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Heroin Heroin laced with Fentanyl

kanyeknievel

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I have read about this killing hundred of addicts since Fent is so strong and people shoot up think it's just dope.

My questions about this are.

1.Fentanyl is really expensive, and isn't it measured in ucmg?
2.Isnt Heroin measured in mgs?
3.How does it make any sense for a dealer to put them together to make profit, it doesn't seem to make sense. Did they do it just to kill people or something?

4. And if those are somehow against the rules, how can we know if there is Fent in our bags so we don't make the same mistakes
 
they do it cause you need way less fent to get high and therefore less dope, its a potent spike that i have overdosed on. yes you have the measurements right but there is no way to tell the distribution of the fent in the dope making it extremely dangerous. fent gives a heavy rush and junkies tend to seek it out even when people are dropping like flies.
 
Hmm I guess in that way it make some sense, but still it doesn't make all sense to me. I actually wish I could find that. Only if i KNEW it was in it and do the TINIEST bit at one time. Get you really high and cheaper.

But since dealers don't tell you it has Fent in it, im sure 90% of the time, thats how they die. If i knew someone with bags that had fent in it, id buy them but just be extra cautious with them. But im sure everyone would do that too
 
^^Answered your own question, for the most part. :D

Fentanyl is measured in micrograms (mcg or ug) and heroin is measured in milligrams. Robatussin is right, they're adding it to either make the product seem more pure, to get more junkies to go after their specific brand name or to make up for an excess amount of cut.

I seriously doubt a dealer is going to tell you what your H is cut with, as he may not even know himself. The best way to go about it is to try a small dose and make sure yours isn't cut with fent, if you do indeed suspect that is what it's cut with.
 
^^Answered your own question, for the most part. :D

Fentanyl is measured in micrograms (mcg or ug) and heroin is measured in milligrams. Robatussin is right, they're adding it to either make the product seem more pure, to get more junkies to go after their specific brand name or to make up for an excess amount of cut.

I seriously doubt a dealer is going to tell you what your H is cut with, as he may not even know himself. The best way to go about it is to try a small dose and make sure yours isn't cut with fent, if you do indeed suspect that is what it's cut with.

What physical ways can you tell if it is cut with fent, what are the high ways to tell and what are the odds it would even happen? Especially in East Coast/New Jersey/Paterson area.
 
I always get a super rush.....that "woah im really high" feeling (watch out this is when you OD), then the fent halflife fades and you are left with a nasty headache that doesnt agree with the heroin in your veins, the second part of that high sucks
 
1.Fentanyl is really expensive, and isn't it measured in ucmg?
2.Isnt Heroin measured in mgs?
3.How does it make any sense for a dealer to put them together to make profit, it doesn't seem to make sense. Did they do it just to kill people or something?

The fentanyl in heroin bags isn't from pharmacies. It's produced illicitly in clandestine labs. So in a sense it's cheaper for the cartels (in Mexico) than buying kilos of opium. They make bulk powder of the stuff, then cut it to try to give it a similar potency as heroin. As it's so potent, it's not easy for gang bangers to cut it properly, and thus people die from overdoses.
 
I have read about this killing hundred of addicts since Fent is so strong and people shoot up think it's just dope.

My questions about this are.

1.Fentanyl is really expensive, and isn't it measured in ucmg?
2.Isnt Heroin measured in mgs?
3.How does it make any sense for a dealer to put them together to make profit, it doesn't seem to make sense. Did they do it just to kill people or something?

4. And if those are somehow against the rules, how can we know if there is Fent in our bags so we don't make the same mistakes

1. yes it is expensive but if you research, there is/was a mexican chemist (i dont know his name) who was producing it in mass quantities. when you get it black market its cheap as fuck
2. no not really
3. when you are getting a chemical as strong as fentanyl you could mix it with damn near any cut and call it heroin. instead of paying $100k a kilo for heroin you could pay whatever that dude was selling the fent for and double or triple your money. the people died because the dealer is a fucking moron and doesnt know how to dose fentanyl
 
I would imagine the cartels assume the lower level distributors and dealers are going to step on the heroin again so they probably have a good amount of fentanyl in there to begin with. I agree with MemphisX3, it is the dealer's fault, but the users need to be careful as well.

It is no secret that street heroin could have all kinds of different cuts/active ingredients/other opiates or opioids in it.
 
Question:

1.Fentanyl is really expensive, and isn't it measured in ucmg?
2.Isnt Heroin measured in mgs?
3.How does it make any sense for a dealer to put them together to make profit, it doesn't seem to make sense. Did they do it just to kill people or something?
4. And if those are somehow against the rules, how can we know if there is Fent in our bags so we don't make the same mistakes

Answer:

1. Fentanyl IS expensive considering it isn't even euphoric and only lasts 2 hours. Street wise it's expensive as shit and same as Prescription wise, compared to something like morphine or smack fentanyl is very expensive. Doses are measured in micrograms(ug) just like acid.

2. Yes smack is measured in mg...usual dose for the average junky is 100mg or 1 bag or a tenth or a point whatever you want to call it.

3. I've often wondered why they lace smack with fentanyl as well, its too expensive and impractical and its completely ironic to use fentanyl in smack as smack is suppsoed to be a long lasting, euphoric, cheap opiate and fentanyl is the exact contradiction of those 3 things...if anything fentanyl is dysphoric. The only logical reason to add fentanyl to smack on purpose is to increase potency...to make really cut dope stronger without adding too much volume(without increasing powder or bag size, potency increases without adding volume) .... That's the only reason I can think of that makes sense...Dealers don't want to kill their customers, I mean dope sells itself pretty much if a person overdoses there will be 5 more guys to take his place but regardless dealers wouldn't purposely add fentanyl to harm customers because that also is ironic, no chance for repeat business.

4. There's a chance most dealers don't even know their dope is laced with fentanyl I mean like I said already it's contradictory because fentanyl is too expensive to make lacing it practical and profitable. I highly doubt your average street dealer was the one to add the fentanyl it was most likely higher up the ladder to the supplier; he would add it to increase potency without increasing volume. I know if I was dealing dope I wouldn't want fentanyl in my dope, it's too risky, but then again people are ignorant and uninformed, your average joe doesn't know fentanyl is such a dose sensitive drug, I mean a few micrograms is the difference between ODing and a lack of a high.



Hope this helps,

-v4l
 
1. yes it is expensive but if you research, there is/was a mexican chemist (i dont know his name) who was producing it in mass quantities. when you get it black market its cheap as fuck
Yeah, he's back in jail. Not much longer after that the fentanyl laced heroin disappeared. The interesting part of all this is that, from what we know and assume is true, the illicit fent was coming from Mexico and it only ended up in powder (Colombian) dope in the NE and MW. From what I read the cut was added in the US. It reached the powder dope in just about all the major powder markets. It wasn't found in tar at all... Anyway, interesting assumptions can be made from all this.


But yeah, there are no indications that it's back. If you're worried, keep up with the junkie talk in your area as well as with news reports. And make sure to test out your product to gauge its strength.
 
Yeah, he's back in jail. Not much longer after that the fentanyl laced heroin disappeared. The interesting part of all this is that, from what we know and assume is true, the illicit fent was coming from Mexico and it only ended up in powder (Colombian) dope in the NE and MW. From what I read the cut was added in the US. It reached the powder dope in just about all the major powder markets. It wasn't found in tar at all... Anyway, interesting assumptions can be made from all this.


But yeah, there are no indications that it's back. If you're worried, keep up with the junkie talk in your area as well as with news reports. And make sure to test out your product to gauge its strength.

i read he was, but wasnt sure and am too lazy to look it up. i know he did like 12 years (for manufacturing fentanyl) and got out in 99 or something. i always wondered why it only ended up in philly/chicago/nj/ny. had to be some sort of deal with gangs and what not.
 
also: why are you people saying heroin is measured in milligrams? while it can be, and its practical, how many times have you gone to a dealer and said "hey man give me xxxmg of dope" or heard a dealer say "i got those xxxxmg bags of fire". i have yet to meet anyone measure their dope in mgs. tenths of grams yes but not mgs.

1/10
grams
ounces
pounds
kilos


no where on earth have i heard of dope being measured in mgs at any level by any person.
 
also: why are you people saying heroin is measured in milligrams? while it can be, and its practical, how many times have you gone to a dealer and said "hey man give me xxxmg of dope" or heard a dealer say "i got those xxxxmg bags of fire". i have yet to meet anyone measure their dope in mgs. tenths of grams yes but not mgs.

1/10
grams
ounces
pounds
kilos


no where on earth have i heard of dope being measured in mgs at any level by any person.

You do know a 1/10 is 100mg, right? And they were talkin about dosing, and with bag size varying from block to block, state to state, measuing it in mg is the easiest way (unless we are talkin weight).
 
You do know a 1/10 is 100mg, right? And they were talkin about dosing, and with bag size varying from block to block, state to state, measuing it in mg is the easiest way (unless we are talkin weight).

tbh, and i know i will sound like a moron, but no i didnt know 1/10 was 100mg. and i knew they were talking about doses but at the same time i have never heard anyone refer to any amount of heroin, be it doses or weight in mg. i guess it just me.
 
Diamorphine (pure pharma heroin) is routinely measured in mg; the only reason that street heroin isn't ever dosed like that is because it's so impure...
 
If you find or suspect that you have fent cut bags test shots are your friend I know that users usually dont like things that put more time in between their high and safety but what I do with bags that are clearly fent cut or may be fent cut is load 1 bag (for iv use) draw shoot 1/4 - 1/2 your shot wait a good 20-30 seconds ( I suggest taking the rig out you dont want broken tips in ya just incase its retard strength) if your good hit up the rest and dose accordingly if you feel that quarter/half bag shot is much stronger than it should be (users would know) then use caution with the rest. As a jump off point ive found that personally (please dont attempt yourself unless you have a tolerance around 6 bag shots) 1 bag is a good test shot ive caught insanely strong fent bags will get me where im going or make me nod from 1. Everyone is different though so please be careful when venturing for the stronger fent cut bags as stated before it has caused many a death even in the most tolerant of users. Happy hunting!
Ps if you do find a fent bag and od on it before you take the fall if you can get to a hospital/friend or shoot a suboxone (be prepared for hell) call the ambulance do something as people that start to nod on that tend to not wake up.
 
Any fuck head that cuts heroin with fent deserves to get busted a rot in jail while geting raped.
 
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