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Hey guys i need some statistical advice please(and i swear it aint about codeine!!)

Ganjcat

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So I will cut to the chase I have been giving negative piss tests with my methadone doctor etc and got put on take homes so from now on I don't have to take my dose in front of the pharmacist and they give me 2 days worth in the week and on Friday they give me 3 until next monday... Pretty fucking sweet I tell you lol

anyway the thing was I never actually stopped using completely and now that I finally no longer had to take it in front of the pharmacist I could choose not to have it and just have h instead which is what I have been doing however I must add that I have, at this point been on methadone for a very very long time now.. Well actually tbh I still don't even come close to the 20 year veteran but to be completely honest apart from 1 time I managed to quit for longer than a week, which I beleive(my memory is so terrible these days)it was nearly a whole month I think I told everyone it was a month to sound impressive but I think it was just like 22 days or something.

so apart from that I have been taking opiates from the age of 16/17-19 recreationally and from 19 to my current age (which is 26) I began taking them daily and never fucking stopped I was working it out the other day believe me I am not proud of this in fact the opposite I have no illusions about drugs anymore I know that they are no good that's all I will say anyway the reason I am mentioning this is because it relates to my tolerance and the last year or two(the last year especially) my tolerance really has caught up with me I went from 60ml to 80ml a few months back, it don't sound like much of an increase but anyone who is on methadone would agree I should think.. The thing was I didn't realise how bad my tolerance was until I got put up to 80ml I suffered the old illusion of opiates where you think your only in the maze a little bit but then find yourself in the centre lost with no end in sight.


I can actually remember that day where I realised how much my tolerance had increase it was my first dose since going to 80ml I had only requested it to try and get the buzz back but when I had it it did give me a buzz and a good buzz but the buzz mainly wasn't a normal buzz it was that I've been in down low minor withdrawals for a long time and now I've actually had enough to get well that's when I realised that I had been in minor withdrawal for weeks or more when I was on the 60ml anyway going from that point to a bit closer to this point where I'm at now I am now so dependant on the methadone that even if I have gear even if it's the strongest tt fire dark, I know I still won't feel 100% unless I also have methadone in me I can't even enjoy gear fully anymore unless I've had methadone to.. That's how much I'm dependant on it now I'm sure I've been on it,daily for 3 or more years now maybe 4 I'm not sure but yeah.

And this is where me being on telephone comes in as I have cut down on the meth quickly but comfortably as I can take it when I want what I like best to is I can take half to three quarters of my dose and have the rest at bedtime now I have ended up having about half my dose(40ml) more and more the last few week I was selling my methadone at £10\80ml had a good side bit going on but they're apparently on subs now but I have extra methadone so yeh anyway before I ask my question I just wanna say when I began to write this I was worrying I might od because I just had a little zip out of methadone and smoking h all night but felt proper fucked with slow breathing etc way to strong for what I took and then I remember I had already took 40ml a couple hours before... However the feeling has past and I am still here and breathing(for now)so it all good but I still am concerned about how much my tolerance could have potentially dropped as I have been on my takehomes for a while now some days I don't even have more than 20ml but only if I'm really fucked my experiences with my tolerance to methadone has been inconsistent at first when I started messing with my doses 40ml wasn't holding me so I would it possible(I hadn't sold it)I would top up but now 40no or just over hold my fine weather I'm smoking h on top or not.

.....THIS IS IMPORTANT...... if I fail a piss test I will probably be put back on supervised doses which mean I will HAVE TO DRINK THE WHOLE 80ML in front of them and the chemist who serves me is way onto the old hold it in your mouth trick although I could probably get away with it once or twice they will say something or start straight up making me prove I've swallowed it they used to do that before..

Obviously I am very worried that if I have the 80ml it could be fatal one day because of my reduced tolerance, especially if I've had some strong h and sleeping pills on top etc so I need to know this guys please.. Thank you


look guys I know I can "use the search function" or go on Google or something but I just want some.honest answer and the experiences of other users who have been on and off and on methadone and what is your opinion about my methadone usage and most importantly how dangerous could it be.. What I'm asking is how long would it take for 80ml to become a fatal dose if I keep doing this.. Or is that just an unrealistic that could happen so I'm safe and I'm just overthinking and worrying about nothing? I've been on it a good few years now atleast.. but I know there's plenty of people who have been on the 'liquid handcuffs' for decades and it you have been on it that long you must know it inside out of that's the case and your reading this I would just ask that you please just take 2 minutes to give me your 2 cents just so I ain't gotta worry cus I know where the danger level is.
 
Ahh 26….I’m 36, and let me tell you something buddy…. one day, a lot sooner then you think, you will be 36 and you’ll be saying to yourself “fuck, where did the time go” and then the terrifying thought that before you know it you will be 46 and still an addict….I guess what I’m trying to say is your still young, but you won’t be forever, get off this shit now and you’ll be much happier
 
Ahh 26….I’m 36, and let me tell you something buddy…. one day, a lot sooner then you think, you will be 36 and you’ll be saying to yourself “fuck, where did the time go” and then the terrifying thought that before you know it you will be 46 and still an addict….I guess what I’m trying to say is your still young, but you won’t be forever, get off this shit now and you’ll be much happier
I'M ALREADY SAYING FUCK WHERE DID THE TIME GO. PAL.
 
Methadone is about half the potency of morphine - it's not THAT potent. But it's duration means that over a few days to weeks, the level in your blood will keep averaging up even if you only take it once a day. So 80mL is going to wind up like having half £10 bag in you all the time. That is why methadone is often considered more addictive (or dependence forming) than most other opioids... but it's cheap.

It's also not 100% cross-tolerant with heroin so the mixture ('both barrels' to use the Manchester term) is unpredictable. Don't inject, don't use alone, have naloxone and make sure everyone knows where is is and how to administer.

FYI a friend of mine got from 120mg to nothing over 18 months. I was really proud of him. So it CAN be done.
 
Methadone is about half the potency of morphine - it's not THAT potent. But it's duration means that over a few days to weeks, the level in your blood will keep averaging up even if you only take it once a day. So 80mL is going to wind up like having half £10 bag in you all the time. That is why methadone is often considered more addictive (or dependence forming) than most other opioids... but it's cheap.

It's also not 100% cross-tolerant with heroin so the mixture ('both barrels' to use the Manchester term) is unpredictable. Don't inject, don't use alone, have naloxone and make sure everyone knows where is is and how to administer.

FYI a friend of mine got from 120mg to nothing over 18 months. I was really proud of him. So it CAN be done.
First off thanks for the replies mate I really appreciate it bro

You know what mate I don't even. Think my tolerance has dropped as much as I thought because I had about 35-50 no today and it basically kept my just out of any noticeable withdrawal symptoms(except a touch of diareah) anyway I am still concerned that when I inevitibly get put back on supervised doses (where I will have to down the whole 80ml) supervised and they even double check that I swallow it so I have no choice but to comply.. And this will be the first time I've had a full all in one 80ml dose for weeks(I think it's coming close to a month now) my dose has usually been between 20-40 ml on most days in combination with the gear( I would rather not take any meth with my gear but I am so physically dependant on the juice now I don't have a choice gear just ain't worth it if I ain't had my meth that day.. I mean if I only have gear then it's no question..but I will still feel irritable lingering withdrawals even if I smoke tons and tons of gear until I'm nodding I still feel them that's when I realised I was seriously hooked on the meth..

My question to you is mate do you think I will be 100% safe going straight back to 80ml?

And also is a methadone overdose very similar to a heroin overdose..I imagine it's gradual and you probably nod off and die before you even realise what's happening?(btw he never went into retail about it but my dad's cousin fatally overdosed on methadone)
 
If you do not use any gear then I don't think 80ml (I presume 80mg - it's green you get, right? Not blue?) will put you in danger. It's still a good idea to have naloxone to hand and to be around people who can help you if things go wrong.

Obviously avoid any other kind of downer. Loperamide will help with some 'issues' due to the rattle.

Methadone overdose can occur hours after ingestion. When taken orally the peak blood concentration is achieved at 3.5-5.5 hours after ingestion. THAT is why street methadone can be so dangerous. People feel good, go home, maybe have a smoke... fall asleep and don't wake up. Due to it's duration, people treated with naloxone can go back into overdose (naloxone only works for 20 minutes or so) so even if someone comes round, you either need several yellow boxes OR you have to get them to hospital.

Of course, you and I both know that methadone is just about the most dependence forming drug known so I don't blame you for avoiding it. But you may be in the range of being able to take buprenorphine (Subutex/Suboxone). But I notice that buprenorphine implants are becoming more common. That's a bit worrying because how do you reduce? I think it's meant for people who can't or won't manage without an opioid.

My advice is to get clean as fast as you can. I keep a close eye on drug services and everywhere their are fewer and fewer resources. If you keep reducing your methadone dosage (talk yo your drug service worker) then they are more likely to give you take homes. In this town VERY few people get 80mg/day. If you can go to them with a plan, they will generally work with you.
 
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