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History Of The Bible, Accuracy Etc.

Originally posted by SoHiAllTheTime
God doesnt make robots. We all have free will.


right, which brings us back to the puzzle of why many of those with faith blame themselves for their failures yet choose to credit god with their successes.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
Originally posted by SoHiAllTheTime
God doesnt make robots. We all have free will.


right, which brings us back to the puzzle of why many of those with faith blame themselves for their failures yet choose to credit god with their successes.

alasdair
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It's part of the programming
 
Christian soldier said:
I think i have free-will therefore i have
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So merely thinking something proves its existence and relative truth? In that case, Christianity makes complete sense...

Psychnonaut777 said:
God didn't force the man's hand, but He is capable of seeing the actions of the future..
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God doesn't have to force anything. If you can see the future, then the future won't change, right? If the future won't change, then that means it's going to happen no matter what, right? If it's going to happen no matter what, then do you really have any choice? Other than to let the future happen.

I should know better than to argue with you, Psychonaut, about free will. You never make an argument and explain it.

Also, it doesn't matter what Jesus says. He knows Judas will be the one to betray him. Please, unless Jesus is making an educated guess, explain how Judas has choice if he's going to do something no matter what.

Christian Soldier: Isn't some of that what most people say? That we're a part of God, we're molded in the figure of God, or some sort of reasoning like that?

When you say "our" perspective, who's perspective are you talking about? The hardcore Christian perspective? Mahan states that there is no omnipotent God and that there must be evil for there to be good. Yet, so many of "you" preach that there was all good when God was around, and Satan created the evil in the world.

I can understand God being the playwrite and writing up the characters and setting and nothing else, but that's where the playwriting stops, so he's really NOT a playwrite.

"At one level (the deep collective unconscious), the intelligence is aware of all this, but at another level (the individual ego), it creates the illusion of separateness by forcing us to "forget" the divine source from which we've sprung."

Quick question. Is this just all made up in Mahan's head? Or is there some reasoning behind it.

Mahan is not explaining the Christian God, Christian Soldier, so no, I don't understand where you're coming from.
 
He gives and takes away

Which brings us back to the puzzle of why many of those with faith blame themselves for their failures yet choose to credit god with their successes.

To get to the nitty gritty of it, God is the cause of all our successes and our failures. Whether you acknowledge it or not, everything in existence was created by Him, for Him, and revolves around Him. He's got a will for each and every one of our lives, and we have free will to actively pursue His will, or seek our own identity in the ways of the world.

I have blamed God for a brutal injury that thwarted my bid to play professional sports. I cried about it and wallered in self-pity for many years, polydrugged myself into the ozone, and seriously wanted to die, having nothing to live for since I couldn't play pro sports.

It took me 16 years to realize that God had a better plan for my life than playing pro ball. He doesn't always give us what we want (yeah, we fail), because He knows whats best for us better than we do.
 
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sexyanon said:
So merely thinking something proves its existence and relative truth? In that case, Christianity makes complete sense...
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hehe sneaky.. you didn't include my ;), sorry but it's more complicated then that
 
Please explain inquiring minds need to know. We are hear to listen, and learn.

Please don't let my personal skepticism discourage you.
 
^I think you are being rude...You ask for an answer and he gave you one and then you roll your eyes at him? Nice. Maybe him saying "whether you acknoledge or not" is something you certainly dont agree with. But why choose those few words to roll your eyes at and ignore the rest?
 
SoHiAllTheTime said:
^I think you are being rude...You ask for an answer and he gave you one and then you roll your eyes at him? Nice. Maybe him saying "whether you acknoledge or not" is something you certainly dont agree with. But why choose those few words to roll your eyes at and ignore the rest?
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I think it's because this type of discussion is just so typical,expected and overdone. Rarely is something said beyond the thoughts of "My god is the real one" without having anything really constructive to add. Sure there are exceptions but relatively few.

As alasdair said
"my deity is better than yours, no my deity is better than yours, no my deity is better than yours, etc...."
 
SoHi, do you think giving reasons rather than just statements might do some good? It would help placate ignorant non-Christians such as myself and yougene (if he is, that is).
 
choose your battles

i propose that if you had used faith, and it hadn't worked out, you would have kept it to yourself because 'that's not how faith works'. again, it's all just a bit convenient.

not nearly as convenient as you putting words into my mouth regarding something that hasn't happened!

because if they do they're not 'truly devoted'? how convenient...

By truly devoted, I am referring to a person who is in tune with the Holy Spirit and actively applying the teachings of Christ in their life. This person will not find themselves in the position you described.

The scene you depicted was about someone out of work for 3 years giving hand jobs for crack; this is a loaded scenario. The person is in bondage to a drug addiction (a stronghold), performing sexual acts to feed the habit. You can't be walking with Christ and at the same time still be enslaved to those strongholds!

Now I hope this raises some thoughts about people who call themselves Christians who are caught up in such strongholds. When they accept Christ, they get their ticket to heaven, but unfortunately that's all the effort they put into it. They wear Christianity on their sleeves, like a letterman's jacket.

There is a difference between believing and following. Believing, "yeah, I believe, gimme my ticket to heaven", or following by actually applying Christ's teachings to your everyday life. Forgiving your enemies, treating others as you want to be treated, trusting God to provide for you for today, not judging others... this stuff is spiritual, emotional, and mental gold when applied to your life.
 
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