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H, the shitdrug from hell, is coming around

Symmetrical Daze

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H, the shitdrug, is coming around

Fuck heroin. no, i never done the shit but ive seen the effects of what it can do.

about a year ago, it came around here. it spread like fuking wildfire. i saw it turn me and my buddies' close friends into stealing, lying, stupid shitheads to be completely honest. we of course stuck to the weed and psyches' thankfully. we lost many friends. we couldnt trust them and they lost their original personality.

it had effects on ppls looks, making them uglier with fatter faces usually. the ppl that realized they were in too deep or just got busted got methadone, the fuckin zombie drug. Just stick em on methadone and it will be ok.. yea rite. they still act mentally handicapped and dose off in odd places.

ok, so this shit happens, a lot of the town has been on the garbage for a while. most will probly say nothing else was around so they started it and loved it.

anyways. i am talking to these 2 girls and becoming friends with them. they are 17, decent looking high school girls. a little younger than me but thats fine. they dont like weed anymore, they tell me about rolling, coke and meth(amph). i discourage the use but im not close enough to them to really influence them. they were ok with 2cb which i sort of encouraged as a substitute, even tho not much is known about it, i know by experience its safer than the above that they liked.

well they know i tolerate but generally disaprove of their use of x, coke and meth more than once in a while... but they know i hate H cause i told them of the way it changes ppl. hey, i care for these girls cause they are young and vulnerable, i dont mean sexually. i was chattin with one of them tonite on icq, about weed, it went something like:

her: i smoked weed since i was 12 and like i just started doiung other stuff this summer
and now im like addicted to shit its crazy
me: like what???
her: nothing. i'd rather keep it a secret
me: then i assume the worst if u dont tell me

it goes on, she asks whats worst, i say H, then she says she thought crack was worst. well it became obvious it was H and i wanted to flip out on her, but she would probly just say fuk off, of course her little powder provides more pleasure than me. i said u need to quit the shit while u can, said some bad stuff about it. she says shes depressed and hates her life and it helps.

i say find some nondrug activites that will help, she says no and kinda laughs at that. i say ur fuked then.

i recommended finding somewhere safe to trip and eat mushrooms. i thought maybe this could set her free from H. well she cant get shrooms, but maybe i can, which i dont want to supply them due to obvious risks. that is the only thing she is up for that could help herself. Suggestions?????

i tried to get her to tell me who started her on it cause i would beat the fuk out of them so bad...

hey heroin addicts, i feel a grain of sympathy for u. u got stuck in shit and are sinking yea i understand.

if u encourage it on minors u need to come visit me, yea, i mite want some, of ur blood.. UR BLOOD and face beat in with a combo of fists and baseball bat gashes etc. and anyone coming on my property that i know encourages vulnerable girls like that, arent coming off my property alive. yep, im pissed. now these 2 lovely girls that turned on spiritual and loving feelings for me will be wanting to suck me for cash with their uglier fatter faces.

SD has no problem with killing a junkie sellin to minors. shotgun blasts, beat to death..... something like that. of course they would have to be trespassing. and i think that one driving waved a gun at me!

im not a violent person, u dont understand what the shit is doing to ppl.
 
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dammmn

damn, you do sound pissed. I am glad that H isn't around where I live(to my knowledge), but i have seen similar things happen to people with amphetamines and pills, etc, except they get thinner, and look malnourished. Downward spirals of dependence are hard to get out of. This is why not everyone should be doing drugs.
 
SD - Not all Heroin users are like that. I use Heroin occasionally, in fact, I did tonight... You make it sound like those girls had guns pointed at their heads and someone forced them to snort/inject H into their system. Truth is, they had a choice, they chose to use Heroin, they were not responsible and they got addicted. If you practice drugs in moderation they can be fun, especially Heroin. It is the people that don't pratice moderation that end up fucking up and getting addicted, the people who are not responsible will get a monkey on their back...
 
Any drug can become a problem for someone, given the right circumstances. People can become addicted to behaviors, too - sex, gambling, self-injury, overeating, just about anything.

I'm not saying heroin is a white ball of healing light - it's a strong, dangerous drug. I'm not going to step into an area of moralizing where I say it's the devil or poison or anything.

This attitude is so common with a lot of stoners I know - they can spend a large amount of their income on weed, but any regular user of "hard" drugs is crap and trash to be avoided.

You shouldn't have to have a positive view of heroin or heroin users. I just think it would be more appropriate to take a more mature outlook on the whole issue, and avoid the rabid anti-drug "dealers should be shot on sight philosophy". Some people think this way about weed and psychedelics, and I wouldn't want to label myself as one of them.

Oh, and PLUR.
 
Bunny-I think that you may have misread SD's thoughts on what he feels is a deserving fate for an H dealer. SD said that someone dealing H to a minor should be taken to the woodshed and turned to fertalizer. With that, I agree. I have a 14 year old sister. She is VERY mature for her age, and has a great head on her shoulders, but a 20 something dealer can be very pursuasive, and a young person could easily be manipulated in to doing something they shouldn't. If someone is 18 or older (I think out of HS is a good time mark)....then it is more of a choice the vast majority of the time. As for SD--I agree, H can kill, and ruin lives. But some people can use responsibly. I am sorry for the friends you have lost. But, as it seems you know, preaching to these girls will not help. It seems that what you have either said/want to say, could have the same effects as DARE, and other BS government slander on drugs. Take this example from the perspective of your 17 year old friend: "SD says that heroin will kill me and totally change me, and ruin me for sure....but I have known Bob since I was 5....and Bob does heroin all the time, but is still the same person....AND I know sue...sue uses H occasionally and has never been hooked and has a great life......so SD is totally wrong, about H taking someone's personality and life away in the blink of an eye....therefore, he is totally wrong about everything he says about H...he must not know what he's talking about".......Does that make sense? You need to be more open minded and go with the ideollogy of "Hun, this stuff CAN do this to you" (to which they, as everyone who does it will reply, "oh it wont happen to me")....and you just need to show her that everyone thinks that it wont happen to them, AND that it does it slowly. IF possible introduce her to some people who are strung out on H. If she is just snorting, make sure she doesn't cross over to IVing (I have seen maybe 1 out of 50 people who shoot H up, end up okay, while i have seen many snorters beat it, and do alright)......if you want a good line for that I use this one: Snorting takes 3-5 minutes to kick in.....shooting takes maybe 10 seconds. If she can't wait the extra 3 or 4 minutes to feel the effects, then it proves the drug already controls her. (I know, the rush is better, but this line has been used by myself to open a lot of eyes)

THE KING
 
Don't get too high up on your horse there. Heroin is a terrible drug, but at the same time I've seen several friends ruined by hallucinogens. Heroin may change your personality, but once you're off it you can return to being semi-functional. If you start taking acid on a daily basis there is no coming back. I've watched people do it and even after several clean years that far away look remains in their eyes. The heroin users, on the other hand, have returned to a functional existance.

I'll agree with CMB. Too often people close their eyes to the dangers of the drugs they do in order to frown upon the use of others.
 
Let people make there own decisions. Oh, and for the record, smoking weed and eating shrooms is NO better then using heroin, buddy.
 
im not gonna preach or bitch about the dangers of it anymore to those girls. it was their decision to fuck themselves. probly influenced by one of those scumbags i want.

out of, o say, 30 ppl i know or know of, NO ONE HAS USED IT IN MODERATION. maybe it started that way..surely not ended.

as for this
Oh, and for the record, smoking weed and eating shrooms is NO better then using heroin, buddy.
i think most of us can agree this is a bunch of shit.

if u have a terrible shroom trip i mite agree that it could mentally fuk u worse than doing heroin a few times, but u would be nothing like a heroin addict. did u ever learn something from doing heroin that spiritually changed u? i really fkn doubt it.

i recall from a "trip" report about heroin something like this:

"once the shit hit my system, i knew nothing on earth could give me greater pleasure, not love, not anything"

my guess is heroin users lose pleasure in life cause heroin is the ultimate pleasure for them

yes, ppl can make their own decisions about whether or not to touch the shit. but i know how they work. a teenage girl hates her life. they can "make it better".

maybe i dont have moral ground for killing them, but at least beating them really bad. for the dealers that deal to addicts and older ppl, i dont care much about. but i think they are all scum.

CMB, whats PLUR
 
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Symmetrical Daze said:
...i think most of us can agree this is a bunch of shit....
...CMB, whats PLUR

i think most of us can think and speak for ourselves, thanks.

it's for the individual to draw the line. i agree that some people draw that line in a pretty strange place but it's their line to draw.

PLUR (commonly) stands for peace, love, unity and respect.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
i agree that some people draw that line in a pretty strange place but it's their line to draw.
alasdair
Word.

SD- It seems to me that you are frowning down upon only Heroin but fail to see the dangers in the other drugs. You remind me of one of those DARE kids that occasionally trips on some acid but offer him Heroin and you just committed a sin.
 
i know the dangers of heroin, and its true that doing it occasionally probably isnt that bad. OK I SAID IT. THE PROBLEM IS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE USE IT "OCCASIOANALLY", IT JUST STARTED THAT WAY. and ive seen lots of ppl fall into this cycle of stealing and looking like shit and doing it a few times a day.


i think most of us can think and speak for ourselves, thanks.
< -Edited for flames.- CMB> u can think weed and shrooms are worse than heroin if u want.

and i bet a lot of heroin users are simply in denial
 
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my apologies for the flames, not to the people, to bluelight.

i admit i may be directing my anger here because of all the bad stuff i have seen associated with this drug. i also want to help ppl stay away from it. maybe some rare ppl can control the use but not in this shit town.
 
Most of the heroin addicts I've known over the years have had a lot of problems before they got themselves addicted to heroin. It's not like these people weren't unemployed or underemployed or living on their friend's couch before they started using.

If someone has a steady, well-paying job and a place to live, that takes a lot of the hurt out of addiction. Addiction isn't always something that lands you face down in the gutter.
 
the problem here there isnt much to do (activities). people turn to drugs in boredom therefore it is harder to stop the addiction. Stopping the addiction would result in boredom and depression. Thats just the psychological addiction. theres physical as well.
 
Symmetrical Daze said:
my apologies for the flames, not to the people, to bluelight.

bluelight is its people.

you are approaching these posts in an extremely emotional manner. it's obvious that people you care for - and perhaps you yourself - have been hurt by this drug.

let's keep the dialog constructive and focused on harm reduction? talk of beating up dealers and such, won't help. it might make you feel better to vent but that's not why bluelight is here for you.

regards

alasdair
 
bluelight is its people.
i dont apologize to the specific people i was directing the flames to.

i never been hurt by the drug or tried it cause i was smart.
 
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Symmetrical Daze said:
i dont apologize to the specific people i was directing the flames to.

i never been hurt by the drug or tried it cause i was smart.

i've sent you a PM on this - any further discussion on my part would drag this off-topic.

alasdair
 
diatribe said:
Oh, and for the record, smoking weed and eating shrooms is NO better then using heroin, buddy.

Thats the biggest load of bs I've ever heard! Shrooms maybe, but weed is in a totally different category to heroin!

With weed at worst u can get a few fucked up mood swings and waste abit of cash...with heroin you can ruin ur entire fucking life!

8)
 
No, H is a wonderful thing sent from God for our world... well for me anyway.

The evilest fucking bastard (and one day i'm going too burn his house down or something) i know, is addicted to heroin and it's ruining his life.

I'm hoping it will kill him off soon. H continues to kill off all the scum in our area...

Too any good people who get caught up in the drug; you have my apologies.
 
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