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How do you deal with debt? (student loans and other debt)

Ah, Finder, finder, finder.....

Actually, this is very close to my heart (or at least my OCD habits) as I've been fighting my way out of debt for the past 4 years. I've been listening to several of the guru's on the subject for much longer than that and have quite a bit of insight.

My insight on school loans, however, is miniscule as I was fortunate enough not to have to take any out. Still, debt issues are something of an obsession/passion for me. I've gone so far as to build spreadsheets to keep track of all my credit cards, their rates, and how long until I can pay them off based upon how much over the minimum I am paying. In the past 3 years, we (my wife and I) have managed to never bounce a check, always keep a little cash for emergencies, and drive credit cards down from nearly 40k to almost 10k (granted, we've got two incomes, but we also travel a lot and enjoy our lives).

Regardless, there are some basic principles to keep in mind. First and foremost - pay yourself first. This means you address the 'Have-to-pay' things first (car payment, rent/mortgage, groceries until next paycheck, AND put a llittle into SAVINGS for emergencies). Then you start addressing the 'Need-to-pay' things. The list of 'Need-to-pay' would be credit cards, loans (school, bank-personal, friend/family-personal) etc. These should be listed from highest interest rate to lowest (usually, that puts friends and family at the bottom, but you can move them higher on the list based on guilt-factor). Next to each one, list the interest rate and the minimum monthly payment. Add them up and see what's left from that pay-period's paycheck as disposable income (for ciggs, fun, travel, whatever). Of that disposable income, how much can I get by on and still enjoy myself? How much could I put towards paying down my debt quicker (again, personal guilt may sway this value).

If you have, say, $200 of your disposable to put towards debt, pay it to the top of the list first. The goal is to always get rid of the highest interest debt (because money paid on interest is money you are throwing away - just *giving* to the bank). It may take a few weeks to feel out how much of that disposable money you can live without, and put towards debt, but once you've got to a comfortable living cash flow stick to it. By paying more than the minimum, you bring that debt closer to being paid off in a much quicker fashion.

At the point where you refinance a debt (either student loan consolidation, or rolling credit card debt to a new 'low introductory offer' card) you should re-evaluate this list of debts - and re-rank them based on interest (and guilt).

When you finally pay off one of your debts, take the entire monthly amount you were paying to it and add it to the next highest debt on the list in order to pay that next one down even quicker. Also, there are little 'helper' things you can do (like the 1:1 for cigg spending or eating out spending) such as any bonus money you get can go straight to debt. It's money you don't *need* to live on, so send it where it can benefit you the most. Granted, you need to enjoy life, so maybe take 10% and buy a new outfit or some new kande ;) but put 90-100% towards debt and it will help. Similarly, when you get a raise, if it is an extra $50/mo, try to bump up your debt payments by that amound and keep your disposable fun spending at the same level it's been. Another thing to do is the student loan consolidation (a single payment on one debt is better than multiple payments on several debts). And for credit cards, you want to consolidate where you can - do a balance transfer from 1-3 cards down to a single card (at the lowest rate possible).

I'll stop my LONG ASSED POST here, but I'll be back (in this thread or one like it) to discuss the pitfalls of credit card debt consolidation and ways to make it work for you without hurting your credit rating (because someday, you *may* want that wife, and I gaurantee she'll want the house which means you need to protect your credit rating all the time).
 
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Just an addition to Perp Indulg's note - if you want to do some research on your own, check on:

Suze Orman (as he noted)
Clark Howard - sounds like a weasel/dork but knows his stuff
Dave Ramsey - has a somewhat religious/christian bent to him, but it isn't too prevelant

There are others, but these are the best I've found at addressing the population (age groups) common here at BL with the exact kinds of problems you all find yourselves facing. I know Suze has done several shows on tv, and Clark and Dave both have running radio shows right now (you may have a local show to listen to or can get them off the internet). I say this in hopes that you will give one of their shows a listen sometime (you can learn a lot on the basics) and you may be able to search the net for (e)books or videos by any of them.
 
And, just when you thought I'd have run out of steam (see, I told you I got obsessed about this stuff):

Some of the general guidelines they *all* preach:

1) Build some kind of SAVINGS into your budget (so you are always building it up). Establish an emergency fund of at least $1000 to cover the unexpected (car repairs, speeding tickets, medical bills, etc).

2) THEN pay down debt as fast as you can (to your comfort level of disposable income)

3) THEN transition from past-recover to future-planning. For example, at this point build that savings up from $1000 to 6 months of pay (in case of layoffs, or downpayment on a home, or whatever) AND start considering investments for your future. Don't worry about stocks, bonds, or other investments until you've gotten out of your current hole of debt (401k's and 403b's are a different topic for another thread).

*deep breath* Okay, I'll shaddup now.
 
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U could consider applying for a deferment on the payment of the student loans. Interest will accumulate, but it is such a low rate that it would be better to apply all of your disposable income towards the high interest credit cards.

Some employers offer assistance with payment of student loans. A friend of mine accepted a computer programming position with Gilbarco and they paid a portion of his loan for him.
 
wow, that 1:1 idea is AWESOME. as soon as i get a job, i'm gonna be all over that. thanks!

oh, finder, i'm sorta in a situation similar to this--- but more CC debt than student loan. i will, however, be taking out another student loan shortly (yes i realized i missed the deadline) to pay off the CC debt and get rid of those nasty APRs.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
And, just when you thought I'd have run out of steam (see, I told you I got obsessed about this stuff):

Some of the general guidelines they *all* preach:

1) Build some kind of SAVINGS into your budget (so you are always building it up). Establish an emergency fund of at least $1000 to cover the unexpected (car repairs, speeding tickets, medical bills, etc).

2) THEN pay down debt as fast as you can (to your comfort level of disposable income)

3) THEN transition from past-recover to future-planning. For example, at this point build that savings up from $1000 to 6 months of pay (in case of layoffs, or downpayment on a home, or whatever) AND start considering investments for your future. Don't worry about stocks, bonds, or other investments until you've gotten out of your current hole of debt (401k's and 403b's are a different topic for another thread).

*deep breath* Okay, I'll shaddup now.

Now go ahead and give Dave Ramsey the credit he deserves for that plan of "yours"..

You basically quoted his "total money makeover" to a T.. Not that its patented but it goes by baby steps...

step1 emergency fund of 1000
step2 get out of unsecured debt first using the debt snowball technique
step 3 6 months of all expenses in reserve
step 4 pay off home
step 5 use your income for future income through investments. Dave recommends baby steps with this too, rothIRA first followed by growth stock mutual funds..

his motto is "live like no one else so in the future you can live like no one else"

Some of you should check him out, he gives very practical common sense advice..
 
I think the idea is that once you're done all that post-secondary study, you're supposed to get a decent entry-level salary to offset the cost...

Apparently... I'm still waiting for mine. 8)
 
E-ric said:
Now go ahead and give Dave Ramsey the credit he deserves for that plan of "yours"..

Well, I *am* glad someone could remember his exact steps (I couldn't, but used what I recalled as the skeleton of my summary). But they all reccomend getting a safety net, then clearing debt, and then building wealth - in that order. The specific 'baby-step' goals vary depending upon who you ask/listen-to but also ought to vary depening upon who is asking the question since not all steps apply to everyone's situation ;)
 
TLB, you are the most subtle postwhore ever. ;)

I appreciate the advice! And everyone's input. I'm sure I'll be fine, I just needed to come to the realization that I had to do something about it and part of that was starting this thread. I installed Quicken and have begun to track my expenses so we'll see how it goes.
 
stop going out, stop buying shit. I hardly get paid anything and I pay my current debts at a rate of $2,000/month. They're disappearing quickly. It's no fun, but my credit rating will be insane pretty soon.
 
For the time being, I keep applying for interest relief, and keep forgetting it exists because it is so unimaginably high. I honestly believe that dying is more feasible than paying it off :\
 
Jamshyd said:
For the time being, I keep applying for interest relief, and keep forgetting it exists because it is so unimaginably high. I honestly believe that dying is more feasible than paying it off :\

As a fellow Canadian, I can totally relate. Did you know that if you spend several consecutive terms on interest relief, they'll refund $14,000 of your student loan back?

My strategy? KEEP GOING TO SCHOOL!
 
^ I *really* hope that happens. I also applied for disability relief as someone with bipolar, I hope that would help chop off more of it as well...
 
Since my last post in 2005, I have paid off my student loans and my truck.
I have zero credit card debt :)
Now I have a mortgage, 13,500 left in wedding debt, and a new car loan...my truck shit the bed earlier than expected.

I have never fallen behind with any payments in my life. I have a great credit history.

I live within my means. That is how I deal with debt.
 
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