Heroin question

[AutonomousOwl]

Hi,

I want a few subjective opinions on this one. I have always thought myself to have a bit of a natural tolerance. I don't think I have a acquired tolerance to opiates. I've done H, Fentanyl and Codeine a total of five times in the past 3 months. However, I never seem to get the nod I want.. I was talking to other people about it with Oxy I couldn't catch a nod even at high doses.

Even with H. I happened to get it at such a place where I could view reviews etc and a lot of people who tried it says it is way better than street stuff in the UK. It is normal brown (dissolve in citric). I thought from IVing 75-85mg I would see a nice high. I didn't want to go to high (and maybe this is too high for some people, so I am NOT condoning this dose) and thought I'd catch a nod from it. First time I've used Opiates in ~2 weeks. (used H a few times two weeks ago. Yet from that dose, of supposedly high quality H (to which friends have attested to) I got a tiny bit high, flushed and a tiny bit itchy. No real euphoria to speak of.

A few months ago I smoked quite a lot. and I didn't catch a proper nod at all. I feel a bit high, that's it. I want to be really euphoric :s

I don't want to risk respiratory depression, overdose and subsequent death with high doses though.

Everyone recommends a starter dose of <100mg I don't know what's going on, because I am sure it's not weak stuff!

PS - I know Heroin is an absolute road to nowhere etc. I just indulge in drugs occasionally. Always have. I am well aware it can grip you, ruin your life etc. and it is generally a shit plan.

Add: Also I am guessing the CNS depressant effects are cumulative? I.E. If I was to redose an hour after a 75mg hit, I wonder what sort of suppression that would cause

 

[RedLeader]

The most straightforward answers probably will be along the lines of "do more" or "mix it with this," but this is dangerous and isn't exactly in the spirit of harm-reduction. So I'll try and answer this a bit differently. When you really want to nod, you end up putting a lot pressure on yourself and it can form a resistance against the nod as it keeps you kind of alert and antsy.

So instead of changing up your dose, try to adjust your mindset so that the nod can essentially come over you easier. Do you know how to meditate? Dim the lights, put on some relaxing music and just try and calm your mind down. Don't think about trying to nod, but instead just try and feel relaxed and at peace. Think about something completely separate from your day, like a vacation you once took or a hobby that you miss. I also find that the nods come on easier when I'm tired, so maybe schedule your high so that you're tired and your body is worn-out already. A good workout followed by a shower as the opiate kicks in, and then relax under a blanket as you let your mind drift away in a state like I just described.

I never nod when I try and aggressively force it to happen. Instead, I go into it thinking that if I don't exactly nod, I can still get a relaxing opiate experience as I set the stage for everything being safe if I do nod. Nodding is almost like sleeping, in that there is a comfortable gray area between nodding and being fully awake and alert. Accpeting and appreciating that gray area will help you enjoy more of your opiate highs and not feel let-down and frustrated if you didn't achieve exactly what you set out to. Drugs are often unpredictable, and being able to accept experiences for what they pan out like, no matter how different than what you anticipated, will help you get the most out of them.

 

[AutonomousOwl]

Hm, very interesting. I am quite aware of various Buddhist techniques, so that might help. A very easily readable eloquent answer. To be fair my use is on a strict schedule, quite stress-like with hoping certain people don't come back, see me etc. That probably doesn't help. Likewise, I get horribly anxious about ODing and dying, lol.

I want to redose (I IVd about 2 hours ago) and don't feel very high at all. I might do a light dose and get in bed and relax

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Oxycodone tends to be less nod-inducing than more sedating opioids.

I am sure it's not weak stuff!

There is no way to be sure of that when it comes to illicit heroin. It's possible that you have a high natural tolerance, or at least a high natural tolerance to nods. It's possible the heroin isn't as strong as people say it is or that it was a different batch. Environmental and mental factors can play a role as well. We can't know. Don't go chasing a nod. We're not here to help you get as high as possible and your question doesn't have a clear answer, it will mostly just lead to speculation. BDD is a harm reduction forum first and foremost, and as far as I can tell the only harm reduction value in this thread is that you would like to know if it is safe to increase your heroin dose, correct? There is no easy answer. RedLeader has good advice, don't have high expectations for a nod or try to force it.

Also I am guessing the CNS depressant effects are cumulative? I.E. If I was to redose an hour after a 75mg hit, I wonder what sort of suppression that would cause

It depends when you redose. If you redose while the last dose is still affecting you there will be an additive effect. It would definitely cause more respiratory depression than if you used the same quantity but didn't have any heroin in your system. But shooting, say, 75mg and then shooting another 75mg an hour later is not the same as shooting 150mg at once (both when it comes to euphoria and when it comes to respiratory depression, although the euphoria will be lessened to a greater degree than the respiratory depression, so be careful - just because you don't feel much euphoria doesn't mean you aren't at risk).

 

[AutonomousOwl]

Thanks very much. I understand what you are saying - but obviously people like to be high, rather than not - and obviously it does have harm reduction merit. Because if I was more naive, less intelligent and a complete moron - I might just inject loads hoping to get high, whereas your advice may have stopped me doing so. But yeah, I guess there is no scientific answer or nothing not covered by you two helpful gentlemen


So yeah, euphoria is going to be far less pronounced, but what you are saying is the respiratory depressive effects will be lessened than if taking 150mg at once as some will be eliminated etc. (operating under the premise you redose 2-3 hours later)

 

[hangyourhead]

Honestly, you should be feeling some nice euphoria with doses >100mg IME. We get some strong dope in my city though. I feel some euphoria, with years of tolerance and abuse under my belt, with doses like ~50mg (When I initially meant to stave off WD's).

To each their own though

 

[AutonomousOwl]

Yeah, that's what I thought. I really do think it is just me to be honest. All the people who have tried the same batch rave on about how it's much better than normal street gear, it's so strong blahblahblah. I do feel minor euphoria but just not as much as I thought. I guess I should just learn to appreciate it more

 

[bronson]

As you have the harm reduction advice you need, and the remainder can only lead to circular speculation, I'm going to go ahead and close this. PM any questions.