I have to run, but I want to make absolutley SURE I address this, as I don't know when I'll be back.
LiquidOcean...as I said I agree with much of what you said, and I'm going to *assume* those overly-harsh comments were being directed to PhreeX, as I most certainly *did* offer advice based on experience, along with a disclaimer. Surely you wouldn't be speaking without basis?
perhaps those that have had remarkable, drama-free experiences with crystal meth and heroin are perhaps deluded of their own experience and wish to portray a sort of thickness of soul on their part. but please have some responsibility and keep from recommending these to people who don't show that they know what they're getting into!
This is the part I'm a bit tweaked at. I'm going to assume that since I specifically mentioned these two drugs, this, again overly-harsh statment, is directed towards me.
I'd really like to know where you gleamed my 'delusion' resulting in my portraying a 'thickness of soul'. I am NO greater than any other man or woman who starts down the risky path of recreational drug use. I think that I am JUST as succeptable to the weaknesses and shortcomings of drug use/abuse. However, I *know* my limits, and I respect them. I know when things are starting to get out of hand and I realize when it's time to pull the plug. And please, let's not so downgradingly refer to my <or anyone's> experiences of ANY kind as "drama-free". The negative inuendo that you display there is uncalled for and unwelcome. I've seen more than my fair share of friends hospitalized, committed, and sadly even buried because of the use of these very same drugs. So unless you know what exactly it is you're talking about, hold back on the word play.
As far as not reccomending these drugs...Tell me dear sir, how are we [ as moderators ]to distinguish those who are full of willpower (a concept you don't seem to beleive in) from those who are so weak as to succumb to any addiction the devil (perhaps this is your justification for addiction?) may throw their way. I for one resent this comment. I think it is a dis-service to the members of this forum to take the stance that everyone is far too weak and feable minded to be able to withstand the rigors of "Hard drug" (I would LOVE for you or someone else to define a hard drug) use...No we should stick ONLY to marijuanna, vicoden and Ecstacy. Perhaps this forum should be "For the discussion of drugs other than Ecstacy (or heroin! or Meth! or ANY hard drug!)"
This very topic (The so-called "hard drugs") has been discussed innumerable times in this very forum. If we so much as HINT at the fact that we enjoy Heroin, or that we <gasp> RECCOMEND methamphetamine, we ALWAYS follow that HINT or <gasp> RECCOMENDATION with a disclaimer. We understand that not all people are strong enough/balanced enough/"LUCKY" enough to handle what these "evil" drugs will throw at them.
But something you seem to forget, we ALL have been there. EACH ONE of us has seen and experienced every painstakingly negative aspect that these vile creations could show to a human. Yet somehow, through all that, we seem to be 'LUCKY' enough to manage ourselves. To hold down a steady job. To support ourselves and the people we love. To make it through another day.
Had it not been for the reccomendations, stories, WARNINGS, and advice of PhreeX, Quicksilver, TheTripDoctor, and many MANY others on this board, I never would have taken that first step through the door of this beautiful world I know as opiates.
So next time, before you go on a lengthy diatribe about us being lucky, and apparently doing a poor job of moderating our forum, stop and think: We've been there...have you?
