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Heroin in pills??

on an interesting sidenote, regarding the myth of strychnine in lsd!!

my uncle, and his wife, were given a tab of lsd each(penguins, early 90s) for their wedding anniversary!
not knowing what it was(they weren't told it was acid), they took it! about an hour later, they were tripping of their nutter, and quite enjoying themselves! towards the end of the trip, they both started feeling really sick, and started to vomit uncontrollably!
they went to the doctor, and said they had taken something(never mentioned lsd)! the doctor took a blood test, to see what was wrong, and it came up with strychnine poisoning!

this was not a friend of a friend story, i heard it directly from my uncle. and the doctor they went to was a trusted doctor, who they say wouldn't lie about this sort of stuff to them! they actually saw the test results!
and the doctor never mentioned lsd either! only strychnine!

also, they never knew it was actually acid they took(they thought it was ecstacy), until they described to me what it was that they had. it was a classic blotter, with a penguin on it!

i am not saying this is true, but at least it is not a friend of a friend story!
and it wasn't my uncle trying to scare me away from drugs, because he said he enjoyed it, and would have done it again if he hadn't of got sick!

so maybe, just maybe, the strychnine myth isn't all myth!! it certainly isn't true that it happens all the time, but maybe it has actually happened a few times!

PS. don't flame me, i'm not saying it is true. just that it isn't the classic friend of a friend story that people tell. it is straight from the horses mouth, so to speak!
 
It's a myth. What possibly happened is that your unc and aunt had symptoms which matched strychnine poisoning. Spend all night tripping drinking only alcohol or something alone those lines and who knows. I'm not knocking your account of what happened, just offering a possible explanation.

Unless the LSD tab was big (really big) then there would not have been enough room to fit an active (toxic) amount of strychnine. If they had of eaten Strychnine with the acid, the stomach cramps -and I mean cramps- would be the first thing they noticed, not the last. From someone who has had strychnine poisoning; well before vomiting, the pain is past unbearable and nothing, and I mean nothing is harder than simply standing upright. Did they suffer these symptoms?

I don't think a blood test would show up strychnine unless it was specifically tested for. If this was suspected I would have thought they would have checked stomach contents for the drug before it is metabolised. At a wildly speculative guess, I think the doctor instinctively knew what they had been up too (pupils can tell tales long after the event) and posed his diagnosis.

As to what caused it who knows, perhaps those sausage rolls weren't as fresh at the end of the party, but unless the physical size of the trip allowed it, there is no way they would have taken strychnine that way. Don't forget also that strychnine is a fairly fast working toxin (20-40 min for me)
 
sonic_reality: I've just read your post again and realised your uncle said he sighted the test results. Well, I'm mystified unless of course they consumed the strychnine via another source. Can't dispute with a test result though. Allowing for any possible error in interpretation rather than intentional misleading on your uncles part, I don't suppose there'd be any chance that you could sight the said document yourself ?

Did any other people take the trips and have the same side effects? I understand if you can't answer these questions, but it would be good to get to the bottom of this odd occurence.

I imagine that any other route of entry such as contamination of food etc has been ruled out? I know a guy who got arsenic poisoning after consuming 2 pills. He was sure this is what happened and I have to say that although indications are that he didn't consume it this way we could never rule out the pills. Another problem was that he didn't even note what they were prior to taking. His blood test revealed the arsenic alright, made more toxic to him due to a renal condition following past cancer treatment. But after literature serching for syntheses to MDMA using arsenic, my suspicion was not that that it had been in the pills, but that he probably actually picked it up from the party site; an old tractor shed and surrounding fields. Talking with the owner of the property it was revealed that over the years tons of arsenic had been once stored in the shed and liberally used as a weed killer over the property.
 
i'd have to see the doctors report to believe it.
From what I understand, a fatal dose of strychnine is at least 10mg.
And that would be one huge blotter.

Mr shulgin has something to say about it, have a look......


Some excerpts on this myth
 
I really don't see what this thread is achieving re: Heroin in Pills that all the previous threads on the topic have not achieved.

BigTrancer :)
 
i can't see the tests myself, as they are long gone. as i said, this happened in the very early 90s!
and they weren't at a party! they were just at home, by themselves. so i do't know if anyone else had the same affects!
they didn't even know what they had, until they descirbed it to me, and i came to the conclusion it was blotter acid(small piece of cardboard like material which was wet, with a penguin on it)!

i don't entirely believe it myself, and i wouldn't entirely believe it until i see the test results, but as i said, they are long gone!

i too believe that the doctor may have said it to scare them, but it had me stumped when he said he saw the tests results!

anyway, i guess we will never know.
i fully believe that strychnine in acid is a myth, but this just got me thinking that MAYBE, just maybe, some dodgy fucker back in the day, did put it in a batch, after hearing stories about strychnine in acid!?!?
or maybe the guy who gave it to them(it was an anniversary present), did something to it!
i guess we will never know!

anyway, back to the heroin in pills topic!
sorry bout hijacking your thread TranceNation!
 
^ Even so, as the person posted above, the dose range for strychnine poisoning is WAY more than you can fit on a tab of cardboard.

BigTrancer :)
 
tis one of the reasons why i said i don't fully believe it!
just strage that the tests came back with strychnine, that's all! wasn't saying it is true or anything!

anyway, back to heroin!
 
BigTrancer said:
Hehe, you should've read BL three years ago. Every second pill was reported as "oh man that must've had MDE in it man, I was so m0nged..." - everyone likes to know what they're getting and when a random pill hits them in a random way, if they can't explain it they begin to wrack their brains trying to think of suspect reasons. Unfortunately, subjective effects that are unfamiliar at the time represents about 0% of the information you need to identify a drug. So they pick a scapegoat chemical... like MDEA... or MDA... or heroin... or speed...

BigTrancer :)
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I was reading BL 3 three years ago and while i agree with you that pill users do say things like that which may be unfounded, I took exception to the way some of these posters were treated, as if their opinion counted for nothing, when really their guess was as good as any BL'ter.

Just because one BL'ter may be more informed than another, it doesn't necessarily mean they are right. Leaving heroin out of the arguement for obvious reasons....there is no way of proving that those peoples pills didn't contain chemicals like MDEA or MDA a few years ago, or even now for that matter. They actually could've....just as I or anyone else has no proof that they do. :\
 
I was reading BL 3 three years ago and while i agree with you that pill users do say things like that which may be unfounded, I took exception to the way some of these posters were treated, as if their opinion counted for nothing, when really their guess was as good as any BL'ter.
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Well, it's impossible to speak for those who critisise unnecessarily (on a bad day I've no-doubt also been responsible for such rudeness) but I feel - as you have indicated perhaps - that things have come a long way in those 3 years. I like to think structure and the result of seeing what works and what doesn't has markedly improved this forum over time. I'm leaving out the hard work by others spiel - you've all heard that before.


Just because one BL'ter may be more informed than another, it doesn't necessarily mean they are right. Leaving heroin out of the arguement for obvious reasons....there is no way of proving that those peoples pills didn't contain chemicals like MDEA or MDA a few years ago, or even now for that matter. They actually could've....just as I or anyone else has no proof that they do.
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Absolutely. But healthy discussion and corrected generalizations don't need to imply more is known than really is. Any argument or proposal should be viewed and presented as a viewpoint based upon an explained reasoning. Etiquette still applies, but opinions-even if inaccurate- still need to be encouraged, as the poster is likely to be educated through others reasoning or knowledge. It's when correction is done with malice that it goes off course. That's how I see it anyway.

As auntiedote has said, it is impossible to tell what was in a said pill without that which we don't yet have; accurate accessible lab testing or equivalent. Even for those with years of MDMA experience, getting a pill with MDA or MDEA at best will say this pill has something different, but without some experience with what is known to be MDA, how can that person say it's that drug? They can't. Now mix up a pill containing MDEA, MDA and MDMA, and even a person experienced in all 3 separate drugs would find it hard to identify the separate effects of each compound.

So it's all speculation. No problems with that providing it's not claimed as fact. The only factual presentation of such claims must be accompanied by a picture of the test equipment used ;)
 
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