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D n A

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So I have a bit of a problem. I just got a message on Facebook this morning from an old friend, asking me for money to help him pay off his debt to some 'bad people' that he acquired from some sort of drug problem.

Here's the background info, might be a little important to fully explain the situation..

So last year in March I met this fellow (let's call him Jim) at a drum n bass show, and so we chatted for a bit before exchanging names and adding one another on FB. I saw him at a lot of events, and naturally we'd hang out, chat, and dance. I only hung out with him once or twice outside of 'party atmospheres.' He was a bit of a strange guy, but he was entertaining and he was someone to chill with at events. I found out soon that he was a bit of an alcoholic and a ketamine addict, but I'm not extremely judgmental and since he seemed pretty cool I didn't really care.

So anyways, one night in May/June we were at this show with some of my friends, and he was drunk (as always) and doing whatever. He came up to me midway through the night and complained to me about how this one rich 'chunky' chick always followed him to clubs/bars and tried to get him drunk so she could take him home. Of course, he didn't like her, so he just used her as a free source of alcohol, lol. He told me that he was going to get revenge on her of some sort, idk why, but apparently he was pretty annoyed by her because she constantly and heavily hit on him to the point that he was actually starting to get a bit pissed about it.

An hour before the show ended, he came up to me and excitedly shoved an iPhone4 into my hands and asked me if I knew how to get the sim card out. He told me that he had found it on the ground. I told him that we should try to return it to lost and found.. but he insisted that I do it, so I did. Call me a bad person, whatever... anyways.. I flushed the sim down a toilet and then brought the phone back to him. Once the show ended and we had walked a bit of a ways away, he thanked me profusely for helping him and then said that I could just keep it, since he already had two phones. He said that I had been a decent friend to him and that since my normal phone was a piece of shit I deserved an upgrade. So, ok, I accepted the offer..

A few days later he told me that he had stolen it from the fat rich chick, and that she had told him that she must have lost her phone at the club, oblivious to the fact that he had actually stolen it. I wasn't really sure what to think of this.. lol.. wasn't really that impressed by the fact that he had actually stolen a phone as 'revenge.' Anyways, he told me that he was kind of broke at the moment and needed cash, and that he would like to sell the iPhone that he'd given to me, but that since he said I could keep it and saw that I was happy with it, he'd let me have it for keeps.

I saw him a few times after that, but since the summer he kind of just disappeared and we haven't really spoken much at all.

However, today, randomly, he sends me this message (edited a bit)

Hey, sorry to be a bother, but.. whatever happened to that Iphone 4 I put in your hand....?
Well, I kind of need it.... NOW! ASAP!!!!!! Or financial compensation..?! It's your choice.... but...
I dont want to be a stickler of any sort, or, unfriendly in any way, I just need money REALLY bad!!! got a little fucked up with drugs and owe a debt to some really bad people. And after having a gun pointed at my head and in my mouth, I kind of am scared of the wholen situation and REEEEAAALLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! neeed ANYTHING!!!! to pay so I dont get killed or hurt....
PPPPPPLEEEEEEAAAASSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE HHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have nobody left that will help me.. I dont want to die..... so yeah, anytime would be nice there [DnA]!
Thanks, Jim

Now, I REALLY don't know what to think of this.
At first, I felt really bad. I haven't talked to him in a while, as I said, but he was still a decent friend (albeit for a short period of time) and I don't want anyone to get hurt. However, it's not really my problem that he got into drugs that caused him to fall into debt. I'm 18 years old, he is in his mid 20s. I work a minimum wage job on the weekends and I don't make enough to 'compensate' him. I don't plan on giving him the phone, since I'm currently using it and it has lots of my stuff on it that would be a pain in the ass to transfer, etc. I never made his bad decisions for him.

He messages me out of the blue after not speaking to me for months, and like I said, we weren't the best of friends, we would just chill now and then at clubs, pretty much. Now it is my problem that he owes people because of the phone that he stole and gave to me. Yeah, maybe that's karma for accepting a stolen item, but at the time I didn't know it was stolen until it was too late. And that is in the past and besides the point right now.

There are some fishy parts to the story.

An iPhone 4 can probably be sold on the internet for around $3-400 (it's a 16gig). If he wants compensation, or to sell the phone.. well.. what kind of drug dealers kill others over such small sums? It's not worth their while. Why would they want to have to deal with disposing of a body, as well as attracting more attention to themselves, seeing as they already partake in illegal activities? It doesn't really add up.

And since I know he is a drug addict and an alcoholic, there is also the chance that he is just trying to make me feel sorry for him so he can obtain some money to score more drugs. He has been known to steal things.. I believe I remember him telling me he stole a wallet and another phone, plus he's "found" many other electronic devices and money at parties before.



So my question is.. what do I do? Is he trying to trick me into giving him money to support a habit, or is he actually in need of my help? Am I a bitch for thinking that he might not be in trouble? Should I give him a bit of cash as a thanks at least, for giving me the phone in the first place? Idfk what to think of this or what to do. So you tell me..
 
Don't answer him. Out of all the grimey mofos I have known, none of them would pull a stunt like this unless they wanted to score more drugs.
 
An iPhone 4 can probably be sold on the internet for around $3-400 (it's a 16gig). If he wants compensation, or to sell the phone.. well.. what kind of drug dealers kill others over such small sums?

I'd agree with this statement, I doubt very much he would be killed for less than $5000. If it was me I would call his bluff and tell him that he should just take a beating for his drug debt and move on, it isn't your problem. You have to make the call if you consider him a friend it seems. Personally he sounds like bad news, someone who uses and abuses those who are closest. You even said yourself the way he treated the fatty was inappropriate and disproprtionate. In short he is a drug addict and as you get older you learn not to trust any addict, even those you have known through thick and thin. Eventually you get burnt.

As for the phone, you owe him nothing, but it is like anything in life though, nothing comes without a price. Call it payback for being an assessory to the crime but karma seems to be working its way back towards you. To split the difference I suggest you give him $100, take it or leave it. Afterall you have taken the risk holding onto stolen goods, and at the end of the day it is a used, secondhand phone, hardly worth more than a few hundred dollars.

Either way I would end this friendship. True friends would never lie to you in the first place, putting you in an awkward position, and they definitely wouldn't call you out of the blue and try and pass on their bad choices onto you. You reap what you sow.
 
don't answer. hopefully you won't see him again. it's not like he brought much to the table, anyways...
 
They aren't going to kill him. They're just terrorizing him so that they can milk any possible money out of the situation.

The problem here is that even if this is all genuine, if you help him out here, his addict mentality might one day think DnA helped me out last time I was in need, and he will start fabricating situations so that you can help further his habit.

He's got three options: take a beating, move or romance the chunky chick into giving him the money.
 
An iPhone 4 can probably be sold on the internet for around $3-400 (it's a 16gig). If he wants compensation, or to sell the phone.. well.. what kind of drug dealers kill others over such small sums? It's not worth their while.
400 bucks may just be part of a larger sum owed and not representative of the total amount. In any case, the worst he'll get is an ass kicking. Paranoia tends to make people exaggerate. Unless he lives or hangs out in an inner-city with a very high crime rate (specifically homicide), he's in no real danger since he probably owes money to 'thugs' like this:

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And since I know he is a drug addict and an alcoholic, there is also the chance that he is just trying to make me feel sorry for him so he can obtain some money to score more drugs.

This is the most likely scenario.

Should I give him a bit of cash as a thanks at least, for giving me the phone in the first place?

Worst option by far. Seriously, don't do this.

You don't want people like this in your life. As long as you have this phone, he's going to keep bugging the hell out of you. Giving him back the phone is the last string he has attached to you and once that's gone there's no reason for him to contact you any longer. This is a good thing. So either give him back the phone or hell, track down the original owner and give it back to her. There's an idea! Probably not what you want to hear, but objectively speaking it's the "right" thing to do. Really, you could keep it and ignore him completely until he goes away, and the world would keep turning just fine. Ultimately, it's up to you. I don't believe in karma, in the classical sense, but I do believe the choices we make define who we are.
 
Giving the phone back to Fatty does sound like a ballsy idea. It would right the wrong as well as a final "fuck you" to the mooch. You just have to hope she doesn't want to press charges.
 
Yes(in reference to the title...)? Junky BS. A junky will tell you his liver fell out so you'll take 'em to the hospital. If the kid does get killed,yeah its kinda sad even though it was chump change but he should have known better, or had ways to get out. This is what junks do, get trapped and turn to people they meet five times and barely at that, at some party and think "HOLY SHIT i've called XXXXXXX and they haven't haleped maybe XXXX willl.......",sorta thing. Junkies will do a bunch o' junk to get whatever junk it is they need to fix 'em.
 
My personal opinion... I know it'd suck fat balls, but I'd clear the phone out and give it back to him... essentially washing your hands of the situation and of his shady future dealings. I don't trust the guy from what I've read and would likely not trust the guy if I'd met him in person. Getting a free iPhone is tits, fo sho, but if you were to give it back, you don't "owe" him shit and it gives you more leverage in any sort of future conflict.
 
400 bucks may just be part of a larger sum owed and not representative of the total amount. In any case, the worst he'll get is an ass kicking. Paranoia tends to make people exaggerate.
Yeah, I was wondering if it was maybe just *part* of what he owed.. he never said how much debt he had

Giving the phone back to Fatty does sound like a ballsy idea. It would right the wrong as well as a final "fuck you" to the mooch. You just have to hope she doesn't want to press charges.
I don't personally know her and I don't even know what she looks like lol. Apparently she just went out and bought a new phone the next day
I was thinking about what you said, giving him $100. But I'm still not really sure. I haven't messaged him back yet, but I can't obviously avoid it forever
 
The problem (in my opinion) is that if you give him $100... for one thing... he'll think you're good for more later if he needs it. And two... he could always say "$100??? Are you serious??? That phone is worth 300 minimum!"

You got options, but still... first thing I'd do is give him back the phone and tell him to fuck off.
 
DnA said:
I don't plan on giving him the phone, since I'm currently using it and it has lots of my stuff on it that would be a pain in the ass to transfer, etc.

Yeah, I totally feel your pain. That would be pretty inconvenient, wouldn't it?

Or imagine if you lost your phone and all your personal stuff. That would suck.
 
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Don't give him anything, he sounds like a odious leech.

Given his penchant for doing the wrong thing, allow him to be bad on his own, and do not feel the need to feel sorry or responsible for his poor choice of actions.

He you feel bad about the possession of the phone return it to the owner (after you wipe it) or donate it to one of the charities that collects phones, I think the body shop still collects phones to donate to women who are the potential victims of domestic violence, so riding your guilt can help someone in a bad place.
 
Give him the phone back. Let him do what he wishes. I would think you would welcome the chance to get the bad karma phone out of your possession. I would be nervous something bad would happen to me while using the phone.

You never know...
 
Yeah, I totally feel your pain. That would be pretty inconvenient, wouldn't it?

Or imagine if you lost your phone and all your personal stuff. That would suck.
She didn't care at all. Jim actually went with her while she got her new phone (to make himself seem less suspicious in case she figured it out) and he said she didn't give a shit at all. Like I said, she's rich, her parents are rich, and they give her money. She doesn't give a fuck if something breaks, she just goes out and gets a new one.

@undead. I'm 18. If he asked for more money I'd tell him to piss off. I work min wage. Icant afford to give him more. And I can't afford to buy myself a new phone. It's not my fault that a 25 year old couldn't handle his shit and now owes people money. I know what it's like to be addicted to an unforgiving substance but I had enough self control to not let it take over my life. Someone 7 years older than me should be responsible enough to do the same.

I'd be willing to help him out with a bit of cash, but he gave me the phone almost a year ago and hasnt even bothered talking to me or suggesting that we hang out within the past 6 months. He disappears and then randomly messages me out of the blue asking me for money? Am I supposed to be a good friend to him when he hasn't been one to me? I had tried to keep in contact with him but like I said it was as if he disappeared. So wtf?
 
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I'd ignore him. He sounds like a scumbag. No one is going to kill him over a $400.00 debt. Really, prison for 20 years over $400.00? I don't think anyone would take the risk.

I'd cut contact the fellow, as he sounds like he is doing you NO good, only doing you harm. You do not need that in your life young miss.

Keep the phone, it has been almost a year? She has replaced it by now I am certain. The risk of being charged is not worth it. The charges are again, something you do not need in your life.

You have no obligation to be a good friend to him when has not been one to you. Just ignore him I say.
 
. I'm 18. If he asked for more money I'd tell him to piss off. I work min wage. Icant afford to give him more. And I can't afford to buy myself a new phone. It's not my fault that a 25 year old couldn't handle his shit and now owes people money. I know what it's like to be addicted to an unforgiving substance but I had enough self control to not let it take over my life. Someone 7 years older than me should be responsible enough to do the same.

Lol. Oh, to be young again...
 
How are you paying the bill? I presume it's not in your name?
I forward money for the bill to my dad. It's on a contract. If I can't pay the bill then it gets cancelled, since it's my job to pay it and not his
 
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