How has contact with the supernatural changed your life?

[modern buddha]

^ Precisely why I said " who cannot believe it". Any person who refuses to doubt their senses using rationalizations will attempt to think out what it is they saw.

Also, there are many, many non "normal, rational people" in this world.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

The fact that most people who claim these encounters seem to view them as unspectacular suggests to me those people already expect them. Just like believing in the tooth-fairy, only for grown-ups.

I never expected to see a poltergeist. I shushed my wife when she first yelled to me that she saw an object moving by itself, since I was inclined to not believe her. I looked hard for prosaic explanations. I found none. I still don't feel the event impacted my life that much in the long run.

Defying other people's generalizations is a highly underrated pleasure indeed. %)

 

[panic in paradise]

it always makes me less fearful ... no matter what

i had an unwitting/ religious(demonghost believer!!) friend encounter Native American spirit(4-6 y/o girl) and while she was confused/exhilarated and speaking of it - her baby sitter called, ,saying her and the 2 kids were out-side; as they saw a small, white-sh-lit girl (in the same place as seen before by the friend), i dont remember if the baby sitter described any NA relations as far as identifiable clothing etc,.

this is the most simple, and charming of experiences ive been a part of, with this.


/the 'ostrich affect' only works with this subject; that is until you are all head-and-tales under...

 

[massive]

I never expected to see a poltergeist. I shushed my wife when she first yelled to me that she saw an object moving by itself, since I was inclined to not believe her. I looked hard for prosaic explanations. I found none. I still don't feel the event impacted my life that much in the long run.

Defying other people's generalizations is a highly underrated pleasure indeed. %)

For me, it's not about the explanations, its more about the implications. If you 100% are convinced that some un-explainable shit went down (which i agree is not always that the case as there may be an element of doubt) this should set-off a train reaction of thoughts in your mind that would should end up in some sort of epiphany. At the very least, the idea that you are never alone, and are always under the eye. should be pretty freaky.

another thing is when people claim that the reason I cant see it is that im just not open enough to receive the signals from the higher powers. 8) where have i heard that before?

 

[panic in paradise]

thats impossible:

" another thing is when people claim that the reason I cant see it is that im just not open enough to receive the signals from the higher powers. where have i heard that before? "


sometimes seeing is believing: or trying to not (which is even more frightening to myself) seeking: this is a dangerous thought as well negative-fools dream, a goose chase..: leaves one bound to start crying wolf in themselves.

BUT, our world would be very boring with out many opinions beliefs theories etc, no?;-)

and besides, it takes too much of ones energy to attempt to compel ones own values onto another, leads to tired conversations, and listless notations.

 

[artic]

I think that your earth-shattering-epiphany theory really only works when someone CAN'T incorporate an experience into their perception of reality. Most of us aren't so sure of ourselves and our place in the world, and our perceptions of reality are somewhat flexible, so it might not require restructuring an entire paradigm. Of course, if its not an earth-shattering-epiphany, then they just believe it because they want to, right? 8)

I kinda think that if you met someone who HAD an extreme shift in thinking as a result of a supernatural experience, you would think they were just crazy.

Realizing that you were wrong about everything for your whole life isn't an idea that is easy to accept, and it might be easier to deny an experience than to face it. The fact is that most people who witness unexplainable events don't come forward. I definitely don't go around sharing my experience outside the anonymity of the Internet. People would call me crazy, and I don't really like being called crazy because I'm pretty sure that I'm relatively sane (I don't really care if people call me crazy online, ya'll aren't real ).

 

[qwe]

each time i experience mysticism*, it's more profound than the previous. it seems to build on itself.

each time, my mind feels "complete", where everything is in place, and everything is "in control" (but i realize that i have no real control, it's a chemical illusion, at the same time).

i experience realizations that normally would take a lot longer to reach, because normally my thoughts are more narrow, wandering, or whatever.

i experience a profound sense of peace and bliss, and i often wonder if there is some way to convey the feeling. i even wonder, each time i enter the experience, if there is some way to store the feeling in my memory so that i can fully appreciate it while in "normal headspace". that sort of thing cannot be accurately recorded into our memories.

these mystical experiences are a huge driving force in my life, keeping me going forward. they help guide me toward that elusive "happiness", and their memories have a profound impact on my beliefs and behavior.

the usual way i induce these experiences is cannabis, but set/setting/chemistry all have to click into place. sometimes i can achieve this state for a few hours, sometimes a few minutes. sometimes i can achieve it multiple times per week, sometimes cannabis just increases my hedonistic drive. sometimes cannabis is not needed.

your mileage will vary, obviously. i seem quite sensitive to psychedelic effects (ever since an LSA trip many years ago, my entire visual system has changed, to where the world is intensely beautiful. i could try to convey how, but it wouldn't do it justice). most people need shrooms/LSD to induce these states.

i believe that we can do things with our brains that we previously thought impossible... i believe that we can, from the top down (from our consciousness) control and observe pathways of thought and emotion (those two, imo, are intertwined enough to be essentially the same process)... and as we learn more about these pathways of thought and experience, the learning builds on itself, making the next experience even more amazing.

each "trip" is completely different than other trips. commonalities between trips exist, though: an overwhelming appreciation for being alive and everything that i have; an overwhelming sense of motivation; an increase in hedonism; a sense of being in the moment and where i'm supposed to be; and a drastic increase in creativity when writing or programming or drawing or designing.

* i don't believe it's "supernatural", i believe it's neurochemical in nature... if our brains are capable of piecing together our subjective reality from mere electronic signals... then our brains are capable of making our world appear magical...

but it is still chemistry, even if it feels (literally) like i'm receiving divine inspiration from another entity.

divinity lies within.

 

[B9]

Yes to the supernatural or "inexplicable" occurences, some under the influence of drugs however mainly not. I could number the times on the fingers of my hands that events that fit the thread title have happened to me.
Have they affected the way I run my life ? good question, inevitably any new experience must affect ones decision making process so in that sense yes.
That said |I do think that my outlook has altered & it has caused me to try to think more deeply - something I struggle with :D.
Yes it seems there is more to heaven & Earth etc & therefore with hindsight I guess that my point of view on many things has altered pretty radically & I think it unlikely I'd hold the same opinions beliefs etc that I do had I not experienced the things I have.

 

[massive]

I think that your earth-shattering-epiphany theory really only works when someone CAN'T incorporate an experience into their perception of reality.

Highlights my previous point. Nearly everyone who have these experiences don't feel any revelatory changes because it already fits into their pre-conceived expectations and world view.

Seems analogous to a religious person witnessing a miracle which confirms their original belief. its just a given.

Someone without any pre-conceived notions one way or the way would be expected to receive a substantial jilt in their world view.

[/clubbing of baby seals]

 

[artic]

You take a very black and white view of the world around you, it seems. I don't think that most people fit neatly into the two extremes of believer and skeptic. I suppose I would have viewed myself as an optimistic skeptic before I had any experience with the paranormal (I was quite young, however, as previously mentioned). Meaning, I didn't believe, but I wasn't willing to say with absolute certainty that "supernatural" events were impossible, maybe just beyond our current understanding. I honestly wish my brother would comment on this thread, as he is one of the few people I know who was an extreme skeptic before he had a first hand experience. This was after my mom's healing, which I think he kinda blocked out somehow. He isn't the type to believe ANYTHING unless he has first hand experience. I think he mostly likes to pretend it never happened. He talks about it now and then, but he isn't the one to bring it up. I'm still not sure what you expect from people, running wild in the streets shouting that you've witnessed the impossible? As I recall, after my brother's contact we got good and drunk about it, but didn't exactly make a scene. Like I say, most of us don't want to be called crazy.

 

[rincewindrocks]

Didnt discount mom's healing, just put it down to a natural progressions, as opposed to any actual spiritual healing.

So, when we were in Edinburgh, we went to a graveyard where they were doing ghost tours (I want to say Potters Field, but I could be very wrong....honestly don't remember). Anyway, we were wandering around the main part of the graveyard, and I was just kinda bored. We get to the last part, where they are going to take us into a crypt that housed a mass grave. As soon as we went through the gates leading to the crypts, I got a deep chill, but I just ignored it.

So we crowd into the crypt itself, and I am getting more and more nervous, for no good reason. All of a sudden, I feel this sensation like cobwebs brushing my arm. Keep in mind that I was wearing long sleeves at the time. So I jump, and right as I do, the tour guide was like "Often people who experience contact report a feeling of being touched by a cobweb." Or something to that effect. Basically, describing what I had just felt before she said anything. I ran out of the crypt.

As artic said, we went back to the hostel, and he calmed me down (I was white as a sheet and still breathing hard) and then we went next door for a couple pints.

As far as changing my life, I am still skeptical, but I am no longer dismissive of people's claims about the supernatural or spiritual world.

 

[artic]

Well, she was diagnosed with a disease for which there was no cure, and very little in the way of treatment at the time, and it was gone in an instant of spiritual revelation. Can't really see the natural progression in that, but maybe you remember it more clearly than me.

 

[panic in paradise]

shame and re-clusiveness.


the urge anyhow.

 

[massive]

You take a very black and white view of the world around you, it seems. I don't think that most people fit neatly into the two extremes of believer and skeptic.

Skeptic is a label that you have applied, which implies that most people don't believe it or actively deny it.

Far from expounding that view, i find that pretty annoying. Just because you havent been 'touched from above' does not make you a "skeptic" . In fact i would say most people would welcome an experience like it.

Shame and re-clusiveness (sic)

don't want to be called crazy

not to sound too offensive, but again, what a pathetic, miserable waste of an experience that *should* have been a positive affirmation, at the very least.

 

[panic in paradise]

^ whom sir are you quoting?

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i see what you are saying, but you missed
were i said "urge", this is my note of optimism.

 

[rincewindrocks]

Well, she was diagnosed with a disease for which there was no cure, and very little in the way of treatment at the time, and it was gone in an instant of spiritual revelation. Can't really see the natural progression in that, but maybe you remember it more clearly than me.

well people have spontaneously rejected from their bodies cancer, HIV/AIDS, and some other things...i know it is a different type of disease, but still, i was just saying at the time i couldn't or didnt want to attribute it to anything spiritual

 

[panic in paradise]

^ yep^
my body was enveloped with chronic-pain, from an autoimmune d/o - certain things happened which i dont need to understand, or could run in circles forever trying... it was bad enough to have my parents w/o hesitation say that death seemed like would be easier for all, and it would have been - sincerely.


this has since fukD off-with acknowledgment - rather then fear -
my Humira is still in the refrigerator.

if i was to of been un-attuned , or with less 'experience', enough slack to deny deny deny. the chain of events which later came have all taken many lives, there is, and are such amongst - and so now when my eyes roll, its out of thanks to which ever way she may be, and as always thats

 

[artic]

Skeptic is a label that you have applied, which implies that most people don't believe it or actively deny it.

Far from expounding that view, i find that pretty annoying. Just because you havent been 'touched from above' does not make you a "skeptic" . In fact i would say most people would welcome an experience like it.

not to sound too offensive, but again, what a pathetic, miserable waste of an experience that *should* have been a positive affirmation, at the very least.

I was saying that most people aren't believers or skeptics. I also said nothing about people being "touched from above", or implied that anyone who has had a supernatural experience is superior to anyone who has not. You asked a question, and we are trying to answer it. People will rarely respond how you think they *should*, so I suggest you get over it.

well people have spontaneously rejected from their bodies cancer, HIV/AIDS, and some other things...i know it is a different type of disease, but still, i was just saying at the time i couldn't or didnt want to attribute it to anything spiritual

True dat. Strange shit happens every day.

 

[panic in paradise]

i believe that spontaneous combustion is a more odd occurrence.


and who says *touched from above* means not by something Negative..?
i think its a more neutral energy, and our minds 'polar' settings are the Lit, uniquely from one another as always.

of course there are malfunctions, or hyper-functions maybe that cause hallucinations and delusions or powerful wild thoughts from a part of our brain, with out whats there to rationalize and level them out.


ive meet a few psych and many med-professionals who fully accept and are receptive of this para-norm, but they usually would never mention anything like this to a 'client'... and these theories and views are expressed to us subtly, and soon will be implemented into psychology/-chiatry or 'people-management' soon in a more neutral way; having a much greater positive effect - truly eventually, as the negative ones to become further disassembled from our society.


teaching oneself to become ambidextrous in the smallest ways could be of great help.



IDK, but it seems the strange shit that does happens everyday, should/could break down most-any walls of fear - with acceptance and acknowledgment of the contradictions & catch-22's we encounter personally.

"everything is happening all the time everywhere"
-?

so why worry??

 

[massive]

I was saying that most people aren't believers or skeptics.

The fact that you even suggested that dichotomy shoes misunderstanding. I repeat, not being a believer does not a 'skeptic' make you be.

People will rarely respond how you think they *should*, so I suggest you get over it.

Just pointing out the flippancy and blasé-ness of these claims, which don't really lend them any air of creditability.

And the irony that people who *would* have a life-changing epiphany if they witnessed a supernatural occurrence *never* witness one.