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Heroin Heroin in movies and real life

cbean

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I've noticed, even in recent movies, that they always show users doing the heating up the spoon, melting the heroin method. I thought (with the exception of tar and heroin from the west coast/south west) that that method was outdated and in general no longer used. When did the cooking with the spoon method stop, and what brought the switch to the simple mix with water method?

Also, this is my first thread, so bear with me- let me know how I did, too :)
 
I think in the movies it is mostly for effect. Everyone hears about the term "cooking heroin" so they make it more dramatic heating the spoon and showing the solution boil. There are people who think heating it is a good idea, believing it kills bacteria. In reality to kill a worthwhile amount of bacteria they would lose a substantial amount of the drug, and a good filtering technique (i.e. micron filtering) will be far more effective in cleansing the solution. Heating the solution also allows cuts in the heroin to dissolve that under room temperature would not dissolve in water, thus bypassing the filter, ending up in the blood stream and not being good for the user.
 
People realized they ruin their veins with insoluble cut by making them dissolve in the heroin with heat.

People started realizing that there was more trash if they didn't heat left behind...

Research and education has paved it's way.
 
In baltimore we mostly get raw and scramble

Raw you don't heat up, scramble you are supposed to

It comes in capsules that you open and binside is the already crushed powder

I understand why people used to the wax bag/raw think its weird any shits heated up

But shit exists that you are supposed to
 
Heating water allows more of anything soluble in water to dissolve in it and it is universal for any substance. A substances solubility differs with temp but heating the water as opposed to not heating is not going to "separate" the good from the bad. I think the main reason some people may still heat is to use less water, which gives you a better hit. The same amount dissolved in a cc of water will not give the same effect if it were dissolved in 10cc of water because of the length of time it would take to inject the 10cc compared to the 1cc. It's the same reason hospitals always inject slowly and the effects are less then if they injected the same amount faster.

Someone mentioned that some may do it for sterilization purposes and that heating is not needed when using a micron filter but the best filter I know of only filters to .2 microns and some bacteria and most viruses are less then .1 micron. There isn't a filter made that can filter out everything and it is why the ones that do usually have an iodine or similar component to kill whatever the filter doesn't filter.

As the OP mentioned some types like black tar have to be heated. Heroin differs throughout the world with some powders being a HCL form and other being a base form. HCL forms being far more soluble in water don't need to be heated where the base forms are not as soluble and do as well as adding something acidic to help it dissolve in water.
 
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In baltimore we mostly get raw and scramble

Raw you don't heat up, scramble you are supposed to

It comes in capsules that you open and binside is the already crushed powder

I understand why people used to the wax bag/raw think its weird any shits heated up

But shit exists that you are supposed to

Can you tell us why 'scramble' is safer supposed to be heated? Isn't it just heavily cut ECP mixed with god knows what to fuck you up. Seems heating that stuff wouldn't be such a good idea, unless one of the common additives doesn't dissolve without heat.
 
I've read on this forum that heating is unecessasary, but in the UK everybody does it, and everybody uses citric as we only have freebase heroin here. So, if you see a UK movie and they heat the gear ie Trainspotting, then that's pretty much accurate.

Btw it pisses me off how some films glamourise the use of drugs; there are many misinformed young people who start using them because they think drugs are cool.
 
everyone ive seen does it, tar or powder. pisses me off. i try to educate, but the whole stereotype of junkie cooking the spoon just really stuck
 
Most users I know all started with cooking their dope because that was the stereotype. However, like Jay said.. people did some research and started realizing that heating your dope was actually causing more harm to you and doing nothing to increase the high. So, with the help of sites like Blue Light and the invention of the internet... information spreads and people have the ability to get actual truth and not info based on old out-dated stereotypes.

I started out cooking all my shots too. I was young and glamorized the whole process. Then I got older and smart.. hah.
 
Its to illustrate the point so everybody can understand. I dont even know what a micron filter or titration stuff look like and Im a druggie, the general population is going to be even less hip to it. I would have no idea what they were using unless they were blatantly banging some black stuff.

Seems like tar seems more stereotypical/recognizable than that cinnamon shit you guys are playing with back east.
 
Can you tell us why 'scramble' is safer supposed to be heated? Isn't it just heavily cut ECP mixed with god knows what to fuck you up. Seems heating that stuff wouldn't be such a good idea, unless one of the common additives doesn't dissolve without heat.

I just know ive tried doing shit from the same batch both ways (same batch of scramble that is) that its supposed to be heated I promise you

Talk to anyone from baltimore who gets scramble and supposedly detroit is one of the other few cities that has it and they'll tell you. Its garbage when not cooked

Raw however or that wax bag shit that most of the rest of the united states gets (aside from tar i dont know anything about that) ive never had to cook
 
same for me as Mr. S. i only did it cuz i didnt know. i thought u got it to dissolve better that way, and a lot of times i was desperate to get it to dissolve as quickly as possible and should have just stirred/crushed properly.

the movies get all that stuff wrong. requiem for a dream... a huge heroin movie. it shows the users' eyes' getting bigger rather than pinned out.
 
Still my favourite drug movie though; very chilling, and they didn't attempt to glamourise drug use at all. They could probably show it in schools as a "scare em straight" exercise. Probably would work, too.

Another thing that pisses me off is when people do coke in films, and then act completely fucking normal! Ie no grinding their teeth, no talking bollocks non-stop, etc.
 
Even the dumbass junkers on Nat. Geo. Drugs Inc. (Seattle) were boiling their tar w/ a 3 inch Bic flame on TV the other night -
Producers love that shit.

Edit: its actually repeated now @ 8:00 pm (Nat. Geo.) Pacific time...
 
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I do not know if this is true but not sure it has been brought up here..

I have read that instances of endocarditis are more prevalent (on average) in IV cocaine users when compared to IV heroin users.

Why is this?

I thought you would have to consider the fact that people very rarely heat cocaine and quite often heat heroin.

Also, some medical professionals still recommend cooking your drugs before IV use. (I am not saying they're right)

Source: (google skills)

EDIT: Found this..

Cocaine’s Effects

Endocarditis related to IV drug use is common enough that doctors and researchers have given the condition a separate name: intravenous drug abuse (IVDA) endocarditis. This form of endocarditis typically occurs when an IV drug user shares a single IV needle with other drug users, or fails in any other way to ensure the sterility of a needle prior to drug use. As noted previously, compared to other forms of IV drug use, IV cocaine use has a significantly greater tendency to lead to the onset of IVDA endocarditis. According to a study published in 2004 in the Postgraduate Medical Journal (as well as a separate entry in the 2008 textbook Acute Coronary Syndrome: Multidisciplinary and Pathway-Based Approach), cocaine’s unique effects apparently stem from the drug’s ability to accelerate a user’s normal heart rate and produce damaging surges in a user’s normal blood pressure levels. Underlying these changes in cardiovascular (heart and blood vessel) health is cocaine’s excessive activation of the sympathetic nervous system, an involuntary system that usually helps the body avoid undue shifts in its internal environment. The heart rate and blood pressure changes associated with cocaine use apparently trigger tissue damage in the endocardium that makes the eventual development of infective endocarditis considerably more likely. In addition, cocaine use suppresses the immune system in ways that may contribute to the risks for infection in the endocardium or elsewhere in the body

In most cases of IVDA endocarditis that don’t involve cocaine use, infection only takes hold on the valves in the right side of the heart. However, people with cocaine-related IVDA endocarditis have a much greater tendency to develop infections in their left-side heart valves. IVDA endocarditis that involves the use of cocaine or any other drug is highly associated with transmission of the HIV virus, according to the authors of a study published in 2003 in the journal Current Infectious Disease Reports. Anywhere between 40 and 90 percent of all IV drug users with infective endocarditis also have an HIV infection
 
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coke is more commonly "touched" by the "dealer" imo its that simple. also perhaps the coacine solution is caustic or damaging?? i noticed the few times i IV'd coke that my vein acted wierd afterwards and it was extremely good coke with very little cut compared to average. it left absolutely nothing detectable by touch or sight in the spoon or cotton. only thing i ever noticed is that if a drop of the solution was allowed to evaporate it left a tiny amount of a sticky like substance behind, so not sure what that was.

i had actually learned ahead of time not to heat the cocaine at all. right here on BL :) thank goodness for reasonable, realistic HR info
 
Well cocaine itself is cardiotoxic, causing inflammation in the endo- and myo-cardium and potentially making the muscle/valves more susceptible to infection when exposed to the chemical.

check out this link to an study abstract that deals with cocaine's cardiotoxic properties: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1346509
 
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