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Hondurans Demand DEA Leave After Shooting

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By FREDDY CUEVAS and MARTHA MENDOZA Associated Press
TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras May 17, 2012 (AP)

People in Honduras' predominantly Indian Mosquito coast region burned down government offices and demanded that U.S. drug agents leave the area, reacting angrily to an anti-drug operation in which they say police gunfire killed four innocent people, including two pregnant women.

The anger is aimed at both Honduran authorities and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, which confirmed on Wednesday that some of its agents were on a U.S.-owned helicopter with Honduran police officers when the shooting happened Friday on the Patuca River in northeastern Honduras.

Honduran and U.S. officials said only the police officers on the anti-drug mission fired their weapons, and not until the helicopter was shot at first. The officials said the aircraft was chasing a small boat suspected of carrying drugs on the river.

Local officials said the two men and two pregnant women killed weren't drug smugglers. They said the victims were diving for lobster and shellfish.

"These innocent residents were not involved in the drug problem, were in their boat going about their daily fishing activities ... when they gunned them down from the air," Lucio Vaquedano, mayor of the coastal town of Ahuas, said in a telephone interview Wednesday.

Recounting the burning of government offices in the northern Gracias a Dios region, Vaquedano said, "Some of the inhabitants reacted with anger at the attack, and sought revenge against the government."

The leaders of the Masta, Diunat, Rayaka, Batiasta and Bamiasta ethnic groups said in a press statement that "the people in that canoe were fishermen, not drug traffickers."

"For centuries we have been a peaceful people who live in harmony with nature, but today we declared these Americans to be persona non grata in our territory," the statement continued.

Ricardo Ramirez, chief of Honduras' national police force, said the operation "was carried out with the support of the DEA," and alleged the occupants of the boat were transporting drugs and fired at the helicopter. Ramirez said an assault rifle was seized at the scene.

DEA officials acknowledged their agents were working with Honduran police aboard the helicopter. "We were there in a support role, working with our counterparts," DEA spokeswoman Dawn Dearden said in Washington.

U.S. government officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because their statements had not been authorized, said Honduran law enforcement did not initiate the shooting, but rather returned fire after being attacked. The officials said the DEA agents did not fire.

Another U.S. official speaking on the same condition of anonymity said several helicopters owned by the U.S. State Department were involved in the mission and carried members of Honduras' National Police Tactical Response Team. The official didn't say how many helicopters were on the mission, but said the aircraft were piloted by Guatemalan military officers and outside contractor pilots.

When asked about the shooting, U.S. Embassy official Matthias Mitman in Tegucigalpa provided a written statement saying that "the U.S. assisted Honduran forces with logistical support in this operation" as part of efforts to fight narcotics trafficking.

The State Department says 79 percent of all cocaine smuggling flights leaving South America first land in Honduras, and the U.S .has been working with the Honduran military to stop the drug dealers.

The DEA has a Foreign-deployed Advisory Support Team based in Honduras, one of five in the region, according to congressional testimony. By the end of 2011, 42 Honduran law enforcement agents had been vetted to work with the DEA, according to State Department reports.

Last year, with help from the U.S., the Honduran government stopped more than 22 metric tons of cocaine in Honduras and adjacent waters, nearly four times more than 2010, the State Department has said. Although U.S. military helicopters and personnel from Soto Cano Air Base in Honduras have been involved in previous seizures, U.S. Embassy officials said Wednesday that neither troops nor equipment from the base were involved in Friday's incident.

George Withers, a senior fellow at the Washington Office on Latin America, which promotes human rights and democracy in the region, said his organization is concerned that DEA agents are frequently embedded with police and military throughout Central and South America for counter-drug operations. He said it's disconcerting to have Latin American military forces engaged in police work.

"We have seen over the years that whenever the military interfaces with the populace, incidents of human rights abuses go way up," he said. "We're concerned that the U.S. is encouraging the use of the military for police work."

In a written statement, the Committee of the Families of the Disappeared of Honduras, a human rights organization, said that "the so called Honduran authorities have the ethical and political duty to demand from the U.S. Department of State an explanation and a public apology, and to punish those responsible."

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Martha Mendoza reported from Santa Cruz, California. Associated Press writer Alberto Arce in Tegucigalpa contributed to this report.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/honduran-area-demands-dea-leave-shooting-16365392#.T7VElsUhPlO
 
just get out of Honduras

What can we (people of the US) do to get the US out of countries it has no business being in?
 
To be fair, Honduras is as much to blame for this clusterfuck as the US is. In as far as they allow DEA agents to operate in a police/paramilitary manner in their borders. I'm not entirely sure that removing the DEA would make the Honduran police or military any less incompetent then it is. This sounds routine as far as policing activities in Central America go. That does not make them right, but it is not solely on the USA's hands.
 
I've got to disagree with you rangrz. They are there because they bullied/bribed/blackmailed our way in. There is always more going on behind the curtains than meets the eye. DEA is a run away train that is only going to be reeled in with overwhelming public pressure. Either that or people are going to finally just stop loaning us money to pull off this ridiculous shit.
 
Good god.. Gee i wonder how a single assault rifle happened to find its way on their fishing boat8) Goddamn bunch of corrupt, murdering sick fucks. Those unborn kids will never have a chance at life because their government(and the DEA) decided that because a lot of cocaine travels through these waters in boats, that it was the right call to blow them away. And how much coke did they find??? None, and even if they did find some, it wouldnt be nearly as much as you'd find in thier own stash houses:X
 
I've got to disagree with you rangrz. They are there because they bullied/bribed/blackmailed our way in. There is always more going on behind the curtains than meets the eye. DEA is a run away train that is only going to be reeled in with overwhelming public pressure. Either that or people are going to finally just stop loaning us money to pull off this ridiculous shit.

The DEA is by no means innocent. I would agree that US drug policy influences the heavy handed enforcement undertaken by many countries, but I stand by my statement that regardless of the DEA actually being present in Central and South America, their police agencies would still be draconian and brutal... it is just the nature of developing countries, the vast majority of them have serious issues with police brutality and judicial corruption.
 
makes me sick to my stomach
WTF are us agents doing in honduras - we've got bigger problems on the home front we don't need anymore scandals in latin america
 
The DEA is by no means innocent. I would agree that US drug policy influences the heavy handed enforcement undertaken by many countries, but I stand by my statement that regardless of the DEA actually being present in Central and South America, their police agencies would still be draconian and brutal... it is just the nature of developing countries, the vast majority of them have serious issues with police brutality and judicial corruption.

But what is your point here? This is an issue that is getting attention because the DEA was involved, and likely under the auspices of intercepting drugs headed for the USA. You are speaking of what could happen, not what did happen. Do you realize how much "aid" the US sends these places in exchange for such, and the sorts of sanctions we levy if they refuse? They are pretty much forced into doing what the US says.
 
The only reason the DEA operate there is so that they can gain control of the market.
 
I wonder how much money we are spending on shit like this?

Coke is easier to get today than it was in the fucking 80s. DEA FAIL
 
This happens every day all over latin america, unfortunately %99 percent of these cases go unreported or are covered up. These people may have been innocent or they may not have been but basicly the DEA approach is shoot,bomb and dont ask questions....unfortunately in most latin american countrys the governments allow this to happen because they rely on the economic support from the US and therefore help the DEA cover up the many innocent people they kill.
 
The only reason the DEA operate there is so that they can gain control of the market.

I have to agree with this. I have long since suspected that the U.S. government is directly benefiting financially from the drug trade, while also employing vast numbers of law enforcement for the legalistic side. Economically, it's win-win for them on either side.

It's the only theory that makes sense for why the war on drugs continues.
 
I have to agree with this. I have long since suspected that the U.S. government is directly benefiting financially from the drug trade, while also employing vast numbers of law enforcement for the legalistic side. Economically, it's win-win for them on either side.

It's the only theory that makes sense for why the war on drugs continues.

The war on drugs does not really benefit the US, do you know how much money is spent annually fighting the war on drugs? There is no answer to any theory, why does the war on drugs continue? Ignorance and stubbornness, off course coruption plays a big role too but forget the conspiracy theorys.
 
I wonder how much money we are spending on shit like this?

In 2013, 2 billion dollars. Most of which goes to private security corporations like Dyncorp and Lockheed Martin. Here's a partial breakdown from whitehouse.gov:

NSFW:
United States Agency for International Development (USAID)
Department of State: $179.1 million
(Reflects $104.2 million decrease from FY 2012)
The FY 2013 request will focus on efforts to disrupt the market for illegal drugs through alternative development programs in the Andean Region. In Afghanistan, USAID will continue to focus on reducing the production of illegal crops by promoting alternative livelihoods programs. The majority of the decreased funding in FY2013 is in Afghanistan, and is due to a shift away from stabilization‐ and staple crop‐focused alternative development programs to those more closely integrating stabilization, alternative development, and market‐led agricultural development objectives. The decrease also is due to the ability of the Government of Colombia to support many alternative development programs themselves in the Andean Region.

Colombia
Department of State/INL: $114.0 million
(Reflects $16.4 million decrease from FY 2012)
The United States will continue supporting Colombian‐led interdiction and eradication efforts as the Colombian Government works to implement its National Consolidation Plan. Additional support will expand local drug prevention programs and enhance the Colombian National Police’s capability to maintain a security presence in former conflict and drug trafficking regions while expanding access to state institutions and services in these regions. Much of the decrease in the FY 2013 request is due to the successful nationalization of the Colombian Army Aviation and Counterdrug Brigade programs in FY 2012, which resulted in no request for funding in FY 2013.

Mexico
Department of State/INL: $55.0 million
(Reflects $12.0 million decrease from FY 2012)
In FY 2013, support will continue to include counternarcotics, law enforcement, and demand reduction initiatives in an effort to dismantle drug trafficking and other criminal organizations, and strengthen justice sector institutions while expanding their capacity to attack and deter crime affecting the United States, especially along our shared border. The reduction in counternarcotics funding is due to the successful maturation of programs that will become the responsibility of the Government of Mexico.

Caribbean Basin Security Initiative
Department of State/INL: $11.5 million
(Reflects $6.3 million decrease from FY 2012)
The FY 2013 request will include support for law enforcement professionalization and capacity building, as well as interdiction operations. Other priorities include rule of law initiatives and enhancements in the judicial process. The decrease in funding in FY 2013 is attributed to a focus on training and capacity building for law enforcement and less emphasis on logistical support and equipment.

Central America Regional Security Initiative (CARSI)
Department of State/INL: $14.0 million
(Reflects $4.8 million decrease from FY 2012)
The FY 2013 request will be used to combat international drug trafficking in Central America. In addition, support will be provided to assist law enforcement and justice sector capacity building and prevention programs. The decrease is attributed to the end of funding for the aviation program in Guatemala, as the 4‐year program ended in FY 2012.

Afghanistan and Central Asia
Department of State/Department of Defense: $653.3 million
(Reflects $72.5 million increase over FY 2012)
U.S. efforts in Afghanistan and Central Asia, provided by the Departments of State and Defense, will focus on interdiction, justice reform, and law enforcement capacity building efforts, as well as building the capacity of the Afghan government so it can independently support counternarcotics activities. Funding also will support reducing the supply of illicit crops through the Afghan Governor‐led eradication and the Good Performers Initiative programs, and providing demand reduction efforts. The majority of the increase in drug control funding in FY 2013 is attributed to increased requirements to support the Counternarcotics Police of Afghanistan and the work of the DEA in Afghanistan.
 
But what is your point here? This is an issue that is getting attention because the DEA was involved, and likely under the auspices of intercepting drugs headed for the USA. You are speaking of what could happen, not what did happen. Do you realize how much "aid" the US sends these places in exchange for such, and the sorts of sanctions we levy if they refuse? They are pretty much forced into doing what the US says.

My point is that incidents like these happen every fucking day, all throughout Latin America, Asian, Eastern Europe and Africa, and no gives a flying fuck until the DEA or some other Western nation's agents or officers are caught red handed as being involved. Simply removing the DEA is not itself really a solution to the problem of unethical police conduct in the nations.
 
In 2013, 2 billion dollars. Most of which goes to private security corporations like Dyncorp and Lockheed Martin.

DynCorp sounds like a company out of a cyberpunk story. (Not just the name I mean, what they do as well)
 
My point is that incidents like these happen every fucking day, all throughout Latin America, Asian, Eastern Europe and Africa, and no gives a flying fuck until the DEA or some other Western nation's agents or officers are caught red handed as being involved. Simply removing the DEA is not itself really a solution to the problem of unethical police conduct in the nations.

But don't you see the difference? Sure, fucked shit happens all the time, but it's a little different when the USA is mucking about in the goings on of a sovereign nation. There is some culpability there, to say the least. Sure, we can't cry over every pint of milk that is spilled the world round, but when that milk isn't spilled but forcibly knocked over by representatives from another country with loss of life it achieves a little more significance, no?
 
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