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Heroin: Dost thou now not reap what thy hast sown??...

candyflip

candyflip

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Hi all,
Sorry about the stupid subject title: thought I'd grab your attention about this touchy subject first
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I really do need your advice on the old 'H'. For reasons best kept to myself (but if you know I have been distributing the E-Z Test in this country, you may be able to make an educated guess) I need to score a cap of the stuff for educational testing purposes. Having never taken it, not knowing anybody who does and never even having SEEN the stuff, perhas you can tell me:
How will I know I've got a real 'cap' (I assume Baby powder and so-on gets sold to naiive youngsters like myself all the time??)...
How much should I expect to pay on the street..?
I won't ask you where...I live in inner-Melbourne, so it shouldn't be hard to find!
thanks everyone...
candyflip
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I was going to say...
"Just hop on the All to Liverpool or All to Cambelltown train and you'll be offered some of the purest H in Australia 17 times before you finish the trip"
but you live in melb..soo..
 
Well mona there's plenty in melb too. Try to have lunch in a park near Smith st without seeing someone smack-up
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(not that bad but almost).
Candyflip, I was curious about the same thing. Could you please post the result of the reaction.
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Jaff
 
i think it's about $50 a cap?? and being ripped off is a risk i think is unavoidable... remember these are desperate junkies...
but you will maybe appear to be a bit more switched on than the average customer...
i personally find the whole business evil, especially when you can't walk down russell street without hearing the word "chasin" at least 4 times.
it amazes me that these people still try and sell to party people (from hK, the cage, billboards) even if it appears that they are peaking! ive often had the urge to turn around and yell "do i look like i need a hit of heroin to you?!!"
hope this helps!
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Oi! I don't know this for a fact, but I believe that a fair few heroin dealers are only in it for the money, not to support addiction, as many aren't users, but are street wise and know what gets them money.
$30 would be high in Melb I reckon. (i know people won't like this) but didn't the media used to go on about 'how a cap of hammer is cheaper then a gram of MJ'???
Good luck CF, and throw that stuff out after you've done what you have to do, eh?
 
well DXM is an opioid (note it does not effect the brain in any way similar to the narcotics, morphine, H etc) so people who enjoy the odd bit of Robi, don't worry, ur not having a watered down hit of heroin.
Anyway the base strcuture of DXM and heroin is very similar. So i could hazard a guess that heroin may well have a similar reaction as DXM does to the tester. But its just a guess.
 
Thanks one and all...
I actually know what colour it is supposed to turn (blue), as are all opiates under reaction with Marquis reagent.
But before I offer for sale a new Australian-made Marquis reagent product (more soon!), I would like to be able to say with ABSOLUTE certainty that this substance turns blue in the presence of opiates...
I will let you know the results in due course...and that should put an end to the debate on whether there is any real 'smack' in our pills..
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oh, and no you CAN'T have what's left over from my testing for yourself...it'll be returning to the street from whence it came...
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candyflip
 
um yeah thats the text book. he knew that, i think c'flip just wanted indepedant verification...
um i actually tested some recently and it gave that exact result. it is a very vivid red/purple and is quite distinctive.
 
"remember these are desperate junkies..."
Im a little off the point of this thread but inspired by personal experience and the remark I quoted above.
Society completely supports the view of heroin addicts as unable to prevent themselves from the type of behavior that is so immoral and offensive to others, or get off the drug by themselves, we give credibilty to the downward spiral that says heroin is worse than other drugs. Im not saying it isnt, but given that smack withdrawal can be more closely compared to having flu than anything else, I find this intriguing.
After all, at what point is it considered all part of the package for people with flu to steal and lie and cheat and manipulate? Never. Is flu that fucking bad? Even really bad flu? Yet we assume that because the person who is feeling the same kind of symptons is a junkie its somehow a given that they will operate like this.
Society as a whole justifies smackheads behavior for them.
 
I agree...it's hypocrisy of the worst kind really. Heroin can be argued quite successfully to be NO WORSE for you than any other drug (except in overdose situations obviously). Certainly it needs a hell of a lot more care shown in it's use, but it's usually only an extremely insensitive media that beats it up so badly to the point it is feared now.
Personally, I'd be very happy taking it if I felt I needed to get quite that high and was in a safe environment (which I never have and doubt I ever will)...
And putting all Heroin users in the same basket (as the Media constantly do!) is as naiive as expecting all 'E' or speed users to be totally similar in profile. Clearly, we are not.
Aside from that: Isn't it nice to have a decent conversation on Bluelight again for a change?
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Drugs are the answer, now what was the question?....
[This message has been edited by candyflip (edited 05 December 2000).]
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the impression i had was that H dependancy basically switches off your body's production of endorphins such that without H, everything feels painful. Of course this could be exaggerated due to the constant barrage of anti-drug messages in my home country ( Singapore for those who don't know). But to go on along those lines, it would make sense that addicts who do get such severe symptoms may very well resort to desperate measures.
While Erowid and Lycaeum (where i assume Bean Queen and Candyflip got your info from) state that withdrawal symptoms are only flu-like, this is at lower level dependacy is it not? The two sites claim that most addicts are unlikely to be able to afford or access enough H to reach that high a stage, not everyone has that great a level of self-control. They may scrounge up enough cash through loans from friends and family, cut back on other expenses, etc. Also, there are DDs who are unscrupulous and sell H out on a "take-now-owe-me-big-time" basis, just to keep their "clients" addicted. Gradually, the users will be addicted at such a stage. You'd have to consider the socio-economic status of those who do reach that level of desperation. Either the very rich who can afford it or the imporverished who are constantly in contact with the shadier side of society, like most 3rd world addicts are.
Erm....i didn't have that much to say initially, just wanted to bullshit a little and basically agree with candyflip that yeah, it's nice to have a decent thread going finally. Hence the long absence from Bluelight.
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"Let us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of your path"-Jack Kerouac
 
...adding my unqualified and problably unsubstanciated opinion here, but the 'inability to feel much except pain' thing pretty much describes morphine addiction - at least in Cryptanomicron
 
look, nicotine is twice as addictive as heroin. Also when you try heroin for the first time, you get extremely nauseous, and thats why alot of people are turned off by it immediately after trying it. Basically all I am trying to say is that if someone does get addicted to heroin (and that goes for other drugs as well) they have to be quite emotionally unstable beforehand... they have their reasons for doing it.
 
in reponse to earlier topic: I thought that this was conducted in May for the purpose of getting that red-purple colour?
That red-purple colour did appear after this.
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Agreed with rikidozan.
Really good book on the topic of heroin I read recently is "How to stop time: The A - Z of heroin" by Anne Marlowe. Not just a *drug* book, a really good read to, had trouble putting it down. Her perspective is very interesting.
 
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