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Herbs or drugs to quickly reduce tachycardia?

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I know this has been covered a thousand times, but searching on here isn't so easy sometimes, so I apologize for the new thread. I'm on a decent-sized dose of (supposedly or mostly) ethylphenidate and my heart is pounding like a motherfucker. I don't like it. Vasoconstriction isn't too bad, but my HR is 118 beats per minute, just sitting here in front of the idiot box. A light dose of GBL hasn't done shit (1mL).

I can use carisprodol, etizolam, gabapentin, valerian, kava kava, jamaican dogwood, as well as other non-sedating herbs I've got (too many to name) and the aforementioned substances. I'm just not sure what's best for simple cardio-relaxation. Ideas? I'm responsible enough not to go overboard with the GBL mixed into this mess, just so you know.

THanks, info appreciated
 
Beta blockers are probably best, but I wouldn't recommend mixing them with stims. Why do you want to mess around with your heart rate?
 
IDK, my docs flip about my ~108 heart rate being tachycardic and my ~135/90 BP...
 
jaurk said:
that's a pretty reasonable BPM, not very dangerous, but long periods of time aren't great.
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This.

Don't fuck around trying to lower your heart rate yourself - beta blockers can actually do more harm than good sometimes. This isn't a dangerous BPM - if you are concerned, use less stimulant in the future, and if you get really worried of course get medical attention (but for a BPM of less than 120 and no other symptoms, this isn't necessary..)

Doug, anything over 100BPM is technically tachycardic but not dangerous. Some medical texts quote 120BPM as the upper limit of normal. In the long term the lower the better, same with BP, but that's a different thing to an elevated HR or BP due to a stimulant..
 
cool well i'm glad to have heard this. i ended up taking propanolol, 20mg, which I think did the trick, along with celery seed, L arginine, and later an etizolam or two. Why is it bad to use beta blockers while on a stim? What would medical personelle do in the case of stimulant-induced tachycardia? give you sodium pentothol?
 
It is bad to use a beta-blocker because it only blocks one half of the sympathetic nervous system (the part of your nervous activated by stims - the fight or flight system responsible for tachycardia, high BP, peripheral vasoconstriction etc) - it blocks the bit that slows doen your heart (the beta-adrenergic receptors). It doesn't affect the alpha-adrenergic receptors, which causes vasoconstriction. Slow heart rate (therefore reduced cardiac output) + vasoconstriction = not enough blood getting to your tissues, especially your heart = dangerous... it can also cause uncontrolled hypertension too. Never take a beta blocker if you've had stimulant drugs, it can be really dangerous..

In hospital you get benzos or a clonidine (or similar) drip.
 
Nothing OTC, nothing herbal, except what you already documented.

Phenylated-GABA, or "Phenibut", is possibly of use, but not deeply...

Labetalol is a combined alpha- and beta-adrenergic blocker. 10-20 mg.

Dantrolene, Nitroprusside, Phenobarbital, Diltiazem...

Look in that direction...

Administration of a "pure" beta-blocker is acutely dangerous, as, e.g., a "pure" one like Propranolol will eventuate in paradoxical worsening of cardiology symptoms and hypertension, due to unopposed alpha-adrenergic effects.

If tachyarrhythmia and/or serious tachycardia present, a short-acting beta-blocker like Esmolol is befitting...
 
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Ooh, labetalol, yeah that's the other one used in hospitals.

Basically - trying to self-medicate tachycardia is dangerous. It isn't usually dangerous on its own, if it is regular - but if you are concerned, it is irregular, if it is above about 160bpm, if you have chest pain, dizziness, or feel unwell at all then get medical attention immediately!

If it is a little fast and you are feeling anxious then a benzo might help, but go steady and take a low dose.

I'm actually going to close this now as I'm not very comfy with medical advice like this being given over the internet - a lot of "herbal" stuff won't work and could be dangerous, most beta-blockers are dangerous and if you are concerned then you should get medical attention. If it;s a bit high but not too high/no other symptoms, a (low dose, ideally anxiolytic) benzo can reduce anxiety, or just take less stims ;)

If anyone has any queries or anything to add then feel free to shoot me a pm )
 
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