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Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

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Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism.

If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or it's various offshoots in Protestantism or Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

The two main differences that moved the old Christians to kill Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures and the fact that the Gnostic version of Jesus was a Universalist.

That Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, (there are likely as many Gnostic sects as Christian sects), sees a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest.

If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people. Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion.

As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually bury the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults as their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under.

If you have investigated Gnostic Christianity, do you agree that from a moral POV, they are the superior Christian theology thanks to equality and Universalism?

Regards
DL
 
Neither does Christianity and Islam discriminating without just cause against all those who do not have a dick.

Regards
DL
 
As i remember it, gnostic dualism is often stated as 'matter is evil and spirit is good', which i could see as a similar metaphor to schopenhaur or Buddha's ideas, though often it seems to express as more down to earth dualism, with all the issues that brings (eg 'we're in touch with spirit so we're good; they're not so they're evil (or less good)'

I like a lot of the ideas dotted around the gnostic and the hermetic tradition - i don't see any need to attach myself to any particular sect to get the benefit though; or to jesus for that matter.

There's a lot of crossover between these ideas and eastern religions, which is not coincidental.
 
Vurtual said:
As i remember it, gnostic dualism is often stated as 'matter is evil and spirit is good', which i could see as a similar metaphor to schopenhaur or Buddha's ideas, though often it seems to express as more down to earth dualism, with all the issues that brings (eg 'we're in touch with spirit so we're good; they're not so they're evil (or less good)'

I like a lot of the ideas dotted around the gnostic and the hermetic tradition - i don't see any need to attach myself to any particular sect to get the benefit though; or to jesus for that matter.

There's a lot of crossover between these ideas and eastern religions, which is not coincidental.
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Today, we think a lot better of matter. I think we did back when as well but much was burned by Christianity.

We believe that we have a spark of God within all of us. We are matter and if we have the kingdom of God within us, then matter is obviously quite important to us.

Let me remind you that it is Christian tradition and dogma that has God cursing the material world in Eden and not the Gnostic version.

That aside though, they are all myths and should be thought of that way and should not be read literally.

Regards
DL
 
Totally fair point, and i have read plenty of brilliant and nuanced stuff within the tradition (much richer than normal christianity).

There's also the mystical aspect of gnostic tradition - as i understand it, usually kept secret as an intiate tradtion (meaning the writings often seem weird) - can we really be sure that we know anything about what the original gnostics got up to in their secret rituals? (i mean do you think you know roughly? (and what is the provenance of this knowledge? (not doubting, really interested)).

Also what do you see as the heritage of the gnostics? (if anything) - plato, hinduism, buddhism, a mix, or none of them (ie originated in jesus)?
 
Vurtual said:
Totally fair point, and i have read plenty of brilliant and nuanced stuff within the tradition (much richer than normal christianity).

There's also the mystical aspect of gnostic tradition - as i understand it, usually kept secret as an intiate tradtion (meaning the writings often seem weird) - can we really be sure that we know anything about what the original gnostics got up to in their secret rituals? (i mean do you think you know roughly? (and what is the provenance of this knowledge? (not doubting, really interested)).

Also what do you see as the heritage of the gnostics? (if anything) - plato, hinduism, buddhism, a mix, or none of them (ie originated in jesus)?
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The secrets were never secret in todays sense.
Just the marketing and science that the temples used to compete against each other were secret.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BHvN6rZZA

The preachers and Rabbis' like Jesus did have parables for the more simple minded and a more complicated delivery for his inside men.

The secrets may just have been just looking at reality from a realistic view instead of simple parables.

The bibles Jesus definitely has an esoteric or mystical bend but you will not hear the churches speak of it.

Matthew6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thywhole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: andmy Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode withhim.

Luke 17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of Godis within you.

Romans8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to theimage of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Churches never teach what Jesus did.

Here is the teaching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Here is how some actualize it and gain apotheosis and insight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

Regards
DL
 
I did start reading up on Gnosticism and Hermeticism after becoming interested in the occult some years ago, although it's been a while since my research in that area. How did you first become interested in the Gnostic teachings?
 
egalitarian in the standard anthropological/sociological sense means equality. Total equality. Only foraging cultures have ever been egalitarian.
 
Sandbwoy said:
I did start reading up on Gnosticism and Hermeticism after becoming interested in the occult some years ago, although it's been a while since my research in that area. How did you first become interested in the Gnostic teachings?
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I was introduced to Gnostic Christianity through Elaine Pagels books on the issue.

I have always been a free thinker and argued against Christian morality.

Gnostic Christianity seemed a more honest religion and it's Universalism is logical if there is to be a God at all. We show a God who ends up a winners along with the mankind he created instead of the loser that Christianity has saddled itself with. A loser of a God who loses most of the souls he creates to a hell.

Regards
DL
 
Mysterie said:
whats your religious practice? do you pray the rosary or something?
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Matthew6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thywhole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: andmy Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode withhim.

Luke 17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of Godis within you.

Romans8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to theimage of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This thinking is the Gnostic Christian’s goal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethrento Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

Regards
DL
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
egalitarian in the standard anthropological/sociological sense means equality. Total equality. Only foraging cultures have ever been egalitarian.
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I call for the equality that most recognize but a Gnostic Christian will bring the law of the sea to land and we know that we should start with equality for sure, --- and then raise women and children ahead of us men as their just deserts. It is our duty to elevate that family unit with women at the head, They are the main nurturers of children.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
I was introduced to Gnostic Christianity through Elaine Pagels books on the issue.

I have always been a free thinker and argued against Christian morality.

Gnostic Christianity seemed a more honest religion and it's Universalism is logical if there is to be a God at all. We show a God who ends up a winners along with the mankind he created instead of the loser that Christianity has saddled itself with. A loser of a God who loses most of the souls he creates to a hell.

Regards
DL
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Personally I've never been the religious type but I always keep an open mind. This post makes more sense than any other Christian belief I've read about.
 
Sandbwoy said:
Personally I've never been the religious type but I always keep an open mind. This post makes more sense than any other Christian belief I've read about.
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Nice to hear.

Gnostic Christians do not have to discard their logic and reason and replace them with faith.

Faith without facts is for fools and if any truth is to be found in any religion, then logic and reason must be applicable to them.

To build a theology purely on woo is foolish.

Regards
DL
 
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