How do we want to handle the Synthetic Discussion in CD?

[weekend addiction]

Its used for its cannabis like effects, it interacts with the same receptors its THC like in effect. Just do not read the threads if it doesn't interest or pertain to you.

But I hate seeing them. When Im looking through thread titles I'm forced to read things like "K2" and other words that piss me off.

 

[Coolio]

I think cannabis is such a common drug that it requires its own forum. I don't think that its because JWH is untested that thats why it shouldn't be in this forum. But because we have enough cannabis topic to fill a whole forum already. synthetics are just wasting space in my favorite forum.

Bluelight has way too many subforums, and not enough traffic in most of them. The more traffic per forum the better.

 

[Assphace]

But I hate seeing them. When Im looking through thread titles I'm forced to read things like "K2" and other words that piss me off.

Maybe you should spark one up and chill a bit, broski.

 

[Chainer]

But I hate seeing them. When Im looking through thread titles I'm forced to read things like "K2" and other words that piss me off.

Common man, I know you well enough to know that can't be bothering you. Hope you're doing alright

A split would be a bit ridiculous at this point. The structure of BL seems pretty solid, it's why I post here so often. Good checks and balancing system, and rather open discussion of almost everything...

Both PD and CD has valuable input for both HR and experimentation with this drug. If anything, I have provided very useful info in the syth thread after learning quiet a bit about it myself (oddly enough in ADD or BDD, not PD -- I didn't even know there was a syth CB thread in PD!).

And yes, I know you look down on CD as the joke thread of BL, but it isn't. There are a lot of hotheads here, but there are also a lot of highly intelligent and brilliant minds here who are very capable.

 

[Jibult]

Synthetic cannabinoids are still research chemicals.

Research chemicals, while some may or may not have similar effects to smoking marijauna, are most definitely not cannabis.

I was always under the impression that research chemicals belong in OD by default...




I just don't like how someone interested in trying pot might come to bluelight's CD and find something like the "K2 ruined my life" thread and consequently be inappropriately scared away from the herb because of what a handful of... (hmm, how can I put this nicely?) "under-informed"... drug users have reported after ingesting synthetic cannabinoids.

 

[Vader]

I was always under the impression that research chemicals belong in OD by default

You think all the substituted tryptamines and phenethylamines belong in OD? That seems totally backasswards to me, ODers in general are into opiates and stims, it's just the wrong forum for discussing psychedelic drugs.

 

[Coolio]

Some of the effects that people experience from K2 are possible from cannabis as well. Cannabis newbs have 'whited out' and had panic attacks that gave them PTSD before too.

 

[Chainer]

A lot of the reports I've heard have towards JWH are regarding specific blends: ie: K2, Spice, what have you. Less so on JWH. Like all drugs, it will react to the individual differently, that much we know. To what degree, that much I'd like to know.

But isn't that a bit derailed? Have we come to any sort of consensus in the last 3 pages? I think moving RCs into their own forum seems to be out of the question at this current time, it's more of a... do we need 2 separate threads in PD and CD for this particular RC? This isn't a turf war guys... I think the more HR we can do the better, and it reaches both audiences (those looking to get stoned vs those looking to psychonaught around) in both PD and in CD. It shouldn't be hard to redirect specific questions that are more targeted towards whichever thread they really belong in...

That, or one mega thread -- just a matter of where it goes. To me, this is more a matter of semantics. My honest hope is we have can two distinct discussions on the value of these RCs as both mild and highly psychedelic dosages. If this isn't the case or the general consensus, we will need to make a mega-thread and decide upon where it goes... From what I've been hearing, a new sub forum doesn't seem likely, so maybe that is a discussion for another time? I'm just in the dark as you guys as to "what everyone wants"...

So, any input on that thus far?

 

[lightofmeaning]

imo it would be better to leave it as is, in both forums, than to make a mega thread. the important thing is to keep people safe. it worries me that people think that it is similar to weed, you can OD or become very ill, with simialr risks. as long as the message of risks and the message of how to use it safe and responsible gets out, we have all won. good luck to the mods. id hate to be in your shoes on this one.

 

[Blowmonkey]

Here's a couple of suggestions:

• Make mega threads for every available JHW analogue (and others) out on the market, at least the ones that are most common.
  
• Adopt the bracket policy OD has implemented; (Synthetics), (Cultivation), (Cooking), (Etcetera).

1 mega thread doesn't suffice for every synthetic out there, it would allow for easier acces to information, especially when you make a header with links to every other (synthetic) mega thread concerning the subject (á la PD). The brackets would also come in handy, especially for re-organizing the forum a little bit, it'd be easier to ignore or recognize certain topics.

I think the more HR we can do the better, and it reaches both audiences (those looking to get stoned vs those looking to psychonaught around) in both PD and in CD

The more the merrier, but the majority of quality posts seem to dissapear in PD, it simply is distracting from this forum atm. There shouldn't be a distinction between "psychedelic posts" and "CD posts". It'd be easier if you categorize substances per forum. The most logical would be CD, imo.

 

[bluehairman]

Honestly, a couple JWH-018 threads is nothing to complain about. All of your arguments hold little to no reasoning, you're just searching for something to complain about just to get them out.

Many of you probably dislike JWH because it 'minics' marijuana and that's the only reason you dislike it. Then you'll pull out some bull shit excuse, "takes up space", "untested", ect.

Get over it, and do what you're here for in the first place. Harm reduction?

 

[hazed420]

also, "bread of africa" wut? iirc, cannabis came from asia.

I will explain For "yall"


LOL, i clearly typed "bread for africa" Because some of the best stuff grows in africa, natrual resource thats hard to control and earns people money for food with way more potential than u2. The seeds can be harvested en masse to feed the starving populations of africa, because they dont get the proper fatty acids, amino acids, and vitiamins with the rice they get from various food trusts and funds around the world.

Simple fixes for Simple problems that have a shrowd of complexity.

Synthetic analouge Forum or a subform for synthetics.
Cannabis is a plant with a very low toxicity and genuine medicinal purpose.

I still struggle to see why something synthisized in a lab can logically put in a forum with plant matter and extract with over 1000 years of human consumption and a pillar for the development of early global trade and industry.

 

[Vader]

I still struggle to see why something synthisized in a lab can logically put in a forum with plant matter and extract with over 1000 years of human consumption and a pillar for the development of early global trade and industry.

How is any of that relevant? This is a drugs forum, not a history and economics forum, and synthetic cannabinoids are sufficiently similar to cannabis in the relevant respects to warrant inclusion in this forum.
As I said earlier, there are probably natural psychedelic advocates in PD, who think that synthetics don't belong in their forum. IMO, that's just a case of tough titty. Having separate forums for natural and synthetic psychs would be silly, and it would be equally silly to split CD along the same lines. Your personal distaste for synthetics is not a good enough reason for discussion of them to be eliminated from CD.

 

[Link_S]

I'm not a regular in CD but my 2c is: ^Yeah but this is a cannabis discussion forum, to discuss different strains and effects etc of mj, no point comparing it to ecstasy & pips, how many people are being sold jwh powder as weed? Cannabis is cannabis is cannabis isnt JWH, i'm sure there a very small amount of cases where weed is sprayed with jwh but these are too small to be included, when people buy weed they get weed.

Synthetics are only going to get more popular, which equals more topics and although its good to have a big & dandy thread chances are when they take off more itl be too difficult to get an answer, which will equal more & more topics. So itl be better to have a sub forum, or a seperate one for all synthetic cannabanoids. Maybe make a poll or something?

 

[hazed420]

How is any of that relevant? This is a drugs forum, not a history and economics forum, and synthetic cannabinoids are sufficiently similar to cannabis in the relevant respects to warrant inclusion in this forum.
As I said earlier, there are probably natural psychedelic advocates in PD, who think that synthetics don't belong in their forum. IMO, that's just a case of tough titty. Having separate forums for natural and synthetic psychs would be silly, and it would be equally silly to split CD along the same lines. Your personal distaste for synthetics is not a good enough reason for discussion of them to be eliminated from CD.

Research Chemicals should be in their own section.

Jwh Cp etc etc Is not Cannabis.

 

[Vader]

Do you have any arguments to support your claim, or are you just going to flatly state your opinion with only an unamused smiley for justification? JWH, CP etc. etc. is not cannabis, you're right. However, it would be completely ridiculous to have a forum for all RCs. It's a pretty arbitrary distinction- MDMA was an RC once, does anyone now think it should be moved to the RC forum? When enough research on JWH has been done that it's no longer an RC, would you think it belongs here? I imagine not, as you just don't want to see synthetics discussed here at all, because of some naturalistic fallacy I imagine.
MDPV and desoxypipradrol users are going to get the best advice in OD, because that's where people have experience with drugs that have similar effects, and are likely to be using in similar ways. In the same vein, PDers have the appropriate knowledge and experience to best help out those who are intending to use substituted tryptamines.
Thus, we can see that the best way to handle RCs is to discuss them in the focus forum with the set of users that has the most knowledge and experience of substances with similar subjective effects. For synthetic cannabinoids, that forum is CD. The fact that it's called "Cannabis Discussion" can't be held up as some unshakeable proof that synthetics don't belong here- it's an accident of history, as there was no discussion of synthetic cannabinoids when this forum was started. Like I said before,

Your personal distaste for synthetics is not a good enough reason for discussion of them to be eliminated from CD.