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Harmless Duster (Nitrous on Steroids)

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No self respecting person would ever admit to using 'duster' once they are over the age of 18, and can buy real drugs like tobacco and alcohol. Nevertheless, duster seems to be the drug that has the worst reputation and I had wondered why so I looked into the gas inside and found that it is not only considered harmless, and an effective anesthetic, but it has actual human data behind it to show it being 'harmless.' This is not to speak of asphyxiation potential, just the danger of inhaling the gas itself. It also does not harm the atmosphere, it says here.

http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/r?dbs+hsdb:@term+@rn+75-37-6
 
Someone decided to drive while doing it?
Oiy..

I've tried Difluoroethane on a couple occasions. Undecided on whether or not it's at all enjoyable, seemed a little overwhelming and uncomfortable to be honest.

All I got was a strange flanging ringing in the ears and dizziness with a strange light chested feeling. It was very hard to speak and walk. I can't imagen controlling a car like that or why you'd want to.
Not to mention I swear FELT my brain cells dying
 
Where are you getting harmless? I think that there is a real difference between inhaling ppm (parts per million) amounts of it or relatively pure / high concentrations of it.

Dangers from the freezing / cooling effect of expanding gas being dispensed cannot be ignored or called anything less than a danger inherent to direct inhalation... that is, unless you first dispense it into a balloon like is typically done with nitrous.

It is not really mutagenic apparently although it is mildly clastogenic (don't even know wtf that is and have to look it up).

I'm really not sure what to make of the cardiovascular effects it may have and stuff like cause of arrhythmias.

Maybe if you compare it with really noxious inhalants DFE is relatively a lot less unsafe but still harmless isn't that overstating the safety just a little bit?

(more discussion in NSP! http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/260025-Brain-Damage-from-DUSTER )
 
Sometimes I forget this is a harm reduction board, I was just using the word 'harmless' to provoke discussion. I don't recommend people huff inhalants (except maybe a little N2O twice a year). However, if you read it, this gas has been used as an anesthetic and my 'harmless' comment was NOT about absorbing a few PPM like someone working with it in industry. Read through it, it is fascinating stuff.

But don't inhale this! Don't drive and inhale this! Sol, if you wouldn't mind please do remove the 'harmless' from the title as I don't want to send the wrong message.

Where are you getting harmless?

PPS, the link you link is a 6 year old thread with absolutely nothing in it of value.
 
I was afraid that my sarcasm meter was not working right, which sometimes indeed happens... but you continued to say harmless a few more times in a way that did not really seem to be a clear and effective tongue-in-cheek remark. So yeah I was a but inclear about how this should be interpreted ;)

I have actually read through the thingy before posting.

In the NSP thread the cardiotoxicity worry was also voiced, and the age of the thread doesn't really seem relevant to me. :)

Sorry to be an asshole, you did add a sort of disclaimer in the OP for sure :D
 
:) ok am glad then.

It's hard to recommend this stuff on a HR board and I'm not sure how I can even ask you whether you think it was worth trying. The nitrous on steroids does make it out to be something that is worth having tried once, considering "limited" dangers of incidental use (meaning acceptable since there is not immediate serious levels of brain damage to be expected if we are to understand these tox sheets correctly).
But not everyone makes inhalants sound equally interesting.

Never got ether to work very well myself, maybe you cannot compare that to halo alkane inhalants but I kind of lost faith in all of them in general as something probably inferior to nitrous in every way.
 
Interesting, maybe I should give it a go to see how it compares to sevoflurane, ether and nitrous oxide. Always fun trying out new things, though I am going to have to read up on it some more first.
 
Interesting, maybe I should give it a go to see how it compares to sevoflurane, ether and nitrous oxide. Always fun trying out new things, though I am going to have to read up on it some more first.

Let me make it clear I do not recommend this, not that I would know what duster is like. I just don't see why anyone would do this with booze and smokes available. Still, it doesn't seem as dangerous as either. It is not considered carcinogenic.

Edit: sol you bring up an interesting point. Ether. I never got it to work either and always thought inhaling it was just like drinking alcohol...but it did inspire a lot of writing and praise that makes me think now there may be more there than I realized. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
Also be aware that sudden inhalant death syndrome can result from any of the drugs of this method of action.

Be aware too that not all dusters will use difluoroethane.
 
Thnx ... Interesting read:

Inhaling butane gas can cause drowsiness, narcosis, asphyxia, cardiac arrhythmia and frostbite. Butane is the most commonly misused volatile solvent in the UK and caused 52% of solvent-related deaths in 2000. When butane is sprayed directly into the throat, the jet of fluid can cool rapidly to −20°C by adiabatic expansion, causing prolonged laryngospasm. Sudden sniffing death syndrome is commonly known as SSDS. Some inhalants can also indirectly cause sudden death by cardiac arrest, in a syndrome known as "sudden sniffing death".[23] The anaesthetic gases present in the inhalants appear to sensitize the user to adrenaline and, in this state, a sudden surge of adrenaline (e.g., from a frightening hallucination or run-in with aggressors), may cause fatal cardiac arrhythmia.[24]

Furthermore, the inhalation of any gas that is capable of displacing oxygen in the lungs (especially gasses heavier than oxygen) carries the risk of hypoxia as a result of the very mechanism by which breathing is triggered. Since reflexive breathing is prompted by elevated carbon dioxide levels (rather than diminished blood oxygen levels), breathing a concentrated, relatively inert gas (such as computer-duster tetrafluoroethane or nitrous oxide) that removes carbon dioxide from the blood without replacing it with oxygen will produce no outward signs of suffocation even when the brain is experiencing hypoxia. Once full symptoms of hypoxia appear, it may be too late to breathe without assistance, especially if the gas is heavy enough to lodge in the lungs for extended periods. Even completely inert gasses, such as argon, can have this effect if oxygen is largely excluded as used in suicide bags.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intoxicative_inhalant#.22Sudden_sniffing_death_syndrome.22

Sudden sniffing death sounds very pervy for some reason, not something that is good for your dignity thats for damn sure.

I think it's admirable that you'd theoretically want to use inhalants in an eco-friendly way MGS, I'm touched. :D ;)
 
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Man, I am not convinced. I do not think duster is safe AT ALL.

I don't recommend people huff inhalants (except maybe a little N2O twice a year).

Why twice a year? I know inhalants have a bad rep but nitrous is really quite safe in moderation. Twice a year seems excessively cautious.
 
Man, I am not convinced. I do not think duster is safe AT ALL.



Why twice a year? I know inhalants have a bad rep but nitrous is really quite safe in moderation. Twice a year seems excessively cautious.

If not twice a year, every other day except Tuesdays. Or just when you take a psychedelic, nitrous is really boring otherwise IMO.
 
I just resently started duster and it provides the same effects as dxm for me if you hit it the correct way but this only last for a dhort period of time i wasnt aware of the risk either i was hitting it stright our of the can
 
I haven't read through all the linked to material, but if these claims are basically true then it is interesting that it doesn't seem to be the chemical itself that's directly causing damage, though short of death it sounds like brain damage via hypoxia is nevertheless a definite possibility through the indirect mechanism quoted in Solipsis' last post. Of course that's a threat with nitrous, too, but I think the duration of tetrafluoroethane is far longer, isn't it? The more time one is fucked out of their mind -- and that's an especially apt description of computer duster -- the more time they're not reflexively breathing or able to remember to consciously breathe. And of course, anything that causes medical anesthesia (except for something like certain NMDA antagonists, to a degree) can be very dangerous. Anesthesia has been and still is a huge cause of mortality during surgeries, though it varies by the mechanism of anesthesia.
 
The only kind of duster worthwhile is feather duster. Fuck this thread why is this in PD?

Why would it not be? We welcome informed discussion here. Dogma is all good and well if it is based on evidence but to be sure of that we have to be considering new evidence.

I too find this hard to believe but I struggle to argue with objective science.

In my mind the explanation for this is that most people using inhalants are not using difluoroethane; those who can find a pure source might well be ok. I don't think you'll be catching me trying any though.
 
I don't understand why the thread is titled "harmless" and then the link that the OP sources has like 5 instances of different people dying from this stuff LOL...

So is this stuff relatively safe or not??

Doesn't really sound like it at all...
 
Interesting, maybe I should give it a go to see how it compares to sevoflurane, ether and nitrous oxide. Always fun trying out new things, though I am going to have to read up on it some more first.
It is not like nitrous oxide, gives a strong head rush and it probably asphyxiates. Sounds like a your brain is a clunky refrigerator. The effect is short but I think it increases after each use and you start thinking it is never going to stop. Good times.
 
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