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How do you conquer fear of Hallucinogens/psychadelics

psood0nym said:
I'm not sure anybody really "likes" salvia. It's not meant to be pleasant. For me it's not so fearful as it is shocking (using it under the influence of a dissociative helps make it not so physically jarring, for future reference). It's something to do because, if you don't, you haven't faced reality as much as you could have and you would've died knowing it. Salivia shows just how different existence can be -- it's like a blind man at the edge of an abyss prodding the open air with his cane for where to take his next step. It's dangling over the infinite. It gives new perspective to Kennedy's and Whittman's words both, and demonstrates what the phrase "anything is possible" could really entail.
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hahah, good ol'psood messing around.... I was just being sarcastic reallly but where ever there is a veil of truth,,,,,,,,..;)
 
my3rdeye said:
Your story is almost exactly like mine. Even the years! I just got back into LSD in 2009 instead the new chemicals, but other than that your break period was almost exact same time as mine. I did some mushrooms in that time, but for a long while LSD scared the shit out of me! At age 40 it's much different it's way smoother for me. Never any bad trips now.
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Some random symmetry there!

I may source some proper acid at some point, just so it's around if I do decide to give it another whirl. But having had so many tricky trips, I'm fucking wary! But who knows, my maturity might mean I now thoroughly enjoy LSD the way I enjoy the pharmocopiea of different psyches I've enjoyed since remounting the swirlie horse!
 
Help?!?! said:
hahah, good ol'psood messing around.... I was just being sarcastic reallly but where ever there is a veil of truth,,,,,,,,..;)
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Yep, like *I think* you're leaning at, regardless of your intentions when you posted it, I believe salvia does give new meaning to the maxim. As long as you've got a sitter salvia is pretty much perfectly safe physically speaking -- it's thoroughly harmless in a sense, like most psychedelics. Yet, it's not anything like any other psychedelic. Without our having to do anything, and without any outside force acting on us, with just "fear," or, rather, with just the revelation of a "sublime unknown," itself, it shows just how much a few seconds of a mind state that we could have in no way prepared for or anticipated beforehand, no matter our prior psychedelic experience, can turn our entire conception of life inside out. Saliva is just that powerfully left-field.
 
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Never had a bad trip - been uncomfortable a few times but nothing more. The basics always hold true - start with a low dose until you feel comfortable with the drug, then gradually increase it. That's about all you need to know.
 
Only DMT have really scared me. Or at least been very overwhelming. Haven't done it since. Some day though, some day
 
OddEnchilada said:
...I read a story on the internet (so take it with a grain of salt) about a guy who smoked a lot of salvia and lived a whole other live as an alien and then woke up in his bed like half an hour later after what felt like 200 years. that is terrifying to me.

so have any of you had to deal with trips that really scared you? did you get past it or just stop taking drugs?
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First of all, nobody knows what it feels like to live for 200 years, because nobody lives for 200 years.
I stopped doing drugs and after choosing to quit because it felt like I was losing my cool. I experienced some powerful hallucinations after quitting. Of course I did not return to using drugs and it took a long time to feel normal. Any weed I smoked hit me like lightning and I think total abstinence may have been my only choice, but after 5 years of waiting, some anxiety medication was able to help me gain the upper-hand.
 
Basically I did not know of any medication and stayed quiet for a long time about having used illegal drugs. It would have saved me a lot of trouble in the long run if I had simply medicated myself earlier. I still recall what I experienced was not worth the trouble. It also took me a while to sort out all my twisted thoughts.
 
Eventually with time and a clear mind you will integrate what you experienced into your life/mind/ and your pain and fear should start to subside, you'll eventually embrace those fears or hopefully at least. Anyway yeah this has happened to me twice once on 25i passed off as LSD and once on mushrooms. Best advice would be to try and lay off most drugs especially marijuana and psychedelics for a good few months at least to heal a bit and see where you're at. Maybe you don't need to continue using psyches but that is your choice. Oh and when you talk about how life may not be real and what not, I had that problem too and still do for me what helps is reading or looking into stuff on string theory basics or about philosophy's on the reality of everything. Morgan Freeman's into the wormhole show and futurescape on the science channel are awesome too! So yeah congrats, your mind has been expanded.
 
900 ugs of 25b is to high a dose. 250-300 ug's is ok even nice. 500 ug's is heavy for me. 40 mg's ho mipt is to much pseudo seizures etc. approx 1.2 mg 25 c nbome and 20 mg tma 2 not good. Large dose aya/yaje in jungle not the most fun, insects less so. MDPV and MPA in a stupid situation almost = death by OD. I could go on but this was pushing the boundaries to see what extremes my bad could handle and to see what the experiences could bring, mostly pain, sweat, nausea, pain, muscle tension, spasms, pain, pseudo seizures, possibly mild strokes, cardiac irregularity leading to possible mild MI and finally pain.

Heaps of visual stimuli OEV's, CEV's. "ego death" beyond "ego death" beyond "machine elf" OEV delirium. Full blown "other side" visitation as in I'm fucking dead and going to the after life type light at the end of the tunnel type shit (scary) and pissing/shitting yourself. Don't do drugs much these days but when I do the doses are as controlled as the drugs are (scheduled).
 
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