Hip-hop's addiction to crack

people can be ignorant too tho, i mean people who think crack rap should be banned for bad messages, well then what about marlyn manson and shit like that telling you to kill yourself? cash money records all day..
 
^ Those lyrics look like they couldn't have come from anybody else other than Ali-G.

And while MDMA is more profitable, it is not as addictive as crack cocaine. A crackhead will come back to you with every penny he has, all day long. Most people buying rolls buy a few and usually won't come back for at least a week. Crack is everyday all day money.
 
at the risk of sounding like i claim to know things that i really dont,

most of this thread sounds like a bunch of middle-class white kids discussing what they see to be the merit or drawbacks of a genre of music.

sure, props to all the "conscious" artists out there trying to rise above, and i do agree that there is a gaudy degree of inanity in "crack rap," but i think alot of people are missing the point.

its not about whether the radio will continue to carry this brand of music or not or some other pointless shit. contrary to what that one cat above said about people not emulating the godfather or whatever, people do emulate this stuff.

this is PRECISELY about emulation. and circumstance. we white kids, even those who know about our past, are extraordinarily disconnected from the past. in american ghettos, even though people may know less about history, people are living in the product of it. White kids now measure time through technology and music and things "in touch" with now, but are poor indicators of on-the-ground results of history. In the hood time works differently, its connected to events in the past that leave very real imprints on the present.

people ABSOLUTELY emulate what music like this talks about. in the hood, kids deal drugs. they can make hundreds of dollars an hour. but, as much as we might worry that kids will do what the music talks about, the music is doing what the kids talk about.

as a result of things that have happened in the past 30 or so years, in the ghetto, to get out of the ghetto, the only people who are percieved as successful are cats who make it out through sports or crime. and in reality, what other ways out are there?

you don't like the music thats coming out? then start wondering about what it is that happened in the hood that would produce something like this.

i'm glad there are artists waxing poetic about what's wrong with the hood, but theres a huge difference between that music having an effect, and actually walking down the street in any american city and seeing with your own eyes, putting yourself into a position to talk to people who live this life and realizing REALLY the breadth of the situation.

the fact that this message board exists and has people talking about this stuff on it is testament to the fucking enormous disconnect between right here and whats probably within 20 minutes of most of our houses.

i dont know, i guess my point is that while i think rappers can be pretty fucking stupid and theyre often soldout miscreants, unless whiteboys is going to march in and and throw up some nice, cushy tech-industry jobs and throw open to the doors to the hood, i don't think people in the hood are misguided in worshipping drug profits as pragmatic rebellion. only in selling out to corporate whiteboys.
 
I like it.
Its genocidal.
Every little nigger wants to be 50 cent.
DO it kids. Sell crack and shoot each other. fuck it.
Why work when you can sell crack and collect welfare.
 
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hahaha.
I remember that Canadian rapper Snow.
http://www.animationshops.com/images/products/small/img_2450.jpg

I don't see why this guy's shirts are banned in schools.
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snowman=dude who deals coke, thus schools didnt want any type of message that can be anywhere closely related to a drug, let alone such a harmful and addictive drug as coke, thats why the shirts were banned.

the rapper said its no where closely related to coke, but in almost all of his songs ive got he says shit about being the snowman and dealin shit all gotdamn day. dipset all fucking day over him thats the real talk.
 
Endless Night said:
*cough* theres more profit in selling rolls *cough*
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this really is not true. cocaine is time-tested and is obviously the most profitable drug to slang. not that I would know, but just look at the users of it and their habits.
 
Jamshyd said:
Glad I brought snow to the discussion... but no one has volunteered to explain to me what a "licky boom boom down" is yet :( =D
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Tbh it makes me cringe everytime i try to explain it...:( :D
 
arcarsenal said:
at the risk of sounding like i claim to know things that i really dont,

most of this thread sounds like a bunch of middle-class white kids discussing what they see to be the merit or drawbacks of a genre of music.

sure, props to all the "conscious" artists out there trying to rise above, and i do agree that there is a gaudy degree of inanity in "crack rap," but i think alot of people are missing the point.

its not about whether the radio will continue to carry this brand of music or not or some other pointless shit. contrary to what that one cat above said about people not emulating the godfather or whatever, people do emulate this stuff.

this is PRECISELY about emulation. and circumstance. we white kids, even those who know about our past, are extraordinarily disconnected from the past. in american ghettos, even though people may know less about history, people are living in the product of it. White kids now measure time through technology and music and things "in touch" with now, but are poor indicators of on-the-ground results of history. In the hood time works differently, its connected to events in the past that leave very real imprints on the present.

people ABSOLUTELY emulate what music like this talks about. in the hood, kids deal drugs. they can make hundreds of dollars an hour. but, as much as we might worry that kids will do what the music talks about, the music is doing what the kids talk about.

as a result of things that have happened in the past 30 or so years, in the ghetto, to get out of the ghetto, the only people who are percieved as successful are cats who make it out through sports or crime. and in reality, what other ways out are there?

you don't like the music thats coming out? then start wondering about what it is that happened in the hood that would produce something like this.

i'm glad there are artists waxing poetic about what's wrong with the hood, but theres a huge difference between that music having an effect, and actually walking down the street in any american city and seeing with your own eyes, putting yourself into a position to talk to people who live this life and realizing REALLY the breadth of the situation.

the fact that this message board exists and has people talking about this stuff on it is testament to the fucking enormous disconnect between right here and whats probably within 20 minutes of most of our houses.

i dont know, i guess my point is that while i think rappers can be pretty fucking stupid and theyre often soldout miscreants, unless whiteboys is going to march in and and throw up some nice, cushy tech-industry jobs and throw open to the doors to the hood, i don't think people in the hood are misguided in worshipping drug profits as pragmatic rebellion. only in selling out to corporate whiteboys.
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Bro...thats a pretty interesting perspective to consider...i never really thought about it like that before, props!
 
This is something i've been telling alot of people when it comes to this 'Crack Rap, Crunk Music, Snap Music, Southern Rap' bullshit. This isn't real hip-hop. Hip-hop is a genre that includes only a select few in the mainstream community. All this other bullshit you hear on the radio and even in alot of other places that claim to be 'hip-hop' are simply hip-hop derivatives that altered the way the music sounded but kept is simlar enough to be classified in a larger umbrella while still reaching the same fan base. This way all these mother fuckers can advertise on stations like BET, MTV and a few others. Crack rap could not have possibly killed hip-hop because it's not hip-hop to begin with. Hip-hop is no longer a regional thing, hip-hop is the original art form that spawned quite a few other similar genre's. If you need it broken down for you in baby steps here's a comparison: Jazz has subgroups such as, Smooth Jazz, Modern Jazz, Latin Jazz (so on so forth) each with their own distinct and unique sound that seperated them from the original. Hip-hop has simply undergone a change that nearly all other genre's of music have already been through, they have been globalized and commercialized to the point that it needs to be classified under different subgroups in order to distinguish the difference between all the similar sounding music there is out there.


Sorry for the rant but it's something I had to discuss before I spoke more about the article. I don't believe crack and coke were a foundation for hip-hop, in all honestly everyone pretends to know where hip-hop came from when in reality it's not about who first made it. It's about a movement, a cultural shift of feeling and expression. No one person can possibly take responsibilty for the birth of any art-form, hip-hop is no different. Even assuming that hip-hop was started because of the struggle in the ghetto's of New York is almost absurd considering how long similar forms of music have been around. This was happening all over the United States in general. People were pissed off at the government and poverty on a national scale in general. When people are pissed they express themselves in many different ways but ultimately it ends up being heard by the masses in an entertaining art form, whether it's painting, movies, or music. Every significant social struggle and uprising has some type of music themed with it. I'm not denying crack is mentioned ALOT througout rap music because it is. So much so I won't even listen to that form of rap. But the media makes it seem like rap music was founded on crack rap and that it was so prevalant and successful solely off the fact that alot of its lyrics were based on a popular drug. I believe hip-hop is where it is today because of it's ability to express emotion in any way it sees fit, whether it be complex or simple. I also don't believe alot of the people who hear or buy this music use the drugs the songs refer to. I believe people listen to it because other people listen to it and they share the same feelings and opinions the others experience when they hear this type of music. If you've never noticed even if you're sober (yea right) you sometimes feel like being at a club or getting drunk or partying when you hear this genre of rap. The rappers aren't talking about how crack ruined their neighborhoods and destroyed their homes, families, and lives. They're talking about going to the club, getting fucked up, drug dealing, wasting money, and having a good time. Very rarely do you hear a 'crack rapper' talk about how its devastating everything around them but they are profiting from it, and most of the time they don't even live the lives they speak of they only do it for the money and the fans. There's alot more in this article that I completely disagree with but i'll stop the madness while im ahead. ;)
 
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MachineGunBallad said:
the same way you don't watch Good Fellas or the Godfather and become inspired to be a mobster.
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What? Are you crazy? Everyone wants to be a mobster after watching those movies.
 
I don't believe crack and coke were a foundation for hip-hop, in all honestly everyone pretends to know where hip-hop came from when in reality it's not about who first made it. It's about a movement, a cultural shift of feeling and expression. No one person can possibly take responsibilty for the birth of any art-form, hip-hop is no different.
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well said sir. well said.

btw, food & liquor - lupe fiasco, check it out.
 
^I've heard it. Not impressed. Just another exploited child in the game with a catchy hook to fuel his credibility. I'm not saying you can't enjoy it or it's wrong to, i'm just saying in my opinion it's more mainstream rap to add to the roster of already fake money hungry artists. Hip-hop is a genre reserved for an elite few, very few emulate the behavior and art of real hip-hop artists.


Coolio said:
What? Are you crazy? Everyone wants to be a mobster after watching those movies.
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I agree^ People emulate what they see on TV, music, and movies. It's just a fact of life. People need to learn to educate themselves and form their own opinions though, instead of latching on to other's opinions because they're too lazy to develop their own.
 
Say goodnight to the bad guy

Isn't funny how EVERY rapper has Scar Face playing on thier tv's when they're on "Cribs"??? Or how they have some kind of Scar Face memrobielia,clothing,ect..
It's some kind of sick obsession...
 
I see your point partially realm, and I really wasnt trying to include lupe into the hip-hop genre, just saying check him out. But I dont think he is entirely like most artists out today, maybe not full on hip-hop, but definatly one of the closer things to it out on the radio/tv/mainstream today.
 
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