my life around (not just opiates but also bad marriage, feelings of lack of self-worth, etc).
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Yeah after I kicked oxy I went on a bit of a hippie vibe for a bit doing MDMA, LSD, and smoking loads of weed. Felt like I was giving myself some therapy after I'd been feeling down for so long. And those trips helped me feel better for the brighter future awaiting me.

Now I'm doing much better in life and as a result have zero desire to take any oxy. In fact I got a strip of 80's thrown in with another drug deal, and I tried one but it did very little for me because I no longer have pain I'm trying to hide from. Ended up just giving the rest away without a second thought. That was a good moment - proves to myself that the drug has no power over me anymore.

Having a break from psychedelics atm just for practical reasons but I did some Mandy last month and am smoking weed daily, have to say it's a positive thing for me.
 
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