Hi everyone. ve been tapering and now im dealing with a little under a half gram a day habit(.3-.4). I need to quit but i have classes all week and i work on the weekends so I need to get clean with as little pain as possible. I kicked powder(philly dope) before so im not new to opiates or w/ds. I dont know much about tar and unfortunately i dont have access to subs. I do have access to as many norco 10s as id need. What would you guys recommend i do to kick? Some kind of taper schedule would be greatly appreciated. I have no desire to get high anymore at all i just want off all opiates. Thanks
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Heroin help avoiding black tar wds
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NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
-Those Norco 10's will help, try to use them only when you really need them, otherwise they're going to prolong the WDs even more.
The best method (this is just like the sub taper) is to let yourself go into WDs from heroin, and then take one Norco, see if does anything to help your WDs, it should. If needed, break another one in half and bring your dose up to 15mg. APAP is something to think about, so don't just start shoving Norcos into your mouth, that will do more harm than good at this point.
Find out what amount of hydrocodone you need to ease the withdrawal symptoms and then work your way down from there, like a suboxone taper. That way, you're not in full-blown WD at any point, but instead in very mild WD throughout the taper. The nice thing about having those Norcos is you'll be able to split them into 5mg hydrocodone halves and 2.5mg hydrocodone halves.
I quit my first opiate habit (even though it was only hydrocodone) by tapering down until I got to 10mg, then 7.5mg, then 5mg for a while, then 2.5 for a few days, then down to nothing. Didn't feel any withdrawals at all except for the night sweats. Granted, I wasn't using any powerful opiates at that time so my experience was no doubt easier. My tolerance was lower then too, obviously.
I also recommend getting your hands on some loperamide, its dirt cheap and can really help with the physical part of the WDs, if the hydrocodone can't. It will also help you lower the hydrocodone dose quicker, if you so desire.
You can do it man, you've got a less powerful opiate with which to taper, and that's a step in the right direction. I'm not going to lay out a day-for-day taper plan because I find that they're very different depending on the person, their previous habit, what their taper drugs are, etc. There are lots of guys coming down/using opiates of all kinds down here in Other Drugs so we know what you're going through man, no worries.
Props are tapering your H dosage down prior to jumping into the hydrocodone taper.
Let me know if you need anything,
-NT
The best method (this is just like the sub taper) is to let yourself go into WDs from heroin, and then take one Norco, see if does anything to help your WDs, it should. If needed, break another one in half and bring your dose up to 15mg. APAP is something to think about, so don't just start shoving Norcos into your mouth, that will do more harm than good at this point.
Find out what amount of hydrocodone you need to ease the withdrawal symptoms and then work your way down from there, like a suboxone taper. That way, you're not in full-blown WD at any point, but instead in very mild WD throughout the taper. The nice thing about having those Norcos is you'll be able to split them into 5mg hydrocodone halves and 2.5mg hydrocodone halves.
I quit my first opiate habit (even though it was only hydrocodone) by tapering down until I got to 10mg, then 7.5mg, then 5mg for a while, then 2.5 for a few days, then down to nothing. Didn't feel any withdrawals at all except for the night sweats. Granted, I wasn't using any powerful opiates at that time so my experience was no doubt easier. My tolerance was lower then too, obviously.
I also recommend getting your hands on some loperamide, its dirt cheap and can really help with the physical part of the WDs, if the hydrocodone can't. It will also help you lower the hydrocodone dose quicker, if you so desire.
You can do it man, you've got a less powerful opiate with which to taper, and that's a step in the right direction. I'm not going to lay out a day-for-day taper plan because I find that they're very different depending on the person, their previous habit, what their taper drugs are, etc. There are lots of guys coming down/using opiates of all kinds down here in Other Drugs so we know what you're going through man, no worries.
Props are tapering your H dosage down prior to jumping into the hydrocodone taper.
Let me know if you need anything,
-NT
Bmore86
Greenlighter
The Norcos will definitely help. Have you even consider getting on suboxone? IMO, subs are the easiest way to get off hardcore opiates. That ways you'll be able to go to school and to work as well without having to suffer so badly. Do you live in Costa Mesa? I live very close by if you do, and there are many different suboxone doctors around the way. You should check them out. I went to a doctor in Westminster who had me in and out within 1 hr.
Just some thoughts...
Just some thoughts...
phr
Bluelighter
You're at about 3-4 bags of NE dope, if not less depending on the tar's strength.
At that point you don't really need to taper, as it'll be fairly manageable without any rx products.
Get some loperamide and try to tough it out with that. Otherwise, get a few Norco's and take as little as needed if you can't get through class/work without them.
At that point you don't really need to taper, as it'll be fairly manageable without any rx products.
Get some loperamide and try to tough it out with that. Otherwise, get a few Norco's and take as little as needed if you can't get through class/work without them.
chompy
Bluelighter
loperamide or immodium and some benedryl, some good bud and something to keep you busy.
ech0s85
Bluelighter
idk how good his tar is, but ive got a similar habit and only smoke it, and ill be throwing up after 15 hours so theres a good chance hell need subs or norcos.
BrokedownPalace
Bluelight Crew
Since you did taper a little bit, that certainly will benefit you. Obviously suboxone/methadone would be me my first recommendation to use for tapering, but you apparently don't have access.
But, since you have access to Norcos, those will do just fine. What you need to do is find the dose that will keep you off sick, and maintain at that for a few days. Then slowly drop your dose every couple of days, until you are down to like 5-10mg a day. The slower you do it the better. But, there is no free lunch with opiate addiction/detox. I'm in a similar boat, i'm about to try and kick methadone. Luckily I have access to as much suboxone as I need, klonopin, and short acting opiates during the transition.
It will be hard, but doable. Don't give up, don't give into temptation. Over in The Dark Side, is a good place to post if you find yourself down, and in a position where you feel like you might cave in.
Don't hesitate to PM me if you need some help with anythign specific, or just want to talk. There are a number of good threads dealing with tapering, detox, and also how to find rehabs/detox facilities.
Good luck !
But, since you have access to Norcos, those will do just fine. What you need to do is find the dose that will keep you off sick, and maintain at that for a few days. Then slowly drop your dose every couple of days, until you are down to like 5-10mg a day. The slower you do it the better. But, there is no free lunch with opiate addiction/detox. I'm in a similar boat, i'm about to try and kick methadone. Luckily I have access to as much suboxone as I need, klonopin, and short acting opiates during the transition.
It will be hard, but doable. Don't give up, don't give into temptation. Over in The Dark Side, is a good place to post if you find yourself down, and in a position where you feel like you might cave in.
Don't hesitate to PM me if you need some help with anythign specific, or just want to talk. There are a number of good threads dealing with tapering, detox, and also how to find rehabs/detox facilities.
Good luck !
Thank you for the advice everyone! People on this site are pretty helpful. I ended up caving and relapsing on dope but then i told myself i cant but i price on getting clean and got a script of subs. Bmore I actually found a doctor in westminister too and he was great. He also gave me a $75 off coupon
wow you must have some shitty dope.
3-4 bags a day of the detroit dope i was getting left me a miserable bed-ridden shaking sweat-dripping puddle of sick for DAYS
edit: no question it could be (and has been for me) worse, but i personally would not have the strength to remain abstinent during a CT if i had the means to cop.
^ touche'
I lived in phoenix and alot of (not all) the tar is les potent. I am on day four of detoxing off D dope right now. Luckily I was able to taper down to a managable wd or I dont think I could have done it without subs. Feelin pretty good today though.
Anyways man good luck!
I lived in phoenix and alot of (not all) the tar is les potent. I am on day four of detoxing off D dope right now. Luckily I was able to taper down to a managable wd or I dont think I could have done it without subs. Feelin pretty good today though.
Anyways man good luck!
OEandricearoni
Bluelighter
I feel you man. Even when i had a mild habit (.2-.3g a day) i still was feeling like hell after 12 hours with no dope. I actually found that my WD symptoms didn't differ a huge amount depending on how big my habit was. The withdrawals i was going through when i was doing close to a gram a day weren't really that much worse than the withdrawals i would get when my habit was much smaller
....maybe that's just me though. People do have a habit of believing whatever pain they are in that moment is the worst pain they have ever had
god, the worst was when i had about that exact habit and i had to go to the czech republic for a job. i smuggled some with me just to get through the long flights but when i got there i was way sicker than i thought i would be. thank god i went to a doctor and was able to talk my way into being prescribed OC 40s after a couple days of hell. that made the rest of the month pretty alright :D