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Health benefits of Whey protein *merged*

Originally posted by Anarchofascist
...You can do about that well with tuna if you get the light (eww). Not quite as good with the solid white albacore we all know and love, $30 will get you closer to 5-600 grams of protein.


Is tuna safe to consume on a regular basis? I was under the impression that the mercury content was bit high to eat all the time as a major protein source. (then again, i don't eat meat, so its not something i spend a lot of time reading about)
 
Quiet, you! The mercury gives me superpowers like the Silver Surfer.

~~~Oh mercy mercy me. Oh things ain't what they used to be oh no~~~~

Anyway, I don't necessarily recommend just getting protein from tuna -- or from any one source, really, I used it as an example because it is A: almost all protein and B: cheap. I don't even recommend against protein shakes. I just think a high quality complete protein is a high quality complete protein (sorry, vegans), and comparing them based on how fast they are broken into amino acids and the like is more complicated than necessary.

I also don't really think that more than 1g/lb is necessary, but that's really a different argument. WITHOUT enhancing your protein intake, if you're trying to build muscle, it just won't work as well. There is, though, a point of diminishing returns where your body isn't utilizing the amino acids in the protein, just burning it for calories and even if you don't think that can cause liver or kidney stress, you sure could save a lot of money if you made those calories carbohydrates.
 
Anarchofascist said:
Quiet, you! The mercury gives me superpowers like the Silver Surfer.

~~~Oh mercy mercy me. Oh things ain't what they used to be oh no~~~~

Anyway, I don't necessarily recommend just getting protein from tuna -- or from any one source, really, I used it as an example because it is A: almost all protein and B: cheap. I don't even recommend against protein shakes. I just think a high quality complete protein is a high quality complete protein (sorry, vegans), and comparing them based on how fast they are broken into amino acids and the like is more complicated than necessary.

I also don't really think that more than 1g/lb is necessary, but that's really a different argument. WITHOUT enhancing your protein intake, if you're trying to build muscle, it just won't work as well. There is, though, a point of diminishing returns where your body isn't utilizing the amino acids in the protein, just burning it for calories and even if you don't think that can cause liver or kidney stress, you sure could save a lot of money if you made those calories carbohydrates.
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I think that we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think that hyperaminoacidemia is important because when there is an excess of amino acids in the blood, they have to be cleared to somewhere, and your body directs them to damaged muscle tissue. To me this isn't really important any time other than post-workout when you need to get a high amount of aminos to your muscles quickly. Buuuut, maybe it works for you just fine to not use whey, I mean, hell we all work a little differently from the next guy.

And also, though 1g/lb is the "standard", it really kind of depends on your own body and metabolism. I know HUGE guys that eat as little as .25-.5g/lb and I also know guys who need 3-4g/lb in order to grow. I do agree about the money thing though: meat ain't cheap.
 
fizzacyst said:
Originally posted by Anarchofascist
...You can do about that well with tuna if you get the light (eww). Not quite as good with the solid white albacore we all know and love, $30 will get you closer to 5-600 grams of protein.


Is tuna safe to consume on a regular basis? I was under the impression that the mercury content was bit high to eat all the time as a major protein source. (then again, i don't eat meat, so its not something i spend a lot of time reading about)
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All of the studies of tuna-induced mercury poisoning were done on elderly people and pregnant women. I've never noticed a problem and usually eat tuna 3-4 times a week, so I honestly don't think it's an issue.
 
No I have nothing do to with, nor any affiliation with bilz0r....other than the fact that I've seen him post before.

I think all of you nay-sayers would have better results from your fitness routine through more protein ingestion (maybe not 1g/lb...but i'd say you should do atleast .7g/lb no matter what you are training for). Yes, bodybuilders do take steroids, atleast some of them...have you heard of natural body builders? They do exist, and there are competitions for them to compete in. Do you want to guess how much protein they eat per day? I would gander atleast 2g/lb+ body weight, and that is a low estimation (as in, I can almost guarantee I guestimated too low).

Protein is the building block of your cells, they can't function without it, and tests have shown that muscle's respond best when supplied with a good constant supply of protein. That of course isn't all that's needed, but we are on the subject of protein here.
 
it's amazing how some people just express opinions as if they were fact.

Personally I have done some reading and there's plenty research that suggests that plant based protein (algae, and, yes, also soy) has VERY beneficial porperties. L-Carnitine is the only thing that may be lacking.

Also, if you do a high protein diet and replace veg-based carb with stuff like the Atkins diet, you will totally over-acidify your system and your organs, most of all your kidneys, WILL suffer for it.

I have no doubts whatsoever about this but will not elaborate. Do your own reading.

I am not writing this because I want to be rightm but because I want anyone flirting with a high-protein diet to think again and consider all the information out there.

BTW, it is true that whey protein is very good, dissolves easily and is easy to digest. Goat whey is even better but hard to find.
 
Regarding whey protein , should I be mixing it with 2% milk or water? When I mix it with water its frickin disgusting and really hard to get down. I usually take a normal water bottle that you would buy a 24 of, put 2 scoops( 1 dosage = 40 grams, 160 cals, .4 grams of fat) and top it off with milk and drink if immediately after my workout, is this a good way of going about this?
 
I agree that water makes a whey protein shake taste disgusting. I mix it with skim milk. Just note, that if you are counting calories, protein, carbs, etc, to adjust your numbers accordingly.
 
i've started exercising a lot more recently, and i've had great results using "GOATEIN" from the company garden of life. it's goat's milk protein. when i use it my muscles stay sore for a lot shorter period after a good workout and i feel like i'm gaining strength very quickly. i'm allergic to whey, so whey protein is out of the question. i've also had great results with spirulina...
 
Anarchofascist said:
I find it difficult to believe that the protein found in muscle tissue near identical to our own doesn't contain a good approximation of the mix of the amino acids necessary to build muscle tissue.
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i agree with the 1g/lb or less, ive been to both ends of that spectrum, 500g+ and 50g, i look back now and think about how much i used to eat and it was really stupid, you can push your body into that food furnace state but you dont need it, i made 9-10 meals a day and never went more than 1.5-2hrs in between and basically never left my kitchen, protein, protein, protein

i had to fall right to sleep or else id have to eat again, id wake up starving, i used to dream, day and night, of having a personal chef and attaining that lifestyle, everything i thought revolved around hitting my meals, "oh i need this cooler on the flight, im hypoglycemic", im not a fan of bars and shakes, i think thats garbage, eat some real meals, get your calories and lift heavy, youll grow, youll bang into doorways cause theyre small and the walls will shake, youll find yourself reducing everything to physical competiton, "could i beat him in a footrace? could i throw a ball farther than he?"

i pushed my body internally and externally to the limit, well what happens if you redline a car for a long time? 10 years later im a hundred pounds lighter, my joints hurt like hell and i have ibs, id say try not to overdo it

oh ya, my point was animal meat is super hard for humans to digest, look at a gorilla, eats fucking leaves, 400lbs of muscle and like %4 bf, human flesh is the ideal protein for humans, soylent green is made out of people
 
Calcium lost due to high protein diets must be handled by the kidneys, which contributes to the formation of painful kidney stones. Excess protein causes destruction of kidney tissue and progressive deterioration of kidney function. Many people in affluent societies have lost 75 percent of their kidney function by the eighth decade of their lives. Extra kidney capacity enables the kidney to carry out its function in otherwise healthy people, but for people who suffer from additional diseases related to the kidney, such as diabetes, surgical loss, or injury from toxic substances, damage due to the excess protein may be fatal. When people with partial loss or damage to their kidneys are placed on low-protein diets, they are able to maintain much of their remaining kidney function.
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-From http://www.jewishveg.com/schwartz/pcmyths.html (While this is about certain myths, the section quoted is NOT one of the myths, according to this article)
 
njx said:
Regarding whey protein , should I be mixing it with 2% milk or water? When I mix it with water its frickin disgusting and really hard to get down. I usually take a normal water bottle that you would buy a 24 of, put 2 scoops( 1 dosage = 40 grams, 160 cals, .4 grams of fat) and top it off with milk and drink if immediately after my workout, is this a good way of going about this?
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Bad tasting protein shakes are the result of low quality powder. High quality whey protein isolate is very light and easy to ingest with no stomach discomfort or anything, and almost always tastes pretty good.

Also, drinking milk after your workout isn't a very good idea as it seriously slows digestion at a time when you want rapid protein synthesis and a rapid spike in insulin. Mix it with water, or better yet, some dextrose, water and r-ALA.
 
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