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Homeless people in the U.S.

captainballs

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Have you ever tried to stereotype the mindset of the people on the street who are just fucked up, begging, and seem to be living in a world beyond the margin? I have, and I haven't quite found one common thread, as some of these people have severe mental problems, some are just garden-variety psychopaths who have ruined everything they touched and now have nothing, and some seem to be too innocent and childlike to successfully fight for themselves.

One thing I have noticed in many of them is that their faces, which might be wrinkled and worn, still carry this whimsical, child-like look.

Thoughts?
 
Or they could simply be vagabonds taking what ever good grace life bestows. After all life is a personal journey of self discovery. Socrates was homeless too. Always thinking, he didn't have time to work.
 
Today I saw a girl sitting on the street, begging. She was quite handsome. I wanted to say to her (but of course didn't): why aren't you doing tricks or porn to live? I know I know, it's a sin. But still, that's what I would do if I was her (I'm a male, btw, so girls, don't attack me please).
 
When I was younger I would also think about the homeless- how and why they came to be the way they are. I remember a set of homeless twins, both old men, where one was a fierce and petty criminal (he would rob people at knife point and harasses passerbys). While the other (his name was angle) never got into any disputes or behaved violently to anyone. So its interesting to see two people who are practically have the same up bringing, and both are homeless, yet one is more violent then the other. Makes you wonder about genes and environmental interactions; epigenetics.
 
Have you ever tried to stereotype the mindset of the people on the street who are just fucked up, begging, and seem to be living in a world beyond the margin? I have, and I haven't quite found one common thread, as some of these people have severe mental problems, some are just garden-variety psychopaths who have ruined everything they touched and now have nothing, and some seem to be too innocent and childlike to successfully fight for themselves.

One thing I have noticed in many of them is that their faces, which might be wrinkled and worn, still carry this whimsical, child-like look.

Thoughts?

I have spent much of the last two years researching the homeless. The majority has been literature research although last summer I spent a couple of months actually interviewing a few homeless people.

My Master's research is focused on homeless musicians - homeless people who play music for income. So the population I study has their shit together for the most part. I could detect no mental illness or major personality disorders in my research subjects.

Now that I've said all that, I have witnessed plenty of street people with these problems and cannot say whether there is a common thread tying them all together. Each individual has his or her own unique set of life experiences that sets them apart from other people. Just like the rest of us, many of these people may not enjoy being where they are in life but they can often still find something to smile about.

Here is an interesting article by an anthropologist who has studied homeless mentally ill people in a Boston shelter:

Robert Desjarlais - Struggling Along
 
^ That's a very interesting paper, Jerry Atrick. I wonder, though about the relationship between the worldview Desjarlais describes and diagnosable mental illness. My first instinct was to ask, must one also be mentally ill, and not only homeless, to have the tactile, profoundly present-oriented way of relating to the world that the paper describes? But then I wonder if this is the wrong question. What I might instead want to ask is, which is the chicken and which is the egg? Does living one's life as a disjointed set of episodic struggles to survive (instead of a cohesive life story with a beginning, middle, and end) make one mentally ill, or vice versa?

I have a semi-perverse fascination with transience as a way of life, and what transients have to teach us about the human condition. I think there is a long forgotten or oft ignored wisdom among long time street people, and indeed among any people who have, and foresee, no need for a permanent home. For them, the transience of all human life, of all forms, was never any big secret, never something to paper over with tales of prophecy or collective historical narratives of glory. Transient people have no history. They have no need for history. Securing what they need to get by right here right now takes all of their inner resources, and colors every interaction they have with anyone or anything.

I think there was probably a time in prehistory when most or all human beings lived in an environment and cultivated a mindset of drifting and shifting expediencies similar to what street people have today. There is something atavistic about taking to the streets. It must be patently obvious to anyone who has ever fallen through the cracks of polite society and ended up a drifter that most of what we call "culture", that is, our ways to find places for ourselves in a larger story, is wholly a product of no one having to worry about any of their base survival needs. Rich cultures with rich, elaborate collective fantasies only arise among peoples where everyone has plenty.

I've known friends of friends who've decided to hit the road without any money, surviving on their wits and a bit of luck, to see how far across the country they could get. They made it coast to coast, but they said it completely changed the way they view the world and their place in it. It forced them to become incredibly present-oriented, and all their interactions with other people very purpose-driven. It sharpened all of their senses acutely, and helped them learn to savor every little good thing that came their way. They learned to take nothing for granted. They learned to see and appreciate things simply for what they were and were useful for, not what they symbolized or what ideals they stood for.

They recommended the experience to anyone.
 
Becoming homeless can happen to anyone, now more than ever with the economy being so fragile and unpredictable. All it takes is a couple of bad things to happen in a row and no one to support you afterwards. There are stories of people losing a big house, car, job, ending up with nothing.. and then making it all back again. Some are vet's who've been forgotten by the system that they fought to protect. Some have a mental illness. There are so many different stories.

The real question is why are we living in an era where this can still happen. Why do we waste billions on war, making millions more homeless in other nations, instead of helping the homeless in our own nation. Why does the media never discuss the issue. Why do politicians never promise to help the homeless. The answer to all those questions is connected and it will open your mind forever.
 
I had a homeless girlfriend once, it was good because after you had taken her out you could just drop her off anywhere.
 
Last summer I had a great conversation with a homeless guy. He had obvious issues, but he also had his PhD in philosophy and had so much to talk about. I don't think we can paint all homeless people with the same broad brush. Yes, most probably end up there because of addictions, mental illness, or falling through the cracks because they lacked a support network; but I would say, more controversially, that some are homeless by choice. I've been homeless before - not for long, but I was - and I know a lot of people who are either actively fighting this system or refuse to participate in it. One way to rebel is to be homeless. Don't work, don't pay taxes, don't partake in the madness. There are a lot of very sane homeless people out there. If I lived in a warmer climate, I'd consider it.
 
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