Hallucinating weeks after LSD trip...

[Crazedboy]

I was wondering...When your a daily pot smoker for two years and you quit because of the hallucinations does the hallucinations increase because of the weed withdrawls? Because I'm still hallucinating quite a bit still. The top of my head is really hurting and there's a lot of pressure going on there.

 

[four string]

are you talking about hallucinating from pot only or smoking pot triggers you to hallucinate due to your last trip? You're being vague.

 

[Crazedboy]

I quit smoking pot for about 5 days now...I'm still hallucinating, on wikipedia it says the hallucinations increase for short peroid of time after you quit doing drugs. I was wondering if this has happen to anyone else. Also...Ive been able to have weird feelings in the brain, most people say that you shouldn't be able to feel anything in the brain although I feel this intense warming sensation at the top of my skull is this normal? Also twitching in the brain. Should I get this cheked out?

 

[riveagirl]

hey this might sound a little odd but going on a low histamine diet might help. I was diagnosed with a histamine disorder by a real (not pseudo) doctor. The enzyme that degrades histamine is affected by drug and alcohol use, and my enzyme activity is so low that it's almost non existent. I first started having mega symptoms after taking x and lsd daily for a couple of months. I was also a heavy drinker from a young age (not an alki but a lot). I was having the continued trip, depersonalisation for a few years before being misdiagnosed with a whole bunch of crap (bipolar, borderline, gad, depression). Doc thinks my condition was affected by the extra curriculars that eventually wore down the enzyme.

One of my symptoms now when I'm in histamine overload is that I feel like I'm tripping. And I haven't messed with anything for years. The weird thing is that a bunch of my friends have been diagnosed with similar issues, so the drug hypothesis could be true.

You can find low histamine diets all over the net. When I eat high histamine foods I feel like I'm having a weak acid trip. Also, I get mega insomnia and when I close my eyes I get very vivid visuals like on acid.

Just thought I'd share in case it helps anyone!

 

[riveagirl]

I quit smoking pot for about 5 days now...I'm still hallucinating, on wikipedia it says the hallucinations increase for short peroid of time after you quit doing drugs. I was wondering if this has happen to anyone else. Also...Ive been able to have weird feelings in the brain, most people say that you shouldn't be able to feel anything in the brain although I feel this intense warming sensation at the top of my skull is this normal? Also twitching in the brain. Should I get this cheked out?

Ok wow, this is exactly what I have. My brain feels warm and I sometimes get some patches of warmth in my shoulders, feelings of electricity or humming in my feet/fingers, feeling quite excitable, and not being able to sleep.

 

[TheAppleCore]

Sometimes, during the stretch of time about a couple weeks following high-dose LSD, occasionally I'll get strobe-like flashing in the corners of my vision, much like a toned-down version of the strobing I get on the LSD trip itself. It always goes away after that, though.

Most psychological issues are WAY exacerbated by worrying about them, IME. I advise you to simply remember that, in all likelihood, this will only be temporary. Ignore it until it's gone.

 

[MentalHigh]

Looks like were all fucked up, i got the same thing but for 2 months now, the ' i don't feel chill, don't feel myself' keeps coming back and sometimes I also have visual flashbacks..
(Also: don't get excited, don't feel happy, can't find words to finish my sentences..)

Trippin from weed sounds pretty weird if you're just an ordinary smoker, but i've you done lsd and theirs a little bit of that stuck in you're head it all becomes clear that you start trippin when you smoke. I used to relax chill and enjoy my joint, nowadays my visual sight becomes disturbing when i smoke (mostly the corners) and sometimes i get very depressed (thinking about stuff, mostly to worrie about). I wanna feel relaxed when i'm sober, and normal stoned when i'm high!

Guys, lissen for a sec, I am only 18 years old and
I got a hole life ahead so don't let me spend it like this..
If anyone has the same problem, or if anyone has a solution, please contact me
(quote me, i'll give my phone number whatever)
This is not something that should be ignored, but it has to be solved or cure!!

 

[MentalHigh]

Work togheter, to find solutions! LSD (DONT IGNORE PROBLEMS)

Looks like were all fucked up, i got the same thing but for 2 months now, the ' i don't feel chill, don't feel myself' keeps coming back and sometimes I also have visual flashbacks..
(Also: don't get excited, don't feel happy, can't find words to finish my sentences..)

Trippin from weed sounds pretty weird if you're just an ordinary smoker, but i've you done lsd and theirs a little bit of that stuck in you're head it all becomes clear that you start trippin when you smoke. I used to relax chill and enjoy my joint, nowadays my visual sight becomes disturbing when i smoke (mostly the corners) and sometimes i get very depressed (thinking about stuff, mostly to worrie about). I wanna feel relaxed when i'm sober, and normal stoned when i'm high!

Guys, lissen for a sec, I am only 18 years old and
I got a hole life ahead so don't let me spend it like this..
If anyone has the same problem, or if anyone has a solution, please contact me
(quote me, i'll give my phone number whatever)
This is not something that should be ignored, but it has to be solved or cure!!

 

[Lord]

Your case doesn't sound especially severe so in my opinion it will likely go away within a few months, and if it stays you will either find ways to deal with it or find ways to reduce/remove it or at least deal with it.

, and normal stoned when i'm high!

Guys, lissen for a sec, I am only 18 years old and
I got a hole life ahead so don't let me spend it like this..
If anyone has the same problem, or if anyone has a solution, please contact me
(quote m

#1: time
#2: time without pot or psychedelics, or 90% of drugs ftm
#3: good health
#4: I was seeing assassins behind doors and LOTS of other scary shit, and it came out a lot more when I smoked pot. After my mescaline + pot experience it kept coming back (weaker) whenever I got high. Anyway I started taking seroquel a month ago, my one day I took 250-300mg when I was normally taking 50-100mg, and I took it with just enough speed to keep me awake, stopped taking it after that and now pot is nice and mild again, but I do miss some of the nicer visuals that came with the bad ones. Maybe it'll come back if I keep smoking pot... or maybe I damaged my brain with the seroquel. Or repaired it. Overall I am happy with the change, and I don't plan on smoking weed for much longer anyway.

 

[SpecialK_]

It happens to some people, it'll pass with time if your worried don't take any psychedelics again. Your perception, however, will be permanently altered.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I haven't read through the whole topic but I read the OP and I think you should wait a few more weeks before jumping to conclusions. Certain psychedelics produce after effects that last different lengths of time depending on the person - for me personally I had various visuals 3-4 weeks after my last trip, and in fact, it's been about 5 and a 1/2 weeks since my last trip and they've only just disappeared really in the last few days.

 

[SmYthie]

Cure

Okay, so first off I don't think I ever got to a point where i was openly tripping every day...but after a summer of about 20 acid trips, 15 shroom trips, and 3 or 4 heavy rolls (in a 2 month period) i was left feeling pretty "strange" when I started my fall semester at college. I would feel dissociated in the sense that that I would sometimes get a sensation of "falling" just walking up to my internship (marketing intern...a position where I had to maintain composure), walls would breath sometimes, and if i stared at anything for a few seconds it would get a little "melty"...verbally though, i was able to pass myself off as "normal" hahah./

Anyways, this semester I speak of was my LAST semester before I earned my degree, so there was alot of anxiety and pressure on me...which honestly made it alot worst. I don't know who said it, but it 100% TRUE that the anxiety of HPPD is worst than the visuals. Although all the tripping made me feel as though I was a better person, I was left emotionally fragile...

...I began having panick attacks, probably due in part to having 40 pages of single spaced papers due in a 2 week period, the inability to sleep, feeling apathetic and "depressed" in the sense that nothing seemed fun. I felt like i was melting, falling, etc while i simultaneously felt "numb" to realities ups (but very prone to its downs)

So i did some research, because my diploma depended on it, and 5-htp turned out to be a treatment for HPPD and LSD induced psychosis (i BELIEVE i found that on Wikipedia, but you could double check). I tried this and noticed a slight improvement for about 30 mins....eventually I admitted that I developed a panic disorder and/or depression from my drug use (more so because I felt weird and "unprofessional" all the time amongst my business student peers), even though I abstained for about 3 months from everything (including alcohol) aside from pot (i'm a serious pot head lol, it actually helps me get shit done)

So I went and saw my doctor about Sertraline Hcl, or Zoloft....WORKED GREAT. I was put on a low dose, only 25mg to start and then eventually 50 mg (200mg is not uncommon for depression treatment...and being 220 pounds its amazing such a small amount helped)...i eventually found out that Zoloft in low doses is prescribed specifically for panic disorders.

I actually began weening 5 days ago, back down to 25mg, because my head feels "untangled" and, although I still have the "acid perspective", it isn't so damaged feeling as to negatively affect my life. I was on the full dose of 50mg for only about 2 months. I read online that dropping the dose by half is pretty drastic, but aside from a little apathy i feel great.

I made the connection that since 5-htp helps with HPPD (5-htp is the main building block of serotonin, the neurotransmitter effected greatly during an acid trip) that maybe an SSRI (Selective serotonin Reuptake inhibitor) I would have the same benefits only "extended" and with fewer side effects.

Everybody on drug-forums talks trash about SSRI's, and although they DO have side effects and some people DO NOT work well with them the relief of HPPD is well worth it. I think that the 2 months I spent on it were enough for me to get my head straight, implying that I just needed to "fix" the anxious perspective i gained after a summer of tripping.

Figured I'd share my story...I don't know if everybody will have the same results, but it DEFINITELY made life better...even while weening life is 100X better than it was just 3 months ago; mainly because i can think rationally instead of being run by ffear

-edit-

I realize that lowered serotonin is usually thought of as a side effect of MDMA, not LSD. During my summer i tried some MDMA (i've always avoided it because of the fear of brain damage lol) but kept it pretty mellow compared to most people i know. LSD does affect the serotonin receptors, though, and how the receptors process serotonin...some people suggest that the "afterglow" of an LSD trip is a result of 5-ht2 receptors downregulating in much the same way as SSRI's work (ssri's increase serotonin which eventually downregulates the receptors...and since SSRI's take a few weeks to work, even though serotonin is immediately increased, the antidepressant effect is thought of to be an effect of 5-ht2 downregulation moreso than an increase in serotonin).

So i figured messing with the serotogenic system while simultaneously restructuring it (via the smashing of serotonin reserves in the brain with MDMA and the ensueing neurogenesis that occurs in the month after as serotonin levels rise) may have caused an issue. Although LSD doesn't destroy the brain's serotonin reserves, such an intense stimulation of such a critical neurotransmitter seemed like a likely culprit for my poor state or mind.

Zoloft isn't that dangerous, and has much fewer side effects when compared to other SSRI's and SNRI's (and MAOI's...)...or even adderall, which is so frequently abused. So i'm suggesting talking to your doctor/therapist about it to see whether they agree...or just say your anxious/depressed/panicky...they would prescribe it anyways.

Just trying to help. This is just my personal experience

 

[SmYthie]

Cure

Okay, so first off I don't think I ever got to a point where i was openly tripping every day...but after a summer of about 20 acid trips, 15 shroom trips, and 3 or 4 heavy rolls (in a 2 month period) i was left feeling pretty "strange" when I started my fall semester at college. I would feel dissociated in the sense that that I would sometimes get a sensation of "falling" just walking up to my internship (marketing intern...a position where I had to maintain composure), walls would breath sometimes, and if i stared at anything for a few seconds it would get a little "melty"...verbally though, i was able to pass myself off as "normal" hahah./

Anyways, this semester I speak of was my LAST semester before I earned my degree, so there was alot of anxiety and pressure on me...which honestly made it alot worst. I don't know who said it, but it 100% TRUE that the anxiety of HPPD is worst than the visuals. Although all the tripping made me feel as though I was a better person, I was left emotionally fragile...

...I began having panick attacks, probably due in part to having 40 pages of single spaced papers due in a 2 week period, the inability to sleep, feeling apathetic and "depressed" in the sense that nothing seemed fun. I felt like i was melting, falling, etc while i simultaneously felt "numb" to realities ups (but very prone to its downs)

So i did some research, because my diploma depended on it, and 5-htp turned out to be a treatment for HPPD and LSD induced psychosis (i BELIEVE i found that on Wikipedia, but you could double check). I tried this and noticed a slight improvement for about 30 mins....eventually I admitted that I developed a panic disorder and/or depression from my drug use (more so because I felt weird and "unprofessional" all the time amongst my business student peers), even though I abstained for about 3 months from everything (including alcohol) aside from pot (i'm a serious pot head lol, it actually helps me get shit done)

So I went and saw my doctor about Sertraline Hcl, or Zoloft....WORKED GREAT. I was put on a low dose, only 25mg to start and then eventually 50 mg (200mg is not uncommon for depression treatment...and being 220 pounds its amazing such a small amount helped)...i eventually found out that Zoloft in low doses is prescribed specifically for panic disorders.

I actually began weening 5 days ago, back down to 25mg, because my head feels "untangled" and, although I still have the "acid perspective", it isn't so damaged feeling as to negatively affect my life. I was on the full dose of 50mg for only about 2 months. I read online that dropping the dose by half is pretty drastic, but aside from a little apathy i feel great.

I made the connection that since 5-htp helps with HPPD (5-htp is the main building block of serotonin, the neurotransmitter effected greatly during an acid trip) that maybe an SSRI (Selective serotonin Reuptake inhibitor) I would have the same benefits only "extended" and with fewer side effects.

Everybody on drug-forums talks trash about SSRI's, and although they DO have side effects and some people DO NOT work well with them the relief of HPPD is well worth it. I think that the 2 months I spent on it were enough for me to get my head straight, implying that I just needed to "fix" the anxious perspective i gained after a summer of tripping.

Figured I'd share my story...I don't know if everybody will have the same results, but it DEFINITELY made life better...even while weening life is 100X better than it was just 3 months ago; mainly because i can think rationally instead of being run by ffear

 

[psilocybin_muncher]

hi i know this isnt about LSD but its about shrooms but i am wondering if its normal for me to be tripping a week after taking psilocybe cubensis but my friend did have bad trip and it had an effect on me i got a very intense feeling in my head and like a white noise sound so loud that i could not hear my friends talking very much but i am abit worried about the visuals and wondering if they will fade within time? cheers

 

[Energysausage]

Wow how common is this HPPD!? Seriously I'm kind of freaked out about trying LSD now because it seems so many people on here have it or have had it. I thought it was like a one in a million chance or something.

 

[stillmind]

You're seeing selection bias; i.e., those with HPPD (or similar symptomatology) are posting to this thread. No one is posting to say, "I've never had HPPD" but that undoubtedly would be the vast majority of psychedelic users (keep in mind there are usually 2k+ active users on this forum at any time).

I'm sure you won't be able to find any accurate stats, but I think it's safe to say it's uncommon (though I'd wager far more common than "one in a million" for regular users). Still, one thing you can take from this is that moreso than other drugs, the effects of psychedelics are highly idiosyncratic and unpredictable. That applies to the actual trip experience as well as lingering effects (both positive and negative). Thus any usage entails an undefinable risk, and it's up to you to decide if you're willing to take it.

 

[FromHereToEternity]

Wow how common is this HPPD!? Seriously I'm kind of freaked out about trying LSD now because it seems so many people on here have it or have had it. I thought it was like a one in a million chance or something.

I wouldn't believe everything people post in the internet. Ive been trying to do some reading on this and it seems like supposed sufferers can't even really describe whats going on? You saw something you thought was a visual? Some dots here and there? Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that is a major issue that you just can't live with and is causing truckloads of anxiety everyday. Of course some people report way more than that, but a lot of the reports really do sound minor.

Look at this report by a moderator here >

"
i dont really have full HPPD. i have the symptoms, but they are not debilitating, and they are not as severe as i think would qualify for hppd

after smoking pot for a while (usually weekly) 2 years ago, i noticed a very slight change in the way trees looked. bit more colorful and pretty, couldnt quite put my finger on it"

That's pretty much all he says about it. He saw some trees. They looked maybe a little prettier. Uh oh?

And not trying to bash anyone but this quote sounds relevant :

Yeah, fucking annoying to see so many people claim they've got HPPD..

I've said it before and I'll say it again, 99% of all people claiming to have HPPD do NOT have it.

Both from the same thread >

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/235230-The-Big-amp-Dandy-HPPD-Thread


I mean seriously, i'm sure they guy who posted here saying he dropped acid 20 times a day for 5 years straight gets to see some weird shit even when sober. I don't think theres any way you can get your brain used to seeing hallucinations all the time in everyday situations and not have it stick with your a while. But most people seem to be blowing it out, how much is this after-effect really happening and how much is it just in their minds due to anxiety?

We can never know.

You know, when i was a wee little lad and first started smoking weed i would be walking down the street alone at night and I would think any little noise that happened was someone just right behind me. Of course there was no one there. I never freaked out, I knew it was just a substance and me learning how to deal with it. It went away relatively fast. I've had periods in my life after that were i smoked ridiculous amounts and felt 100% in control of the trip, no anxiety or bad thoughts. It's pure bliss. Until it goes away : )


Seriously, a lot of this might just be people who take doses that are way too large for them way too often without proper set and setting and then can't handle the trip later on, developing anxiety afterwards that's making me them go through this. I could totally see someone who was naturally paranoid and not ready for weed having the experience ive had of thinking people were walking behind and freaking the fuck out, shouting to the bushes come out or im gonna get you, calling the police, admitting themselves to the hospital and stuff.

It's all about how you handle the trip. A lot of people say they did psychedelics and had this realizations about the universe being cyclical and never ending and ultimately meaningless and vague because of its infinity. Shit, I think that's beyond beautiful and it doesn't make me think stuff if meaningless. That realization doesn't cause any anxiety in me, it brings a smile to my face. Then again, I can relate that to a lot that i've read and thought about before. But like stillmind above said, the effects of psychedelics are highly idiosyncratic and unpredictable. A lot of people who might have other kinds of beliefs can go through that and just not accept it and make a huge deal out of it and let it affect them for the rest of their lives, getting depressed at what they feel is the pointlessness of it all. There are no guarantees. And it's not about one side being right or wrong. It's a lot more about me preferring to live a happy life than a sad one. If that's how it is, so be it, let's roll with it. Let's create our own meaning. Let's not lock ourselves in our rooms and cry about it till the day we die.


And i'm not trying to deny the existence of HPPD, just counter balance a little whats been posted here. I don't have any personal experience with this syndrome, but then again i'm the kind of person who thinks a healthy reaction to a psychedelic is not to want to touch the stuff again for a VERY LONG time until youve applied the self-examinations you had and change the negative stuff in your life that it helped you understand and deal with. I don't think they are purely recreational drugs. But then again, there's people who come out of the trip thinking hey I need to this every day for the rest of my life, that's a great idea. Go fucking figure. Instead of the substance making them realize how trippy and enjoyable everyday life can be without any extra chemicals added to it. Maybe they were already very different to begin with. Maybe they're getting a different kind of message from the stuff. Who knows. You should be respectful of the substance, but believing everything anyone who you know nothing about posts on the internet says doesn't sound sensible.

Edit > These posts are really relevant :

What some of you are calling symptoms of HPPD, I've had my entire life.

Closing your eyes and seeing bright colored geometric patterns floating around has been something I've enjoyed from a very young age... also the static vision isn't something new to me... brightly colored pixels will make up my entire vision and I can still see... I just feel like I'm watching it on a really old television and you can see each pixel... I also get the "floaters" (mainly in the sunlight.. but in the dim light sometimes, too...) they usually just sort of free-fall down until I look up again and then they'll shoot back up and I can watch them fall again.

After tripping and taking a warm shower, these "floaters" began to become illuminated and shoot around in rapid succession... like electrons orbiting the nucleus... and my vision was the nucleus... (I wasn't tripping at the time... I mean.. after I had started tripping)

I don't know if I consider this HPPD, but I can, at will, make things morph and what not like 2c-e/2c-i... like looking at the corner where two walls meet... I can make them come out at me... or watch my ceiling bubble and what not... but it's only when I try...

I still get slight tracers sometimes... but I think I may just imagine them because I think they'd be cool... who knows.

I've tripped ~20-30 times... never really had a "bad" trip... as I learned something from all of them.

oh yeah... and when I did 2c-i for a week... for about a month after, certain people would have an aura to them... but it was always the same people.. and they always had the same color attached to them... regardless of what they were wearing and what the background was...

I can relate to this. Its being a kid and messing around with your visions. It's simple and common stuff that I used to do all the time and i was a wee little lad and it doesn't have much to do with psychedelics, like the guy said. How many people running around claiming about HPPD might just be having something any kid can accomplish by pressing their eyes or focusing their visions and confusing it with permanent after-effects due to post trip anxiety? I mean, it wouldn't freak me out because i could do that stuff at age 5 and I always knew it was me playing around with my eyes and not brain damage.

i once heard that in the amazon, in order to be considered a *true* and *expert* shaman or spirit seer in the ayahuasca tradition, an initiate has to trip so hard and so many times that they become able to permanently see visions and spirits, and then this state is welcomed and admired by the community. Conclusion: the significance of hppd is largely a construct of individuals and societies' beliefs about what constitutes an acceptable life.

I personally think that hppd is overblown and that when it comes to the debilitating aspect of it - the anxiety that probably jacks people the most - the thing is, this is a personal reaction to something that you've done and are now experiencing. I would think people could meditate on being accepting of things they cannot change, and realizing no harm has really been done to them and get through life with constant CEVs or somesuch without totally freaking out. So you changed your brain, so what. The act of living and thinking changes your brain. Why be so anxious about it?? colors on the edges of your vision arent preventing you from living a full and successful and happy life. And we all know the truth is that doing psychedelics even once is probably going to permanently change your perception. (in some way- even if it's only the realization that that form of altered consciousness exists).

On the other hand, certain people maybe have problems with their vision, hearing, or physical perception that substantially impairs their ability to accomplish normal tasks. I wasnt talking about you, and yeah, anxiety here is probably justified and to be expected.

 

[Energysausage]

Damn thanks a bunch for your response Eternity. Helped to put my mind at ease more about it all.