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Heart Attack Vs Drug Abuse

DrugFuckedNZ

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My brother inlaw just had a heart attack and survived after having surgery etc.

Everybody was sympathetic to his condition, which was self inflicted as he was very obese, 300 pounds and a real hard core foodie.

My question is:
If he overdosed due to a drug overdose, would everyone be so sympathetic and worried especially if he was found with a needle in his arm and rushed to hospital?

Because food abuse is not taboo in the community and self inflicted diseases like diabetes and heart disease don't seem to be frowned upon like drug abuse.

Your opinions please.
 
That's because, in general, they don't have quite as negative an effect on society. No one is knocking over a liquor store for their ho-ho fix. I'm not saying its right or wrong. It is what it is.
 
I tore an artery in my neck and that caused me to have to have a stroke. When the doctors asked me what drugs i had done in the last year I told them i had snorted a small amount cocaine several months before stroke, their attitude changed. Even though my medical problems had nothing to do with drugs, i was put in a sort of class of "victim of drugs". I would imagine the medical community are generally asses to people who OD.
 
I tore an artery in my neck and that caused me to have to have a stroke. When the doctors asked me what drugs i had done in the last year I told them i had snorted a small amount cocaine several months before stroke, their attitude changed. Even though my medical problems had nothing to do with drugs, i was put in a sort of class of "victim of drugs". I would imagine the medical community are generally asses to people who OD.
how did you tear an artery

and no OP they wouldnt
theyd probably shun him and talk shit behind his back because people are scum
 
i think people look at over eaters in almost exactly the same way as drug addicts. Perhaps even worse because food is like smoking crack, keep chasing that initial high and you can only feel good from food as you are eating it and it's definitely worse to be mobidly obese than to be a crack head in terms of physical harm. that's how i see it anyway.

In Canada, with our health care system, people like this are frowned upon because they are draining valuable resources that others need. Especially older obese people, way too fucking many of them. You can tell a Dr. that you lost 200 lbs with methamphetamine and he'll be like, 'that's great, though i don't condone the use of methamphetamine!'

i guess regular people would be more sympathetic to the food addict than the drug addict but it's the same fucking thing. Obese people certainly are more ostracized than most drug users though, as it's hard to tell if someone is a drug addict or not unless they are homeless and have a needle in their arm. It's not socially acceptable here to be obese and then to over eat yourself into diabetes. no one is going to feel sorry for that person, so i guess no sympathy for either group, or just slightly higher sympathy for the food addict that caused themselves issues.

it's like someone who chops off their leg for no reason; are you really going to feel sorry for that person? unless they are mentally ill, i won't.
 
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Essentially youre asking: are people more sympathetic to food abuse or drug abuse?

The answer would be food abuse.

No idea where this thread will go but 9 times out of 10 theres no sympathy for a drug abuser/addict.
 
in the case where a person dies from food abuse or drug abuse, i think at least the families are sympathetic. To the outsider, i'm not sure, either way both groups should have sympathy as they have severe issues that underlay their disorders. I don't know why it's ingrained into me but i get disgusted seeing a 300 lb person throw down double cheeseburgers until infinity and then feel bad about it afterwards. JUST STOP FUCKING EATING, but you can say the same thing to a drug user too i guess but at least drugs get you high.
 
I don't know why it's ingrained into me but i get disgusted seeing a 300 lb person throw down double cheeseburgers until infinity and then feel bad about it afterwards.

what is the difference between that and a drug addict spending their last $40 on a couple bags of dope, even though they know they shouldn't, but man it's gonna feel so good, [man, this is gonna taste so good] and it's just gonna be this one last time [just this last cheeseburger] then I'll quit, I swear [then I'll go on a diet, I swear...]

the only two differences I can think of -
1) drugs are illegal, and cheeseburgers are not (even though one's like McDonald's should be - I'd be more than willing to bet that the negative health aspects of a McDonald-filled diet are just as detrimental, if not more, than most illegal drugs).
2) a lot of people who eat aren't doing it behind garbage bins, in dark alleyways, in their rooms with their door shut, slunked down in the front seat of the car with eyes darting around to make sure nobody's going to catch them eat that cheeseburger...
hell, maybe they should make a McDopers - tourinquets instead of ketchup packets, needles instead of french fries, and a number 5 with a coca-cola gets you a big fat speedball - everyone sitting around at the booths with a tray in front of them of their precious dope, nodding out in their own drool...

I think I'd rather see an overweight person eat a hamburger.


JUST STOP FUCKING EATING, but you can say the same thing to a drug user too i guess but at least drugs get you high.

ahh...but food gets you high, too. Did you know that dairy products that come from milk actually contain morphine? Especially cheese. Chocolate is addictive and gets you high, too.



"University of Michigan researchers showed that chocolate does not merely tickle your taste buds; it actually works inside your brain in much the same way opiate drugs do. The researchers gave 26 volunteers a drug called naloxone, an opiate-blocker used in emergency rooms to stop heroin, morphine, and other narcotics from affecting the brain. It turned out that naloxone blocked much of chocolate’s appeal. When they offered volunteers a tray filled with Snicker’s bars, M & M’s, chocolate chip cookies, and Oreos, chocolate was not much more exciting than a crust of dry bread.

In other words, chocolate’s attraction does not come simply from its creamy texture or deep brown color. It appears to stimulate the same part of the brain that morphine acts on. For all intents and purposes, it is a drug—not necessarily a bad one and not a terribly strong one, but powerful enough nonetheless to keep us coming back for more.

As common as chocolate addiction may be, it is by no means the only potentially addictive food, nor is it the most dangerous. In PCRM’s research studies, when we take people off meat, dairy products, and other unhealthy fare, we often find that the desire for cheese, in particular, lingers on much more strongly than for other foods. While they might like ice cream or yogurt, they describe their feelings for cheese as a deep-seated craving.

In 1981, Eli Hazum and his colleagues at Wellcome Research Laboratories in Research Triangle Park, N.C., reported a remarkable discovery. Analyzing samples of cow’s milk, they found traces of a chemical that looked very much like morphine. They put it to one chemical test after another. And, finally, they arrived at the conclusion that, in fact, it is morphine. But there is indeed some morphine in both cow’s milk and human milk.

Morphine, of course, is an opiate and is highly addictive. So how did it get into milk? At first, the researchers theorized that it must have come from the cows’ diets. After all, morphine used in hospitals comes from poppies and is also produced naturally by a few other plants that the cows might have been eating. But it turns out that cows actually produce it within their bodies, just as poppies do. Traces of morphine, along with codeine and other opiates, are apparently produced in cows’ livers and end up in their milk.

But that was only the beginning, as other researchers soon found. Cow’s milk—or the milk of any other species, for that matter—contains a protein called casein that breaks apart during digestion to release a whole host of opiates called casomorphins. A cup of cow’s milk contains about six grams of casein. Skim milk contains a bit more, and casein is concentrated in the production of cheese.

If you examined a casein molecule under a powerful microscope, it would look like a long chain of beads (the “beads” are amino acids—simple building blocks that combine to make up all the proteins in your body). When you drink a glass of milk or eat a slice of cheese, stomach acid and intestinal bacteria snip the casein molecular chains into casomorphins of various lengths. One of them, a short string made up of just five amino acids, has about one-tenth the pain-killing potency of morphine.

What are these opiates doing there, hidden in milk proteins? It appears that the opiates from mother’s milk produce a calming effect on the infant and, in fact, may be responsible for a good measure of the mother-infant bond. No, it’s not all lullabies and cooing. Psychological bonds always have a physical underpinning. Like it or not, mother’s milk has a drug-like effect on the baby’s brain that ensures that the baby will bond with Mom and continue to nurse and get the nutrients all babies need. Like heroin or codeine, casomorphins slow intestinal movements and have a decided antidiarrheal effect. The opiate effect may be why adults often find that cheese can be constipating, just as opiate painkillers are.

French researchers fed skim milk and yogurt to volunteers and found that, sure enough, casein fragments do pass into the bloodstream. They reach their peak about 40 minutes after eating. Cheese contains far more casein than other dairy products do. As milk is turned into cheese, most of its water, whey proteins, and lactose sugar are removed, leaving behind concentrated casein and fat.

Cheese holds other drug-like compounds as well. It contains an amphetamine-like chemical called phenylethylamine, or PEA, which is also found in chocolate and sausage. And there are many hormones and other compounds in cheese and other dairy products whose functions are not yet understood. In naloxone tests, the opiate-blocking drug eliminates some of cheese’s appeal, just as it does for chocolate.

Cheese consumption in the U.S. rose from 15 pounds per person per year in 1975 to more than 30 pounds in 1999. And you can thank the federal government. The USDA Report to Congress on the Dairy Promotion Programs for the year 2000 described how the government and industry worked with fast-food chains to make sure that cheese was prominently displayed in menu items. One federally sanctioned program launched Wendy’s Cheddar Lover’s Bacon Cheeseburger, which single-handedly pushed 2.25 million pounds of cheese during the promotion period. Another promoted Pizza Hut’s “Ultimate Cheese Pizza”—with an entire pound of cheese per pizza—selling five million pounds of it during a six-week promotion in 2000. And in 1996, cheese was not a required ingredient in Subway sandwiches. So a similar federal program helped the restaurant chain promote cheese and include it as a required ingredient in two new sandwiches, the Chicken Cordon Blue and Honey Pepper Melt, anticipating the sale of an extra 70,000 pounds of cheese.

At a “Cheese Forum” held on Dec. 5, 2000, Dick Cooper, the Vice President of Cheese Marketing for Dairy Management, Inc., showed slide after slide detailing the industry’s plans for pushing cheese in grocery chains, food services, and fast-food restaurants.

One slide asked the question “What do we want our marketing program to do?”

...and then gave the answer: “Trigger the cheese craving.” "

- physicans committee for responsible medicine - pcrm.org



so. put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
I agree with the general consensus that most people will probably have more sympathy for someone who has a heart attack or develops diabetes due to over-eating. Unless the majority of your family has a drug problem, that is. I honestly could not say how the medical community would feel (generally speaking). IME, they tend to dislike drug addicts-or at least me, but I really havn't observed how they react to those with a weight problem. I wouldn't be surprised if they are cruel to them as well, though they'll still get pain medication for their triple-bypasse surgery.
 
what is the difference between that and a drug addict spending their last $40 on a couple bags of dope, even though they know they shouldn't, but man it's gonna feel so good, [man, this is gonna taste so good] and it's just gonna be this one last time [just this last cheeseburger] then I'll quit, I swear [then I'll go on a diet, I swear...]

I think I'd rather see an overweight person eat a hamburger.

ahh...but food gets you high, too. Did you know that dairy products that come from milk actually contain morphine? Especially cheese. Chocolate is addictive and gets you high, too.

lol that's really interesting about morphine being found in cow/human milk. Now i just need to buy a shit load of cows and isolate the morphine or create a farm of pregnant women.

I never said it was rational that i viewed over eaters that way, just that it has been ingrained into me through society, the media and social interactions. I'm a drug user, so i'm obviously going to side with the drug addict as i relate to them more so than the food addict.

I highly doubt eating 10 cheeseburgers will get you anywhere near as high as a shot of morphine lol that's the difference for me. Food does release dopamine, probably other shit too and people like that little comfortable feeling but whenever i see a food addict i think, "you should fucking try methamphetamine!" that little shit high they get from eating food pales in comparison to methamphetamine or any other drug that causes euphoria. The high lasts way longer too and is probably even cheaper, exception being crack which i think is analogous to food addiction.

My point was really that food abuse and drug abuse are one in the same really. The distinction between food and drug isn't that strong. I get that people use food as drugs but IMO, food is like one of the shittiest drugs ever (though it contains drugs, chemicals whatever). So if you're going to send yourself down a path of hell and misery, why not go for the path that provides the most euphoria at least?

this is a silly argument anyway as neither are bright ideas lol but it's just how i view it, irrationally and because I am a drug user, i find it hard to relate to an over eater despite understanding that it's in essence the same as drug abuse.

if you could gather me some of that milk morphine and put it in my pipe, i'll gladly smoke it.

y u so defensive tho? u wouldn't happen to shove cheeseburgers down your throat would you?
 
^^^I didn't mean for the post to be defensive, and I didn't mean to direct it necessairily at you, either - it's just what I quoted to create kind of a dialogue of sorts, I guess?
and the "put that in ur pipe and smoke it" wasn't directed at you either...it was just cliche, like "chew on this..." or "milk...the other other white meat" or something stupid. Sorry if it came off as defensive/directed to you, didn't intend to do that.

I agree with everything you said above - and to answer your question, no - I don't shove cheeseburgers down my throat. I am a regular speed user, so the only thing I'm really stuffing in my mouth is tube sausage smothered in boxers...

I was also going to say how the way you are disgusted when seeing an overweight person eating cheeseburgers is ingrained into you by society - just like you said - but I would have gone on an even longer tangent than I already did, and my posts tend to get a little lengthy sometimes, lol....
 
IMHO, absolutely disgusting. Just as unhealthy and dangerous, same mental game, except one is okay and one isn't

If he did drugs and had a heart attack, he'd likely be disowned "busted, you're a horrible disgusting person"

Instead, "you poor baby, maybe think about eating a little less okay?"
 
^^^I didn't mean for the post to be defensive, and I didn't mean to direct it necessairily at you, either - it's just what I quoted to create kind of a dialogue of sorts, I guess?
and the "put that in ur pipe and smoke it" wasn't directed at you either...it was just cliche, like "chew on this..." or "milk...the other other white meat" or something stupid. Sorry if it came off as defensive/directed to you, didn't intend to do that.

I agree with everything you said above - and to answer your question, no - I don't shove cheeseburgers down my throat. I am a regular speed user, so the only thing I'm really stuffing in my mouth is tube sausage smothered in boxers...

I was also going to say how the way you are disgusted when seeing an overweight person eating cheeseburgers is ingrained into you by society - just like you said - but I would have gone on an even longer tangent than I already did, and my posts tend to get a little lengthy sometimes, lol....

haha no worries i was just fuckin around. i like speed too, maybe we can be friends, though i'm not a big fan of sausage.
 
I don't like speed, or "man meat", but I'm a fat drug addict, so this thread speaks to me on many levels...
 
Imo, it depends on the over-eater. For whatever reason, I generally find fat folks endearing :) Maybe cos my sweet grandma weighed around 250 lbs, yet was barely five feet tall... I dunno, most fat persons, ime anyway, aren't aggressive or selfish and I get along well with most of them. I know this is completely subjective, but it's been my experience with over-eaters so far so I felt like throwing in my 2 cents. Of course, some fat fucks are just gluttons with no outstanding qualities... But the average obese overeating food addict, ime, is a lot funnier to be around than your average fiending coke, meth or dope addict. For me it seems pretty obvious.. Like Robotripping tho, I admit that I do find it a tad disgusting to watch a morbidly overweight person having a fucking 8000-calorie lunch...
 
but whenever i see a food addict i think, "you should fucking try methamphetamine!" that little shit high they get from eating food pales in comparison to methamphetamine or any other drug that causes euphoria. The high lasts way longer too and is probably even cheaper, exception being crack which i think is analogous to food addiction.

I think it's probably a bit different, since I used to enjoy eating a bit much at one point of my life. I'd say though that it can't be a bad idea as obesity is probably worse than using meth to get out of a severe case of obesity.
 
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