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Benzos help with benzo withdrawal.. desperate

For me Lyrica helped much better than Neurontin. Neurontin is pretty mild. It works but Lyrica is just much stronger. Neurontin never made me pass out in a way that Lyrica did. If I had the choice b/w the two and the doctor was only willing to give me one at a time, I'd definitely go for Lyrica in your situation. The only thing is that Lyrica is much more expensive than Neurntin. Neorontin is very cheap and Lyrica can be quite expensive even with insurance. Maybe your insurance covers is, mine only did partially and its a pretty good insurance that covered many expensive meds in the past.

Lyrica will calm down your CNS a lot. You will feel kinda drunk and clumsy and you will definitely be able to sleep. It feels a little weird to me, as I can definitely feel it working on my my CNS. It's action is similar to benzos as it works on the GABA receptors that's why you get relief during benzos w/d.

Neurontin might work really well for you, gotta try it to see. But I would only take Neurontin as a second drug type of thing. Only if the doc is willing to give you both Neurontin and Lyrica at the same time, then you can experiment. Take some Neurontin and if it doesn't work you can take some Lyrica. Cause I know Lyrica will definitely work and Neurontin doesn't work that well for everyone. Lyrica was kinda like a lightning bolt to me. Hit me so hard, I passed out an hour later and had my first full night's rest in a week.

Also, maybe ask your doc about clonidine. It will bring down you blood pressure and stuff related to that. Take very small doses. It's cheap stuff and small doses won't hurt. I would try it if your doc would be willing to give it. There are also patches available.

Is your doc willing to taper you on valium. I heard it works the best. Or is he totally set on Librium? Why is he so set on Librium as opposed to Valium which is more of a standard drug for benzo tapers?

Of course we care. Most of us have been where you are now and we don't like to see other people suffer because we personally know the pain. Walking in someone's shoes definitely makes one more compassionate. Also, helping someone helps my own recovery for some reason. So all the people that are helping you are not just doing it for selfless reasons, they get a lot of satisfaction out of being able to help you. I hope what I wrote is helpful.

I wish you luck on getting the monkey off your back. Try getting a different doctor. Is he the only doctor you can see? The only doctor your insurance covers? That would be crazy. See if there is anyone else you can see. This doctor seems to be set in his ways and not very willing to work with you on getting you off this shit. Everyone is different and what works for one person might not work for another. So you need a doctor who is very flexible and willing to try many different things to help out. You need a slow taper cuz that is better for you in the long term. You can actually cause some damage to yourself by going off benzos too fast. Take your time. Do not rush at all. This is not something to be a hero about and try to go cold turkey as that can actually be more damaging to you long term than a a slow taper. Do not feel bad that you have to be on this taper plan for a long time. Do not feel guilty over it. It is what it is and you need to accept that. Making yourself feel worse about it will only be detrimental towards your recovery. Do what is best for you and do not let others tell you what to do. You know your body best.

I wish you the bestest of luck with this. I know you can do it. Form your posts you seem like a strong, smart and determined person and you will definitely be able to put this behind you eventually. Just don't rush. Do it right. Definitely look at the Ashton Manual. I read it and it is genius for benzos w/d. maybe take a copy to a doctor. This woman is a pioneer in the field of benzo w/d so if a doc won't be willing to use her advice, you need to find a different doctor. She spend most of her life with patients coming off benzos. She knows more of what is doing than any other doctor pretty much. Find a doctor that will work with you using the Ashton technique because it is the best one out there. It is the safest and most effective way of coming off benzos and you need to find a doctor that is willing to work with you using the Ashton manual or at least greatly take the manual into consideration when making a taper plan.

It's your body. You need to take care of it and the best way to do that now is do a slow and safe taper plan. It is the best thing for your nervous system. Anything too fast or drastic can have negative long term effects. Benzos are not like opiates where you can just go cold turkey and be fine. They are a much more serious drug to come off of. You need to be very careful about this taper and you need a doctor who knows what they are doing and who has a lor of compassion for benzo addiction.

Good luck. You'll need it. Stay strong!!!
 
Hi, I'm new here, but I thought I might be able to help with the situation, I recently helped a friend who, like yourself, has HPPD and was prescribed benzos. However, he was also prescribed a time-release version of risperidone. I was curious if you were on any antipsychotic for your HPPD, or if you feel it is moderate enough to not require antipsychotics.

If you aren't comfortable discussing this, I completely understand. Though, in my friend's experience, his risperidone greatly helped his hppd, which he claimed was the source of a great deal of his anxiety. Because his use of an antipsychotic ultimately lowered his anxiety, it was much easier for him to taper off benzos using diazepam.

If your hppd is not that severe, I apologize if it seems like i'm trying to push antipsychotics on you, I'm simply trying to share my experience with the successes of such medicines on hppd while weaning off benzos.

Best of luck,
MidniteNoose
 
i found it much easier to switch to clonazepam and taper off that. there were less side effects than any other benzo. i mean it was a cake walk. but the wd from diazepam was rough.
 
assuming you're smart with dosing and timing, a little cash for a bottle of liquor or case of beers is all you need to make it till your next refill without the system seeing you as a druggy. their cross tolerance and similar effects makes you comfortable but still feels weird since your receptors are in an odd equilibrium a bit

The problem with this is that benzos can to avoid the effects of alcohol w/d, but not vice versa. He really needs benzos to taper...
 
Z- that was a very helpful post, thank you. I am so happy that lyrica might actually help. IDK why my doc chose librium instead of valium. Thing is he doesn't wanna do a slow taper cause ive only been on it for a little over a month. at the time he talked about the taper i was on for 3 weeks and he was gonna do a 3 week taper. I need to let him know about the idiot doc that made me seeing demons and hearing shit for 2 years.

moose: yes I take geodon, no offense at all. When i was withdrawing last time i was on 160 mg of geodon and i slept. Now i am on 40 mg. Maybe I should up to 60, it does kinda help my hppd. And yes my hppd is kinda severe, sometimes i see demon faces on the walls etc.

spectre- i withdrew of klonopin before and im like terrified of it. dontt want to be near it.

Im curious how helpful it would be to switch to valium? idk if it would be much different than librium. what is the valium equivalent of 10 mg of librium?
 
oh and zyggy yea that is the only doc i can get really. And who knows maybe another doctor might be worse? see this guy is an addiction doctor, he works at a rehab, so he does have a lot of experience with getting people off benzos. The fact that he mentioned lyrica gives me a little hope that he knows what hes talking about, cause another doctor gave me some weird ass shit that made everything much worse. I don't remember what it was but i have no idea what he gave it to me for cause it certainly didnt do anything but make things worse. it wasnt lyrica/neurontin


and yea i dont wanna be addicted to alcohol either, plus im not even 21 so access is hard. Im gonna take a california poppy tincture tho with a little bit of alcohol in it, i doubt a few drops would do much at all.
 
have any lyrica users noticed any side effects? is it safe to use long term, or at least for a few years?
 
can't sleep, can't close my eyes overwhelmed by sounds and somatic feelings. im on the same dose why is my withdrawal getting worse?
 
can't sleep, can't close my eyes overwhelmed by sounds and somatic feelings. im on the same dose why is my withdrawal getting worse?



Cuz you have to play catch up lol, next time you dose, your withdrawals will get better, if not subside
 
And to be honest a month of even extreme benzo use really isn't that bad... You'll have rebound anxiety, insomnia and all but shouldnt be anything too serious.

I beleive that if you fuck with a drug you should let it burn you back, only way someone learns. Myself included.
 
I don't do well without sleep, and it ends up being a cycle. I've been through this before, I had already learned my lesson. This addiction was purely accidental and was my fault for not looking up half-lives and not realizing that i could get addicted even if i took them every other day. Im already getting strange side effects on 10 mg.
 
"Accidental" comeon man you got to man up and stop that shit I've told myself that 100 times and each and everytime it was complete bullshit.

YOU put a drug into your body and YOU chose to be ignorant of what that drug could do to you. Thats ALL IT TAKES to get addicted. Did they "accidentally" fall into your mouth? No. It was a cycle you nurtured and it only lasted for 1 month. I don't even understand personally how much you must have used in that month to feel as bad as you do.

I used high doses of xanax for 1 year and was able to taper off it in 4 weeks with relatively no problems at all. Maybe what you're on is a lot stronger but a month still is a short time.

I'm not minimizing how shitty you feel right now I just want you to realize your MIND can make you feel a lot worse than you really do. And whether or not it WAS an accident or not it still doesn't change anything. Its not going to make tapering any easier. Gods not gonna have empathy and all a sudden make the pain go away I'm sorry. The only reason I'm saying this is because obviously I've thought about it all myself.

As far as tapering, it is NOT easy. Its not a smooth pain free experience I'm sorry. But trust me when I say cold turkey is elligible to have you hanging by a rope in your bathroom. So in comparison to CT, with a bit of will power and strength you SHOULD be able to make it through this.

If you genuinely have convinced yourself this is an "accident", like I use to, this is how I use to deal with it.
I'd get SO MAD at myself for "accidentally" taking a drug everyday and getting myself addicted to it, that I took ALL that anger out during the taper. That anger is GOOD and will motivate you through this time.
If you weren't angry you prob wouldn't care and would go back to using.

BE MAD as it will keep your spirit in tact.
I've been tapering off a large opium habit for weeks now and I'm angry as a motherfucker. I snap at people all day, I hate my life, but I still have a spirit. I still have a will. A taper is not likely to break you but make you stronger over time. It will batter your soul but you will always come back. No matter how shitty you feel today your body is in a consistent drawn out phase of stablization. Its ALWAYS healing during a taper whether you feel that way or not.

And the lower you get, you should eventually stablize so that things become much easier. Tapers for me have always been hardest towards the begining. And the single most important thing is to go at YOUR PACE. Never some idiot dr. If hes not listening to you tell him to fuck off and find someone else who knows about benzo addiction. The last thing you need in situation like this is an incompetent doctor.

I wish you the BEST I really do all you need to do is keep breathing and be selfish during this time of your taper. I don't mean selfish as in getting high obviously I mean right now your wellbeing is number 1 and you really need to try to not let life get to you right now. Good luck and we will all be here to help you through this!
 
Well my doctor upped me to 15 mg of lib and put me on lyrica 25 3 times a day. I know that is next to nothing but he says he will up it if it agrees with me. Here's hoping lyrica does the trick, all If el now is a little tired. I feel like a made a step backwards by upping to 15 mg but oh well.
 
does anyone have an idea of what a good dosage of lyrica would be to actually help me, help me sleep and funtion etc? Cause I know 25 is just a placebo.
 
guys im concerned with long term use of lyrica. i have a feeling my doctor is gonna up me to 150 mg a day, but I am wondering how long i should stay on it? im not trying to gain 50 pounds and get stupid. i also slept funny last night, i like passed out but then i couldnt go back to sleep, and when i finally did go back to sleep at like 6 am it was in 2 or 3 minute inervals. id actually wake up every 2 or 3 minutes. needless to say i dont feel well today. What is a good length of time to stay on lyrica for the withdrawal? i dont think ive felt the full benefits cause im on such a low dose right now. Also, how long does lyrica withdrawal last? is is the same deal as benzos? thank you/
 
guys im concerned with long term use of lyrica. i have a feeling my doctor is gonna up me to 150 mg a day, but I am wondering how long i should stay on it? im not trying to gain 50 pounds and get stupid. i also slept funny last night, i like passed out but then i couldnt go back to sleep, and when i finally did go back to sleep at like 6 am it was in 2 or 3 minute inervals. id actually wake up every 2 or 3 minutes. needless to say i dont feel well today. What is a good length of time to stay on lyrica for the withdrawal? i dont think ive felt the full benefits cause im on such a low dose right now. Also, how long does lyrica withdrawal last? is is the same deal as benzos? thank you/

Your sleep issue sounds like your body just adjusting to less and less benzo over time, and is probably not related to the Lyrica...most likely not anyway.
 
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