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Gun Pulled & Man Maced As Neo-Nazi Protestors Surround Family Drag Storytime Event

I understand completely. With respect, you're failing to understand my point.

I don't know how to express it differently, so I'll repeat myself once but I'm not going to dance around in circles with you.

When people have said they think it's a non-issue, they have clarified throughout the discussion that they wouldn't want children to attend a sexualized show... So if it's not possible for the shows to not be sexualized (according to you), then - by definition - everybody agrees.

Understand?
 
People obviously think that it is possible for drag shows to not be sexual otherwise they wouldn’t need to specify in that manner would they….
 
But you know better.
It's not possible, right?

You don't think children should go to sexualized performances.
Everybody in the thread agrees with you.

We are all in sync. ;)
 
I agree a drag show is sexual. But is it sexual for a man dressed in womens' clothing and makeup to read books to children in the exact same way that a man dressed normally would read books to children? That's not a drag show, that's someone dressed abnormally.
 
Xorkoth said:
I agree a drag show is sexual. But is it sexual for a man dressed in womens' clothing and makeup to read books to children in the exact same way that a man dressed normally would read books to children? That's not a drag show, that's someone dressed abnormally.
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but why? Why are we taking drag queens out of night clubs and having them read to children? Why are so many people jumping over so many mental hurdles to justify it? They aren't trans, so it's not about trans rights or visibility. Average Trans Person Story Hour doesn't quite have the same ring to it does it... yes, actual transphobes would still be against that, but it would be a tiny minority and they'd easily be written off as bigots.

I think the explanation is pretty simple. Young people are constantly looking to be on the cutting edge of things, especially young progressives. They think, "conservatives, terfs, and all the other normies really hate this, so I have to be very supportive of it!!". If they don't adopt the most progressive view, they lose social credit. The next generation up (millennials, people our age) are still concerned with their social credit too and want to do all they can to appeal to gen z. So many of them join right in without fully thinking out the consequences.

So most of it can be written off as (mostly) harmless virtue signaling. But I do think some very bad people are latching on to all this under the guise of progressivism. And the longer we sane, rational people entertain these ridiculous ideas, the closer and closer we creep closer to normalizing a societal set of values that is very dangerous to children. Maybe nothing is very different for my niece but what about her children? What about after that?

If right now in 2023 everyone says yeah, you know what? Let the drag queens be around children. Puberty blockers are safe and reversible, let's allow 10 year olds to start making these serious medical decisions for themselves. That's a slippery slope. And it's not the same type of argument that was used by opponents of gay marriage.

Marriage is something that has many social and economic ramifications between consenting adults. That's very different than society suddenly making these seismic changes regarding a child's ability to make informed decisions on their own. Not to mention the psychological impact of being inundated with all these sexual-adjacent themes from the time they can hold cell phone.

What does being a "child" mean 100 years from now? Are they more safe, or less? Do they even exist, or has the idea that adults should band together to protect the innocence of kids vanished completely?
 
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Xorkoth said:
I agree a drag show is sexual. But is it sexual for a man dressed in womens' clothing and makeup to read books to children in the exact same way that a man dressed normally would read books to children? That's not a drag show, that's someone dressed abnormally.
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It's not a sexual context, true. But it does seem like an odd way to push for LGBTQ inclusion or to teach kids about gender diversity, by having a man dressed as what is essentially a highly sexualised caricature of women. I'm really not sure what it teaches kids.

Libraries are highly female dominated, staff wise, at least in Australia. Having a man dressed as a man doing storytime would be more informative and revelatory. But it doesn't carry the same political statement which is what a lot of this is about. I kinda respect it- I'm inclined to do whatever it is a bunch of actual nazis are against, but I think we should all feel pretty shitty that kids are being used to make any political statement at all.

For me, I don't think the drag storytimes are appropriate but I also think Libraries should be allowed to run whatever events they think are valuable. I also think its fine for people, including bigots, to protest this stuff.
 
Let me just say that I agree that it makes no sense. I don't understand what the purpose of having drag queens reading to children is. I think the entire thing has been conflated in a weird way. It would make more sense to me if we had, say, Timothy, a person born female who has had hormones and is now presenting as a man, read books to kids. Although, even then, it's a little weird. Drag queens are not the same thing as transgender people.

I have to admit it concerns me a little bit how many young people are proclaiming themselves trans. You'd have a hard time convincing me that some of that isn't similar to how when I was 14, I decided I was gonna be goth, and changed the way I dressed and presented myself, so I could feel cool and hip. Which is fine, it's whatever, until hormones and surgery start coming into the picture.

So, that said, I was literally just trying to say that a man dressed in womens' clothing is not inherently sexual.
 
Xorkoth said:
I have to admit it concerns me a little bit how many young people are proclaiming themselves trans.
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It’s a fad, it’s just the latest way for disaffected people to try and find an identity. Of course gender dysphoria is a real thing but social contagion is obviously responsible for the current explosion in numbers that we are seeing.




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Xorkoth said:
So, that said, I was literally just trying to say that a man dressed in womens' clothing is not inherently sexual.
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Agreed, and apologies if I took you out of context at all ❤️

It's strange that libraries have become one of the many front lines of the culture war. I'd be curious to see what others think the reason for this is. Working at one has not afforded me much insight.
 
swilow said:
Libraries are highly female dominated, staff wise, at least in Australia. Having a man dressed as a man doing storytime would be more informative and revelatory. But it doesn't carry the same political statement which is what a lot of this is about. I kinda respect it- I'm inclined to do whatever it is a bunch of actual nazis are against, but I think we should all feel pretty shitty that kids are being used to make any political statement at all.
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well if the intention is also to teach them about diversity in the human experience, is it so bad that it might also be a political statement?

I personally am also not really interested in this drag storytime thing, manly because I find over the top makeup and "female" clothing really not that desireable, no matter the gender or sex of the person putting it on. Being over the top "sexy" is a product of male dominance over women after all, at least imo. (I guess I'm still a dirty hippie at heart ;) ). My son is too young still to attend any kind of show, but this wouldn't be high on the list to take him to eventually. But acting like this is an outrage and downfall of our civilization almost is just playing into divide and conquer rhetoric of those who want to distract from the real social problems. Might there be some "bad apples" within this, as shown by some crass examples in the thread? maybe. But where are all the accounts of people who actually attended an event like this and felt that it was way too inappropriate for their children?
 
Bagseed said:
well if the intention is also to teach them about diversity in the human experience, is it so bad that it might also be a political statement?

I personally am also not really interested in this drag storytime thing, manly because I find over the top makeup and "female" clothing really not that desireable, no matter the gender or sex of the person putting it on. Being over the top "sexy" is a product of male dominance over women after all, at least imo. (I guess I'm still a dirty hippie at heart ;) ). My son is too young still to attend any kind of show, but this wouldn't be high on the list to take him to eventually. But acting like this is an outrage and downfall of our civilization almost is just playing into divide and conquer rhetoric of those who want to distract from the real social problems. Might there be some "bad apples" within this, as shown by some crass examples in the thread? maybe. But where are all the accounts of people who actually attended an event like this and felt that it was way too inappropriate for their children?
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I'm nervous of all ideologies tbh. They are everywhere these days, and infecting institutions that should ideally be unbiased repositories of information seems like a disservice. Plus I think we should just let kids be kids and try and protect them from the messiness of the adult world and its confusion where we can. Storytimes should just be a person doing that ancient thing of telling a tale to wide-eyed little ones. Can't we just let them have that?

I agree that it's not a disastrous thing or even close to the top thousand biggest problems humanity faces. The whole groomer bullshit of the right is just their version of the left calling everyone a nazi. But its a symptom of a growing and potentially catastrophic problem, the creep of uncompromising ideology into what is otherwise innocent and sweet. That is certainly intentional and strategic but it feels misguided to me and kinda sad.
 
this is good.

anyone have a video to see how violent and indecent the content of one of those events can get? that way we can aAALLLL be angry about it together when it turns out that they... they uh... yeah like they are certainly saying explicit and awful adult things to these kids, right? they must be... or else why the outrage?

link, please

@arrall
 
I honestly don't see how men dressed in drag are more sexual than how a lot of women dress, which I don't see men complaining about.

If a woman with exposed cleavage and a short skirt read a story to kids, would there be any outrage?
 
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