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Opioids How bad is opiate withdrawal ?

that doctor obviously has never exsperienced withdrawal from using a heavy amount of heroin for a long time, i have and i bet every long term user will agree that coming off heroin is the most horrible time ever cas the pain and sickness goes on and on, why the hell do you think heroin user even though they want to quit cant cas its so hard. that doctor is an idiot,
 
I agree, the doctor is idiotic. I myself use Vicodin for back pain & only use the meds when im severely hurting. I cant imagine what people go threw when detoxing but I suppose its a price we pay for the enjoyment we receive while using opiates & screwing up our receptors. ive heard Lyrica is a great med to take when detoxing from opiates.

Question is, do I want to live with back pain for the rest of my life w/o any relief or do I get relief from the meds with the chance I will suffer from wd's down the road. Its a no win situation but you give up something to gain something.
 
The depths of hell

How can someone who hasn't been there make a true judgement on how it feels to withdraw from opiates. It would be like me lecturing on rocket science.I believe that that doctor, or whatever he was , was refering to people who had only taken the opiates for a week or so. Just long enough to pick up a bit of withdrawall. Like the difference between a bit of a hangover and being a real alchoholic. I'm 63 years old and have been on 'H' since 1972. I tried loads of times to quit but always went back. The reason is because it is not only a physical addiction, but a mental one too. Where as it is terribly painful and feels horrible in the physical sense thier is also an overwhelming psychological thing going on in the brain that turns the addict into a 'Jeckel and Hyde'. Something controlls an addicts brain, and the crazy thing is, he knows it, but has little or no control over it. Heroin(most used opiate), is not so much a drug as a way of life.
Thankfully I have my life under control because I receive a methadone maintenence prescription. It's the nearest I will ever get to coming off entirely, I would prefer to put an end to it, than suffer withdrawalls. I can't describe how it feels because I'v nothing to compare with. Only another real addict would have a clue what I was talking about.
 
Jesus KnowBudz, my heart really goes out for you. Give yourself a big pat on the back, you didn't go out and score, but stuck it out till you got your Subs'. Well done, hope you come right off soon. Good Luck !
 
This doctor sounds like a real ass, who has a pretty negative opinion of opiate addicts. Even with a mild heroin habit (2 bags a day) I found the withdrawals to be unbearable, and also found that they didn't even vary that much from the withdrawals i experienced when i was using much more than that (5-7 bags a day) Honestly, I've never had any sort of opiate withdrawal that could be described as "minor discomfort" even suboxone withdrawals are fucking terrible in my experience.
 
People assume that people who get addicted to do so because of low will power. The logic seems to be that if the will power was higher, the person would be strong-willed enough to resist peer pressure and try the drug OR they would be strong-willed enough to quit early in the experimental stage.

Environment obviously is everything when it comes to addiction, with people living under stress and with opiates readily available being the ones most susceptible to opiate addiction. A person's so-called will power may make up a portion of the equation of whether or not they become addicted to opiates, but this will power is merely a small artifact of what is actually a direct interaction between a person's genetic makeup and the environment into which they were born. Until there is something concrete to say that will is anything independent of the body (no evidence of this currently), will has to be looked at as nothing more than a manifestation of genes within an environment.

Strong or weak minded, people will become much more likely to succumb to opiate addiction if they are at odds with their environment and have opiates available. Humans share this characteristic with other animals-- we will use substances to get rid of our unpleasant frame of mind if they are readily available.
 
death.kiss said:
I can honestly say I've been close to suicide while withdrawling...its the most unpleasant experience.
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Don't get addicted to alcohol or benzos then, if you think opiate withdrawal is bad, from what i have heard that withdrawal makes heroin withdrawal a breeze. 8o
 
^Honestly, the withdrawals are pretty different and unique, and thus really hard to compare.

When handled properly (tapered slowly), neither benzo nor opiate withdrawal should be unbearable by any means. The thing is, people often do not plan out their withdrawal and thus go through intense w/d, which is of course debilitating with either category of drug and potentially lethal with benzos.
 
Pegasus, you are absolutely right. The people I've known in rehabs and detox units who come out clean and with all the best intentions in the world are back on the gear within weeks IF they go back to thier same old mates or enviroment. Even worse is those whose partners are still using. They don't stand a cat in hells chance of staying clean.
 
Ancient_Hippy said:
I have just finished reading a book called Romancing Opiates by Dr Theodore Dalrymple in which he claims that withdrawal from opiates including heroin is no more than a minor discomfort.

Doctor Dalrymple has worked in what he describes as a slum area and the prison service and has a lot of experience with drug addicts.

According to the doctor addicts greatly exaggerate the suffering of withdrawal to con doctors into prescribing opiates.

But the book contains contradictions as it also describes the desperate measures some addicts will go to get a fix. Why are they so compelled if withdrawal is such a minor thing to endure.

Never having been addicted to opiates I cannot make a judgment about the accuracy of the book.

I would be interested in the views of people who have been through opiate withdrawal - has the doctor got it right or is he wrong?
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This doctor is out of his mind!!! I dare him to go through wd and then say that they are no more than a minor discomfort. They are hell and having gone through them more than a few times and I think that anyone else that has went through them would say the same!! What a Quack:!
 
Opiate withdrawal is pretty fucking brutal. I find that some of the symptoms of opiate withdrawal are more 'intense' than those of benzo withdrawal (although most physical opiate withdrawal symptoms are over with within 5-7 days). But I would say Benzodiazepine withdrawal is far worse just because it lasts so damn long (months and months) and has a way further list of withdrawal symptoms.
 
Not as bad as you might think, but pretty bad. But it was never the withdrawal that prevented me from honest to god kicking opiates, I could always handle the acute phases, it was what came after, the depression, the anhedonia, the generall yuckiness.
 
This is one of the #1 perfect examples of why I despise Doctors to an insane degree.
 
Ancient_Hippy said:
I have just finished reading a book called Romancing Opiates by Dr Theodore Dalrymple in which he claims that withdrawal from opiates including heroin is no more than a minor discomfort.

Doctor Dalrymple has worked in what he describes as a slum area and the prison service and has a lot of experience with drug addicts.

According to the doctor addicts greatly exaggerate the suffering of withdrawal to con doctors into prescribing opiates.

But the book contains contradictions as it also describes the desperate measures some addicts will go to get a fix. Why are they so compelled if withdrawal is such a minor thing to endure.

Never having been addicted to opiates I cannot make a judgment about the accuracy of the book.

I would be interested in the views of people who have been through opiate withdrawal - has the doctor got it right or is he wrong?
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I would give anything in the world for this to be true.
 
Dr. Dalrymple is a fucking idiot. Any researcher worth his salt would become addicted to opiates and then WD to experience it for themselves.

A minor discomfort, yea whatever. When you are stuck to the toilet for days, cold sweats that soak your sheets and the muscle tremors and RLS. That is a BIT more than minor discomfort.
 
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