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Harm Minimisation Or Social Chatter, What Is Bluelight Really For?

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Vietnam Vet

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Bluelight is to educate, about harm minimisation and to unite the drug culture, a place for us to go and express our opinions and feelings, but lately that seems to have died away, with less and less posts being placed in the HM forums and more useless bullshit being placed in the social forums. I (and i know im not alone) am sad to see that people have lost touch with why bleulight really exists, it's not for you to talk about what you think of Wayne Carey or what football team you go for or even who the hardest dj is.. it's about EDUCATING, so maybe you can stop yourself or a friend from injuring themselves or yourself (physically, or mentally).
Basically, im trying to make that point of saying, whoever uses bluelight for ONLY social purposes and doesn't even give the HM forums a browse of a regular basis, doesn't belong on bluelight...
My 2Cents...
Peace...
[ 18 March 2002: Message edited by: Vietnam Vet ]
 
Bluelight was only about drug information and harm minimisation orginally, but now its grown into something more, but the information is all still there and still being used...
If those who started Bluelight really wanted it to just be about information and harm minimisation, they could close the social forums and the events forums...
As much as some people hate it, Bluelight is now much more than a drug information site, it is a community and as such has more going on than just making information available, and as in any community, it has people who are there for only a small part...
There are some people who only post in Words and the Music forum, do they not belong? They take nothing away from the drug discussion, so how are they doing harm?
IMFHO anyone who contributes to Bluelight constructively in any forum belongs here...
 
IMFHO anyone who contributes to Bluelight constructively in any forum belongs here...
listen to the man.
i browse on music and social, when i have the need, i check out drug discussion but i dont live there :P
just becos i dont participate actively in any forums besides music, doesnt mean im wasting my time on this board.
trust me, if i think im wasting my time on this board, i can easily find other things to do on my computer equally time wasting and much more entertaining.
oso, some of us does not necessarily have the knowledge to contribute but its good enough that there are those who do and do so.
i rather keep the chatter to social, etc, rather than have everyone suddenly posting crap in harm minimisation :P
i DO get the benefits of being part of bluelight
imo, its good enough that bluelight has become a community much more than simply harm minimisation... sure not everyone contributes to harm minimisation but being part of a community, the information does trickle down.
infiormation dissemination IS part of harm minimisation.
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for once, an unoriginal thread that has a good purpose to it! vietnam has his point, i understand what he means, but i do like the social forums too!
 
Bluelight wouldn't be bluelight without social.. It would fall apart.. Social is what keeps people coming back.. DD section is good, and i check it often for new information. But Social is what keeps people coming back. MOst of DD is repetative to those who have been around for a while
Also, most the people who frequently use the social section are most likely VERY WELL educated in harm reduction(as they have been on B/L for ages), and because they keep coming back to chat on social they inturn glance at DD section to look for any new info.
The answer is simple.
If you dont like it, Dont use it.
Chem
 
I say it is whatever it is, because we want it that way... Otherwise we wouldn't be here.
F...
 
He has a point, i use the Social forums alot too, maybe a bit more than the other ones but i also do post in the other ones and read them frequently, people need to realize that its just not about the social forums and the real aim is for harm minimisation, its not just a meeting place to pick up new freinds.
 
had a bit of a think now:
What if you already know the key points to HM? I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to constantly know what the best pill available is. I don't feel the need to try every drug to require mass amounts of research. I know the basics. I test. I take appropriate breaks between. I post load. I even know up to which pinkie knuckle I need to insert in order to get an effective plug.
[ 18 March 2002: Message edited by: nezo ]
 
Ive noticed that in the HM forums theres been heaps more "USE THE GODDAMN SEARCH!!! THIS HAS BEEN ASKED A MILLION TIMES ALREADY!!" than there used to be. maybe the drugs forums arent getting as many questions coz people are actually starting to use the search function.....or theyre just scared of the mods ;)
Psychidelic was originally why I got into bluelight, but its been a long time since Ive read anything in the drugs forums that was new to me and these days Im not really interested in filling all my spare hours with drugs so why shouldnt I go into words or social? I love bluelight and a lot of the people on it and theres no reason why the drugs and social forums cant coexist. :) salada
 
What if you already know the key points to HM? I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to constantly know what the best pill available is. I don't feel the need to try every drug to require mass amounts of research. I know the basics. I test. I take appropriate breaks between. I post load. I even know up to which pinkie knuckle I need to insert in order to get an effective plug.
well, you could always do other things besides posting/reading bluelight?
Im sure someone will post up the original mission of bluelight that Jase posted.
Also remember, theres a lot of complaints that bluelight is slow at times etc.. Well if it wasn't so big on its current hardware/software combination, the slowness wouldn't be so evident..
There are so many points I would like to make (but restricted from being at work). I am being way too brief for this. But one point VietnamVet is getting at, the Harm Minimisation point is being missed by a lot of BlueLighters because they are only in it for 'the social factor', which one day, could cost a life at a party or something because those people who got together through bluelight and don't really have a clue about Harm minimisation/reduction.
And isn't the main point of Bluelight is .. to help save brains/lives through harm reduction/minimisation of drug use?
I just wish I had more time to put into this post..
[ 18 March 2002: Message edited by: wazza ]
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Approximately 43% of threads on bluelight are non-drug related (on a gross thread count by forum focus). Who cares that half the system resources are used toward purposes that don't further the bluelight mission, which is (to quote Jase) two-fold:
1. Open space for drug discussion.
2. Harm minimisation?
The social forums WERE created as an aside to the drug discussion forums, to allow a place for idle chatter and allow the drug discussion forums to be less cluttered with crap. Now that the social side has grown so much (into a so-called 'community'), there are people that NEVER read the drug discussion forums... and I think this is the point that Vietnam Vet is making.
It is my opinion that when social becomes the focus instead of harm minimisation the message that Bluelight stands for can become lost in the noise. Follow this argument to the logical conclusion - if everyone abandons drug discussion then Bluelight just becomes another social board. There are literally thousands of social-interest boards on the internet, and IRC, but so very few harm minimisation forums. It would be nice to remain unique in this respect instead of losing the HM focus for good.
BigTrancer :)
 
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BigTrancer ;)
 
if bluelight manages to save just one person who initally came to socialise but stumbled across the Harm minisation information, then I would argue that it has achieved it's mission.
 
Originally posted by BigTrancer:

1. Open space for drug discussion.
2. Harm minimisation?

Why can't the mission evolve? Like any country, as needs and population and attitudes change the constitution changes to reflect them.
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I used to read the HM Forums of bluelight occasionally well before i signed up...
the only reason i did sign up is because of the social forum and now i come back far more frequently, i'm sure there are many others just like me.
Maybe we should stop focusing on what bluelight should be and put more effort into developing and growing what it already is!
my5cents.....
(2's aren't legal currency anymore)
[ 18 March 2002: Message edited by: Sybarite ]
 
The harm minimisation talk is still there and now there is a community to chatter with who you know thinks, more or less, on your wavelength. I can't see anything bad about that.
 
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