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Hash/Extracts and Anxiety/Paranoia

HighonLife said:
wal-mart sells 91%

some CVS's and Wal-greens sell 91%

if u want 99% it can be purchased offline

but even with 70% it really doesnt matter it just means 30% is water. water wont hurt your product it will just take longer to evaporate
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It will make your extract less pure. THC is not water soluble, but a lot of the unnecessary and undesirable stuff is.

HighonLife said:
Butane Honey Oil

its a form of hash that uses a solvent (butane)

IMO BHO is better then ISO hash and better then bubble bag hash but thats just MO

some people prefer bubble bag hash cuz you arent using solvents your just using water

but i purge my final product well and am confident the majority of the Butane is evaporated

if one were to use the same strain of buds from the same harvest, BHO would undoubtedly be more potent then even the 73mcn or 90mcn bag bubble hash.

BHO has the potential to be the most potent form of hash around. as i stated some people dont care about the potency and shun BHO cuz of the butane

but the way i look at; if u smoke weed with a lighter, your inhaling more combusted butane then i am when i smoke my BHO of coals

if you google BHO you will find some info
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I know what butane honey oil is and how to make it with a pvc pipe with a small hole on each end, turn the can upside down and drain all of the gas to liquid which boils at room temp and evaps off after after honey oil comes out. I just wasnt making the connection to BHO. Never saw it refereed to that and couldn't noodle out the acna for some reason.
 
Moral Decay said:
It will make your extract less pure. THC is not water soluble, but a lot of the unnecessary and undesirable stuff is.


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This came up the other day in another thread

im not sayin your wrong or that i disagree but...

could you explain what in weed would be water soluble but not soluble in alcohol?

cuz if it is soluble in alcohol, regardless of the water, it will be in the product. amiright?

PS sorry for being so damn longwinded in my response to your ? about BHO. also its better not to use PVC pipe, stainless steal turkey baster is the best bet for jerry riggin a BHO tube
 
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weekend addiction said:
I have never gotten paranoid from resin or kief. But bud doesn't usually make me paranoid either.
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Alot of long term smokers get to a point where even a single puff of headies will wig them out with irrational thoughts and it get's to a point where you have too quit weed because you cannot have a relaxing high.

Now everyones different and five years ago I would have laughed at the idea of pot wigging me out but it gets most hardcore smokers in the end.
 
HighonLife said:
This came up the other day in another thread

im not sayin your wrong or that i disagree but...

could you explain what in weed would be water soluble but not soluble in alcohol?

cuz if it is soluble in alcohol, regardless of the water, it will be in the product. amiright?

PS sorry for being so damn longwinded in my response to your ? about BHO. also its better not to use PVC pipe, stainless steal turkey baster is the best bet for jerry riggin a BHO tube
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doing minimal research i found this from erowid:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_chemistry2.shtml
In a previous version of this file, I recommended ethyl alcohol as the
menstruum (solvent) for the initial extraction. However, after further reading
and experimentation, I now recommend acetone instead of alcohol. THC's
solubility in acetone is, it would seem, much greater than with any other
solvent (except for petroleum ether, which we use in stage 2 to purify this
first-stage oil). The reason? Alcohols are too water soluble for the best
possible purity, and too many other non-psychoactive materials remain in the
finished oil. In the interest of brevity, and to save wear and tear on your
obedient typist's fingers, it's your own responsibility when reading the
following to substitute "acetone" wherever you see "alcohol" used.
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from more research(if others can help update this list it would be great, I am finding this very time consuming); the list of compounds found in cannabis (some listed with soluability):

(-)-[delta 1]-3,4-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol (most active cannabinoid) = THC has a very low solubility in water, but good solubility polar solvents, acetone, alcohols
(-)-[delta 6]-3,4-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol= THC has a very low solubility in water, but good solubility in polar solvents, acetone, alcohols
tetrahydrocannabitriol (aka cannabitriol)
cannabidiolic acid
cannabidiol CBD= insoluble in water but soluble in acetone, petroleum distillates, alcohols.
cannabinol CBN (forms after plant dies)= soluble in acetone, petroleum distillates, alcohols, aqueous alkaline

THC acids A and B (inactive unless smoked)

Minor constituents:

cannabigerol
cannabigerolic acid
cannabichromene
cannabichromenic acid
cannabicyclol (aka cannabipinol)
cannabicyclolic acid
cannabicitran
cannabielsoic acids A and B
cannabinolic acid (neutral cannabinoid)
cannabichromanon
cannabifuran
dehydrocannabifuran
2-oxo-[delta 3]-tetrahydrocannabinol
cannabigerol monomethyl ether
cannabidiol monomethyl ether
cannabinol methyl ether
propylcannabidiol (aka cannabidivarol & cannabidivarin)
propylcannabinol (aka cannabivarol & cannabivarin)
propyl-[delta 1]-THC (aka [delta 1]-tetrahydrocannabivarol & tetrahydrocannabivarin)
propylcannabigerol
propylcannabicyclol
propylcannabichromene
methylcannabidiol (aka cannabidiorcol)
methylcannabinol (aka cannabiorcol)
methyl-[delta 1]-THC (aka [delta 1]-tetrahydrocannabiorcol)
[delta 1]-tetrahydrocannabivarolic acid

Nitrogen-containing compounds:

choline
trigonelline
muscarine
piperidine
N-(p-hydroxy-B-phenylethyl)-p-hydroxy-trans-cinnamide
neurine
L-proline
L-isoleucine betaine
hordenine

source:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info2.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/faq_otc_solvents.shtml
 
Butane Honey oil is way cleaner than iso oil, gives better yields, the butane is piss easy to get (ventti gas is the bes IMO, they sell it at pak'n'save), and is way safer to make (no extrenal heat sources required around your highly flammable vapours!) if you go to a plumbing supply place and spend a little bit of money on making a decent extraction tube you'll have yourself a quality reusable tool, so worth it in the long run. I made one out of PVC pipe and end caps. I have a feeling PVC might not be so great to use with solvents though, try and get HDPE pipe.
 
nemesys said:
Butane Honey oil is way cleaner than iso oil, gives better yields, the butane is piss easy to get (ventti gas is the bes IMO, they sell it at pak'n'save), and is way safer to make (no extrenal heat sources required around your highly flammable vapours!) if you go to a plumbing supply place and spend a little bit of money on making a decent extraction tube you'll have yourself a quality reusable tool, so worth it in the long run. I made one out of PVC pipe and end caps. I have a feeling PVC might not be so great to use with solvents though, try and get HDPE pipe.
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there is no heat involved with iso oil. You let it dry in a ventilated room. no one is suggesting applying heat. Butane is risky as it boils at room temp and is intoxicating if inhaled, but so long as you are doing it out doors away from flame it should be fine
 
Does the ISO to Bud ratio matter at all? Like if i had a ton of bud would I need equally more ISO, or just a even layer making sure all the bud gets covered?
 
^As long as the iso is covering the buds a little. You can use more iso but it's just going to take longer to evaporate all that extra iso.

I always recomend doing two iso extractions on your bud as it's always worth it.
 
for all those thinking of making ISO hash


remember that actual name is QWISO

Quick Wash Iso, i left my bud soak in the alcohol for about 30 seconds.

some people do a minute but IMO after 30 seconds you just start to leach other chems out instead of more THC.

but yea as 8ftSativa siad doing a second run is good but just make sure u do short runs
 
for BHO i know it will return a better product if run with nugs

i usually do a first run with nugs and then a second ground up

for QWISO i dont really know, i always grind it up that way i can use less ISO

and not have to evaporate as long. but you might return a finer product using nugs,

but my hunch is that since when ISO'in you kinda soak the weed where as with BHO it kinda just sprays/runs over it that because of that it may not make much difference with ISO

and as far as difference in nugs v ground up even with Butane the difference is subtle

so maybe it nugs might be better

unless someone else has a definative answer you should make that your project/investigation/fieldwork ;)
 
[there is no water to swim in these parts of the ocean] oral cannabis (dosed correctly) lacks the anxiety that smoking nuggets can cause
 
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phactor said:
[there is no water to swim in these parts of the ocean] oral cannabis (dosed correctly) lacks the anxiety that smoking nuggets can cause
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Very true but it's generally not as cost affective as hash and harder too dose properly. But yeah it is a smoother ride for sure.
 
8ft-Sativa said:
Very true but it's generally not as cost affective as hash and harder too dose properly. But yeah it is a smoother ride for sure.
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Yes I will be trying the ISO thing soon methinks... I will also probably keep the washes closer to 4 to 6 hours, I'm willing to sacrifice quality for an easier to use/store substance.

So the longer the wash the less oily/more malleable but less potent the product?
 
Why not just make butane hash oil? It's so much better that iso hash and I'm not sure but it might be quicker ...
 
I too myself find that hash is less likely to induce anxiety. But if you have some really strong hash, i dont think its going to matter to be honest.

The idea of hash and extracts is to extract the actives. You are still getting THC CBD CBN etc in your hash. If anything, if you are looking to reduce your anxiety, try and find strains that have lower levels of thc and higher levels cbd.

I find a lot of the hash that ive purchased has been from late harvested plants. Looking at them under a microscope you can see that the trichomes are amber, not cloudy. Which means that there is higher levels of cbd. As well over time thc breaks down to cbd due to oxidation, as far as i know.

Its tough to get strains nowadays that arent totally centered on thc. the plant can only produce thc or cbd in high concentrations or fairly equal levels. And because thc is the most active breeders have been basically weeding out a lot of the plants that dont produce high levels of thc. This is a problem for medical users, as not all problems are best suited with high thc levels, but rather cbd.
 
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